Do You Believe Aliens May Exist In The Universe?
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There is other life in separate worlds/dimensions/realities. We, humans, do not belong there in their reality any more than they belong here in ours. This is my opinion anyway.
There's a problem with these ideas. The Bible makes it clear that God created everything else (John 1:3). It says that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay (Romans 8:21). It also says that Jesus died once for all (Romans 6:10). All of creation was affected by sin; all of creation is affected by redemption in Christ. Christ only died once, not once on each planet.
It appears that you both may have built your views on the foundation of science fiction. There are certainly some interesting and engaging ideas in that realm of literature, but it is fiction. The Bible is not fiction.
There is other life in separate worlds/dimensions/realities. We, humans, do not belong there in their reality any more than they belong here in ours. This is my opinion anyway.
There's a problem with these ideas. The Bible makes it clear that God created everything else (John 1:3). It says that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay (Romans 8:21). It also says that Jesus died once for all (Romans 6:10). All of creation was affected by sin; all of creation is affected by redemption in Christ. Christ only died once, not once on each planet.
It appears that you both may have built your views on the foundation of science fiction. There are certainly some interesting and engaging ideas in that realm of literature, but it is fiction. The Bible is not fiction.
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I simply asked because I don't know everything about you and what you believe on all subjects. So, instead of assuming, it's always good to ask the person.
I will say, of all the people I've encountered on CC so far, your theology and mine are virtually identical.
I will say, of all the people I've encountered on CC so far, your theology and mine are virtually identical.
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So you are agreeing with creation? I agree languages have common origins. It is also interesting that older languages, like Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Latin in the west, are much more complex, that modern langagues. English is a good example of a language that has been dummied down. No gender, or cases, simpler languages and verbal patterns. Hebrew has an extremely complicated verbal system.
So, it sounds to me like you are promoting devolution. In other words, God created people, language in a perfect form, and since the fall, everything is just falling apart. Change within species is always for the worst. Mutations are fatal, or at least unhelpful. There really is no scientific mechanism for change that could account for any of the major deviations or differences between species, because mutations, no matter how much time, simply do not create an eye, a woodpeckers structured brain, a liver, or why fish have gills and mammals and reptiles have lungs!
But, I digress.
So, it sounds to me like you are promoting devolution. In other words, God created people, language in a perfect form, and since the fall, everything is just falling apart. Change within species is always for the worst. Mutations are fatal, or at least unhelpful. There really is no scientific mechanism for change that could account for any of the major deviations or differences between species, because mutations, no matter how much time, simply do not create an eye, a woodpeckers structured brain, a liver, or why fish have gills and mammals and reptiles have lungs!
But, I digress.
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I have my belief because, one, I had a dream of a heaven made for the strangest of creatures but it was made clear, 'humans do not belong'; two, the bible talks about heaven in the singular and heavens in the plural. The other thing is, how do we not know that all the 'ancient Aliens' aren't fallen angels?. I don't think we will testifying to them but, we might judge some of them...
******Genesis 1:1 says, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. This implies that He created the universe. We don’t know what He created or didn’t create in other parts of the universe, yet, anyway, including the possibility of life.
So yes, I think it's possible God created other beings in the universe.
So yes, I think it's possible God created other beings in the universe.
I should probably restate - I don't believe life just formed out of nothing "because it could" - it was created by some divine force. I guess in that respect, I'm definitely not an "evolutionist". That said, I don't believe in a literal Genesis with respect to creation (every culture has it's creation myths; Genesis is just the Hebrew version); God/a Supreme Being created life (as I believe said deity definitely did), but from that original life, other life evolved (including humans).
Languages was not the best analogy because, as you pointed out, languages tend to become more simple over time. English is a great example as it's lost most of its historic 'grammar'. For example, few people know (or care) that "whom" is an old Dative 'whose" is an old Genitive for the old Nominative 'who'.
No, 'devolution' is definitely not what I'm promoting (I'm not trying to promote anything actually). I'm not really sure what exactly you'd call it - the best I can explain it is sort of like a clockmaker - you make the clock, set the pendulum in motion, and let it go by itself to more or less do what it will. Every once in a while though, it needs to be tweaked or adjusted by the clockmaker. Again, not the best way to put it, but sort of something like that.
I appreciate you redefining what you believe, although I do not agree with the clockmaker analogy, of course. The clock maker analogy is used by deists, who believe in some remote divine force set the world in motion, and then walked away. But he does (according to your metaphor) have some kind of warning system in place, if things are on the verge of collapsing, so he can come back and set things right?
The biggest problem with your concept, that I can see, is that it leaves no room for Jesus. Jesus was prophecied in Genesis 3: 15:
"15 And I will put hostility between you and the woman
and between your offspring and her offspring;
her offspring will attack your head,
and you will attack her offspring’s heel.” Genesis 3;15
So, if no special creation, no Adam and Eve, no Fall = no Jesus, prophecied at the beginning of time.
PS. I had a very "British" education, in Canada. One thing I never learned was the proper use of whom. When I took Greek, I began to suspect it had to do with cases. When I took German, I finally figured out it was used with the Dative case. Nothing like knowing other languages to help confused English. I doubt that word will be part of English in 20 or 30 years. Just because so few people use it anymore, because they are not taught to use it properly. And partly because cases are not taught. Just direct object and indirect object. Where I was educated, anyway!
The biggest problem with your concept, that I can see, is that it leaves no room for Jesus. Jesus was prophecied in Genesis 3: 15:
"15 And I will put hostility between you and the woman
and between your offspring and her offspring;
her offspring will attack your head,
and you will attack her offspring’s heel.” Genesis 3;15
So, if no special creation, no Adam and Eve, no Fall = no Jesus, prophecied at the beginning of time.
PS. I had a very "British" education, in Canada. One thing I never learned was the proper use of whom. When I took Greek, I began to suspect it had to do with cases. When I took German, I finally figured out it was used with the Dative case. Nothing like knowing other languages to help confused English. I doubt that word will be part of English in 20 or 30 years. Just because so few people use it anymore, because they are not taught to use it properly. And partly because cases are not taught. Just direct object and indirect object. Where I was educated, anyway!
Like I said, not the best way to define it - the clockmaker would/could tweak it whenever he wanted; not just when things start taking turn for the worse.
I don't see the Genesis quote as having anything to do with predicting Jesus. I see it as a metaphor/analogy just stating the 'origin', if you will, of discord and war between the different nations of people.
LOL - I know what you mean about 'whom' - I had a parochial education where its proper use was drilled into us. Yeah, same here - it took foreign languages to make me see that these were just vestigial elements of an older form of the language. I really shudder to think what English (at least her win the US) will look like in 100 years. I sort of envision "texting English".
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I don't believe that God created physical life on other worlds. I am convinced that THIS PLANET EARTH is the ONLY world on which physical life was CREATED. Now THAT being said, I believe that planet earth is the CRADLE of physical life... HOWEVER... does one necessarily remain in the "CRADLE" forever!?
The sci-fi writer Issac Asimov did a whole "Foundatin and Empire" novel series that depicted a massive space federation of several thousand worlds. In this federation there were vague hints and rumors and legends of a FOUNDATION world (Earth) from which all the space-faring civilizations originally had their genesis, and the novel deals with the search by some for this genesis planet. Sort of an interesting series of books in my opinion. I'm surprised that they have not made a movie or movies based on Asimov's "Foundation" books yet.
There ARE some biblical scriptures that make one wonder, such as those in this link ... http://pages.suddenlink.net/anomalousimages/images/text/omega40.htm
There are many stories of ancient societies who got together into closed fraternal communities and seperated themselves from the "ignorant heathen" on the "outside". These exclusive societies, according to the stories and legends, continued to develop their technoogy and sciences in secret, and were able to develop craft capable of leaving planet earth ( here is just ONE example of such a society<s>: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/10466.html ).
Also the Bible codes seem to speak of this extraterrestrial scenario...
http://radio.rumormillnews.com/podcast/2010/10/19/sherryshriner/
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The sci-fi writer Issac Asimov did a whole "Foundatin and Empire" novel series that depicted a massive space federation of several thousand worlds. In this federation there were vague hints and rumors and legends of a FOUNDATION world (Earth) from which all the space-faring civilizations originally had their genesis, and the novel deals with the search by some for this genesis planet. Sort of an interesting series of books in my opinion. I'm surprised that they have not made a movie or movies based on Asimov's "Foundation" books yet.
There ARE some biblical scriptures that make one wonder, such as those in this link ... http://pages.suddenlink.net/anomalousimages/images/text/omega40.htm
There are many stories of ancient societies who got together into closed fraternal communities and seperated themselves from the "ignorant heathen" on the "outside". These exclusive societies, according to the stories and legends, continued to develop their technoogy and sciences in secret, and were able to develop craft capable of leaving planet earth ( here is just ONE example of such a society<s>: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/10466.html ).
Also the Bible codes seem to speak of this extraterrestrial scenario...
http://radio.rumormillnews.com/podcast/2010/10/19/sherryshriner/
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The Bible talk about God, angel, devil animal human and never talk about alien.
Catholic expert believe alien may exist. I believe it is misinformation to mislead people.
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LITTLE GREEN MEN might shock the secular public. But the Catholic Church would welcome them as brothers.
That's what Vatican chief astronomer and papal science adviser Gabriel Funes explained in a recent article in L'Osservatore Romano, the newsletter of the Vatican Observatory
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https://www.wired.com/2008/06/christian-theologians-prepare-for-extraterrestrial-life/
I believe vatican work for Lucifer, so the fact that he say alien is his brother, tell me that alien is the devil
Catholic expert believe alien may exist. I believe it is misinformation to mislead people.
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LITTLE GREEN MEN might shock the secular public. But the Catholic Church would welcome them as brothers.
That's what Vatican chief astronomer and papal science adviser Gabriel Funes explained in a recent article in L'Osservatore Romano, the newsletter of the Vatican Observatory
End quote
https://www.wired.com/2008/06/christian-theologians-prepare-for-extraterrestrial-life/
I believe vatican work for Lucifer, so the fact that he say alien is his brother, tell me that alien is the devil
I believe that many of the ancient structures like the Pyramids were not built by humans using the primitive tools that
were available to them. I read once that in Japan a one quarter sized copy of the largest Pyramid was built using modern
technology and it took a huge effort to complete it. Some years ago I went to Egypt and went inside the smallest. The
Tour Guide explained to the group how the Egyptians were believed to have used Earth ramps and ropes to lift the stones
into place. I wasn't convinced then and I'm not convinced now. Its possible that they were either built by the Nephilim or
by Extraterrestrials using advanced technology Either way they would be none human.
were available to them. I read once that in Japan a one quarter sized copy of the largest Pyramid was built using modern
technology and it took a huge effort to complete it. Some years ago I went to Egypt and went inside the smallest. The
Tour Guide explained to the group how the Egyptians were believed to have used Earth ramps and ropes to lift the stones
into place. I wasn't convinced then and I'm not convinced now. Its possible that they were either built by the Nephilim or
by Extraterrestrials using advanced technology Either way they would be none human.
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