Do you know: what is the significance of Mark 14:51-52?

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Mezame83 said:
I remember listening to a brief teaching by Rick Renner on this. I'll post a video so you can check it out...

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Oh WOW, this is soooo exciting and wonderful. This is another verse I didn't really "see" when I read this passage so many many times in my life! John 18:6 "When Jesus said, "I am He" they drew back and fell to the ground."

After I watched this short video, I looked up Rick Renner ministries and bookmarked his website.

Oh, I do get distracted, but there is so much to learn!
 
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Wrong post sorry
 
JamOn

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Mezame83 said:
I remember listening to a brief teaching by Rick Renner on this. I'll post a video so you can check it out...

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Interesting take though he says young boy though the scripture says young man both are different, and I’m not so sure about the buried naked thing, All indication points to the opposite to Jews bury the dead naked.

I’ve read this.

The dead, therefore, had a right to ceremonial care. As soon as a person was dead, his eyes were to be closed, he was to be kissed with love, and his body was to be washed (Genesis 50:1; Acts 9:37). In this washing, the body was anointed with perfumes. Nard was the most usual of these, but myrrh and aloes were also used.

By the time of Christ, the custom was that the body was elaborately wrapped in a shroud and the face was covered with a special cloth called a sudarium. The hands and feet were tied with strips of cloth.

http://blog.adw.org/2014/08/what-were-the-rituals-associated-with-death-and-burial-in-jesus-day/
 
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JamOn said:
[…]and I’m not so sure about the buried naked thing, All indication points to the opposite to Jews bury the dead naked.

I’ve read this. […]
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I think he (the speaker in the video) meant buried in the "linen [burial] cloth" naked (as in, no additional clothing).


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oh, and I meant to add... as far as the "flee" part goes, I don't think it was because he "forsook" as the others in the previous verse... I think it's placed in this following verse in such a way as to show a contrast to those... and there are a number of verses in scripture that show "flee" to have been a good and right thing to do (in certain circumstances): like, Matt2:13, 10:23, 24:16 [Mk13:14; Lk21:21 this one about the 70ad events], Heb11:34, Rev12:6... and a related word in Lk21:36 (I mentioned in my previous post) as well as in 2Cor11:33 (about Paul having "escaped out of his hand")
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
I think he (the speaker in the video) meant buried in the "linen [burial] cloth" naked (as in, no additional clothing).


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oh, and I meant to add... as far as the "flee" part goes, I don't think it was because he "forsook" as the others in the previous verse... I think it's placed in this following verse in such a way as to show a contrast to those... and there are a number of verses in scripture that show "flee" to have been a good and right thing to do (in certain circumstances): like, Matt2:13, 10:23, 24:16 [Mk13:14; Lk21:21 this one about the 70ad events], Heb11:34, Rev12:6... and a related word in Lk21:36 (I mentioned in my previous post) as well as in 2Cor11:33 (about Paul having "escaped out of his hand")
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well I assume since even the poor I guess had some kind of wrapping, I don’t know if Lazarus was rich but he was clothed, the widows son Jesus raised from the dead probably was wearing a linen cloth. to think to say a accidental resurrection seems a little odd. as well as why he believes it was a kid a boy and not a 20 yr old, I read it as young man.

the fleeing was probably out of fear of the sword.
 
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well I assume since even the poor I guess had some could of wrapping, I don’t know if Lazarus was rich but he was clothed, the widows son Jesus raised from the dead probably was wearing a linen cloth. to think to say a accidental resurrection seems a little odd. as well as why he believes it was a kid a boy and not a 20 yr old, I read it as young man.

the fleeing was probably out of fear of the sword.
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I agree that it's kinda odd to call it [a resurrection] "accidental" lol.

I agree that it means "young man"... Bible Hub says " a young man, youth; a man in his prime (used even of a man of 40)."

And I'm thinking that the "flee" was just due to the "naked" part (when they "laid hold on him") not out of "fear"... one who has already experienced death would naturally be MORE BOLD (IMO) than the others who (in the previous verse) "all forsook him and fled" [for fear of being killed] (I see differing motivations, here). I think the wording of "and there followed him" (placed after the "and they all forsook him and fled") means, presently... "and there FOLLOWED Him" (meaning, in this setting)... as in, a more bold action than that of the others. (And if I'm correct about this being the same one as "that other disciple" in John 20, then this person would have also gone all the way to the Cross with Him [and took His mother unto his own home], whereas Peter "followed Him afar off" and then denied Him also [in that context])
 
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JamOn said:
...the fleeing was probably out of fear of the sword.
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This incident is being blown out of proportion and being made the subject of all kinds of speculation.

1. This young man is not named. People can speculate all they want.
2. It is obvious that he was a disciple of Christ.
3. It is obvious that among the enemies of Christ and His disciples there were some violent young men who could have done him harm.
4. It is obvious that he became fearful for his life and fled capture.
5. It appears that his enemies grabbed his clothing, and he took off.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
This incident is being blown out of proportion and being made the subject of all kinds of speculation.

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3. It is obvious that among the enemies of Christ and His disciples there were some violent young men who could have done him harm.
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Well, yes... the context IS Jesus' arrest (vv.42-49,53)
 
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JamOn said:
Interesting take though he says young boy though the scripture says young man both are different, and I’m not so sure about the buried naked thing, All indication points to the opposite to Jews bury the dead naked.

I’ve read this.

The dead, therefore, had a right to ceremonial care. As soon as a person was dead, his eyes were to be closed, he was to be kissed with love, and his body was to be washed (Genesis 50:1; Acts 9:37). In this washing, the body was anointed with perfumes. Nard was the most usual of these, but myrrh and aloes were also used.

By the time of Christ, the custom was that the body was elaborately wrapped in a shroud and the face was covered with a special cloth called a sudarium. The hands and feet were tied with strips of cloth.

http://blog.adw.org/2014/08/what-were-the-rituals-associated-with-death-and-burial-in-jesus-day/
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I would agree. I am not sure if the parable is representing the boy was raised from the dead. It would seem to more a separation from the righteousness of Christ. . . . self righteous..Its what he was calling those who took him a way. .

Like Jerimiah's dirty priestly linen clothing used to represent filthy rags , first stuck the dirty underwear in a cave to represent death, decay again as that which was used to represent the unrighteousness of men without Christ. Then was told to take it out and use it metaphor as a filthy rag so show it was profitable for nothing.

There would seem to be 2 kinds of parables using righteousness. One that shows mankind is united with the righteousness of Christ as well as some that are used to show the opposite. Like the parable in Daniel with four walking in the fire cleansed by his righteous as the son of man .. or another, poisoning of the water Jeremiah 9 to show false doctrines of unrighteousness

The stage is set all of have deserted the righteousness of Christ in exchange for a righteousness of their own as filthy rags

Mark 14:50-53 And they all forsook him, and fled. And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked. And they led Jesus away to the high priest: and with him were assembled all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes.

Jeremiah 13 King James Version (KJV)Thus saith the Lord unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water. So I got a girdle according to the word of the Lord, and put it on my loins.And the word of the Lord came unto me the second time, saying, Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock.So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the Lord commanded me.And it came to pass after many days, that the Lord said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there.Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,Thus saith the Lord, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem. This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
This incident is being blown out of proportion and being made the subject of all kinds of speculation.

1. This young man is not named. People can speculate all they want.
2. It is obvious that he was a disciple of Christ.
3. It is obvious that among the enemies of Christ and His disciples there were some violent young men who could have done him harm.
4. It is obvious that he became fearful for his life and fled capture.
5. It appears that his enemies grabbed his clothing, and he took off.
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Hmm on number 2 how is it obvious, he might not have known Jesus and was just following, maybe to get to know him
 
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JamOn said:
Hmm on number 2 how is it obvious, he might not have known Jesus and was just following, maybe to get to know him
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Under those circumstances and at that time there were no idle curiosity seekers.
 
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