Do you believe I will never be of God's elect if I don't worship your view of God?

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daisyseesthesun

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He has told the whole world, frankly, the truth that he is God. If it were a secret not known by many, he wouldn't be God of the universe, but because he is God, everyone knows he exists. He has made it known to all the nations through Jesus Christ his son and, our Savior.

anyone that seeks him will find him everything Our Father has said is true and right, and he keeps all his promises.
 
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He has told the whole world, frankly, the truth that he is God. If it were a secret not known by many, he wouldn't be God of the universe, but because he is God, everyone knows he exists. He has made it known to all the nations through Jesus Christ his son and, our Savior.

anyone that seeks him will find him everything Our Father has said is true and right, and he keeps all his promises.
You are right, only those who don't contradict God have found Him.
 

Magenta

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My view is that I would never be able to believe your view of God without you being able to prove your view of God is right. Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?
You should not worship someone's view of God. Worship God Himself. Do you know Him?
 

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How do you know your view of God is correct? Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?
That is a fair question.

In scripture, one way that God distinguishes himself from other gods is the following.

Isa 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Through prophecy, or by repeatedly foretelling of future events before they happen, the God of the Bible proves himself to be the one true God. Were you to read the Bible, and were you to properly understand Bible prophecy, then you would see that God has consistently been accurately foretelling the future. This is one way that we can know that the God of the Bible truly is God.
 

Magenta

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That is a fair question.

In scripture, one way that God distinguishes himself from other gods is the following.

Isa 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Through prophecy, or by repeatedly foretelling of future events before they happen, the God of the Bible proves himself to be the one true God. Were you to read the Bible, and were you to properly understand Bible prophecy, then you would see that God has consistently been accurately foretelling the future. This is one way that we can know that the God of the Bible truly is God.

Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'
:)
 

Roughsoul1991

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How do you know your view of God is correct? Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?
Here are some questions that can help you start this truth-seeking journey.

1. Does truth exist
2. Does God exist
3. Are miracles possible
4. Is the Biblical New Testament reliable?

1. Unfortunately we have to start here because some nowadays try to teach relativism. The laws of logic with the law of non-contradiction are self-evident that truth exists due to many examples but a great start would be within mathematics. Either 2+2=4 or not.

2. Evidence for God can be found in creation (space, time, matter), the historical nature of worship, Fine-tuning data for life to exist, Intelligent design (ID) science, the reality that the majority of mankind believes in a higher power deserves some attention as well.

3. A miracle is defined as a supernatural event. A beyond nature or an event that defies that natural order of laws. The best evidence for this is the creation event, fulfilled prophecy, and the life of Jesus.

• creation proves that it took something supernatural before space, time, and matter (natural).
•fulfilled prophecy is really strong evidence when taken into account that we have ancient Biblical manuscripts dating before historical events that prove the prophecies to have been fulfilled in exact accuracy. Especially those that point to Jesus being the Messiah and dying on the cross.
• The life of Jesus is more historically known than that of someone like Gaius Julius Caesar. We have multiple recorded eyewitness accounts including an account written by a grade A historian Luke. We have secular accounts that speak on who Jesus was and even one account records the earthquake and darkness that occurred after Jesus died. Then we have the Roman upheaval and change in burial practices that seem to suggest they did not want another Jesus event. Then you have the history of the disciples and the impact of the Early Church who never gained wealth, power, or fame but most to die horrible deaths. That at least proves they all not only believed that they saw the risen Christ but they were willing to die for it. Then you have the divide between A.D. and B.C. to not only designate the start of a new era with Christ but to make a literal pivotal moment in history. A perfect timing for Christ to arrive as transportation, writing equipment, relatively freedom of religion under the Romans, relatively forced peace under the Romans, the Greek alphabet had come to a point of being supreme and well used, the Greek language had almost become universal, and much more that all came into perfect timing for the Messiah to arrive to birth the church.

4. Is the Biblical New Testament reliable?

Now here is where you get into the evidence of manuscripts, the methods of canonization, the methods of translation, hermeneutics, historical evidence, archeological evidence, the train of custody to Jesus-Apostles-Apostle's disciples- and then those who came after, early church father's writings, secular sources about the early church testify to New Testament accuracy, geography testifies to the events recorded, the lives of rulers, dates, times, events, and places testify to very delicate transcriptions of events.

This is just a small bit of info that only scratches the surface. To fast-track it all, you could start with Jesus because Jesus not only claimed to be the incarnation of God but He also claimed to be the only way to Heaven. So if all the circumstantial evidence doesn't point to Jesus being who He said He was, then our faith is futile but if the evidence points to the truth then that also testifies to the truth of the Old Testament since Jesus taught from the OT and never mentioned that the OT had been corrupted. He did address the religious elite's corruption but not the OT itself.

Anyway, this is becoming a long post. Hope this helps. Seek and you shall find.
 

ResidentAlien

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How do you know your view of God is correct? Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?
You don't have to worship the same as me and it would be folly to try and convince you to do otherwise. The Lord revealed the truth to me by His Holy Spirit. That's the only way to truly know Him, in Spirit and in truth. Hopefully He'll do the same for you some day; I pray He will.

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;" John 6:44
 

GWH

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It's not "our" view but by Gods own Holy words.
2Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God maybe complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work"
Yes, and here is a compilation of Scripture regarding God's "view" or requirement for salvation:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
Proof? No. Best belief? Yes, IMO.
 

Blade

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How do you know your view of God is correct? Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?
Well for me I know because its written John 3:16/Rom 10:9-10. Christ came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is seated at the right hand of the Father the only way to the Father. There is no other way in.

This is written it is not my view. For those that some to God must first believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that seek Him. In truth no offense I don't like playing these games.
 

Gideon300

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How do you know your view of God is correct? Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?
As many have said, the only authority to accept is God's word. Don't worship a view of God. Come to know God through faith in Jesus and worship God Himself.
 

Karlon

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How do you know your view of God is correct? Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?
no one should ever worship "a person's" view of God. God has given us the ability to read & understand His word. study & learn verses 2nd Timothy 2::7 & 15, 2nd Timothy 3:16,17, 2nd Peter 1:20,21, Hebrews 8:10, "........I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS & MINDS......", Proverbs 30:6, Psalm 19:7, John 14:26, 16:13, these last 2 especially.
 
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no one should ever worship "a person's" view of God. God has given us the ability to read & understand His word. study & learn verses 2nd Timothy 2::7 & 15, 2nd Timothy 3:16,17, 2nd Peter 1:20,21, Hebrews 8:10, "........I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS & MINDS......", Proverbs 30:6, Psalm 19:7, John 14:26, 16:13, these last 2 especially.
Most people I know worship a view of God of their own choosing instead of the God of the Bible.
 
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Roman 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;