Do we stress baptism enough?

Pilgrimshope · Apr 1, 2022

Amen like communion , baptism is directly connected to the death and resurrection of Christ .

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
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Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.”

1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-28 ‭KJV‬‬
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“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

mystdancer50 · Apr 3, 2022

peldom10 said:

Show me where Jesus said one had to be baptized to enter the kingdom of Heaven. Show me where the most known Scripture, John 3:16, says you have to be baptized to be saved. Show me where you can justify that anyone not baptized has gone to judgment...including the thief on the cross who was not baptized and went to heaven as Christ promised. What is the statute of limitations? Can you procrastinate a day, a month, a year before baptism and then suddenly you're not saved? How do you determine this? The point in fact is, as I said, that baptism is a good and godly thing, but it is not a required thing. You are not more saved if you're baptized and you're not less saved if you're not baptized. Period.

mystdancer50 · Apr 3, 2022

peldom10 said:

Sorry to see anyone reject God's commandments.

Please tell me what all these mean?;

Baptism is Required

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;

....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

Yes...water and the spirit...we are all born of water...the natural birth of all mankind...and then we are born of fire...the Spirit. This isn't baptism water...Jesus is talking about the second birth...which is why He names two: natural life-giving childbirth (water) and Spirit (fire).

peldom10 · Apr 3, 2022

mystdancer50 said:

Wow...are you speaking of embryonic fluid?...surely not.

Pilgrimshope · Apr 3, 2022

mystdancer50 said:

what does the Bible say water baptism is for ?

peldom10 · Apr 3, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

Start with Acts 2; 38 .....and then google search for many more of the same directions.
If you need help let us know.

Pilgrimshope · Apr 3, 2022

peldom10 said:

well really we can just begin here and see it remain consistent throughout scripture including acts 2 there

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I was wondering if “ embryonic fluids “ offer this 🙂 a bit rhetorical was my question

“And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

peldom10 · Apr 3, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

well really we can just begin here and see it remain consistent throughout scripture including acts 2 there

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I was wondering if “ embryonic fluids “ offer this 🙂 a bit rhetorical was my question

“And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

...and your conclusion is?

I detect it's absence.

Pilgrimshope · Apr 4, 2022

peldom10 said:

what conclusion are you talking about ?

the only difference in what I said and you said is you pointed here and said start here

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all I said was baptisms point began here and hasn’t changed

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you see it’s later effect here as John was preaching to them

“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all that changed is Jesus died and rose and provided the spiritual part where like Peter says “be baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins And you’ll receive the spirit “

like Jesus did and showed for us an example

my conclusion of I were making one would be , we believe this is true

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so we do this by that belief

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

( and Jesus does this part because we’ve acted in faith according to his word me our belief )

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

my conclusion is to at baptism is an act of faith we do , by which Jesus baptizes us with his spirit from heaven as he promised because we believe the gospel or we can receive the spirit and then get baptized for remission either way works

peldom10 · Apr 4, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

what conclusion are you talking about ?

the only difference in what I said and you said is you pointed here and said start here

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all I said was baptisms point began here and hasn’t changed

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you see it’s later effect here as John was preaching to them

“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all that changed is Jesus died and rose and provided the spiritual part where like Peter says “be baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins And you’ll receive the spirit “

like Jesus did and showed for us an example

my conclusion of I were making one would be , we believe this is true

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so we do this by that belief

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

( and Jesus does this part because we’ve acted in faith according to his word me our belief )

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

my conclusion is to at baptism is an act of faith we do , by which Jesus baptizes us with his spirit from heaven as he promised because we believe the gospel or we can receive the spirit and then get baptized for remission either way works

I got it now.

Pilgrimshope · Apr 4, 2022

peldom10 said:

yeah I was just agreeing with you was only saying baptism was the same for all of them

mustaphadrink · Apr 10, 2022

peldom10 said:

You are trying to apply PC as relates to baptism. Can't do.
Baptism is required and thus in need of great emphasis because not being baptized will cost one eternal salvation.

Would you say we should not be pedantic concerning repentance...or living a righteous life ? After all if not done on this earth...there is also the same result....loss of eternal salvation.

I don't know what PC is.

mustaphadrink · Apr 10, 2022

BillG said:

Any of them. Everyone I have watched I have enjoyed.

mustaphadrink · Apr 10, 2022

GRACE_ambassador said:

I am not sure there is any value in relying to a post like this because it is answering questions I never asked.

mustaphadrink · Apr 10, 2022

peldom10 said:

The fact is every denomination has faulty interpretations. Being a denomination is a faulty interpretation so the moment you step inside the building you are encompassing a faulty interpretation. I am surprised that some churches are not named "Faulty Towers."

XavierJesusLovesIndia · Apr 10, 2022

Yes, I believe Water Baptism is for the remission of sins. We receive Salvation by Grace through Faith and in Baptism. By it, we are washed from our sins in the Blood of Christ, and filled with His Spirit. Baptism now saves us, St. Peter says in 1 Pet 3:21. Very Clear.

"Zech 13:1 - The Prophesied Fountain to cleanse from sin and impurity

The Prophet Zechariah declares that God will open up a fountain to cleanse His people from all their sins and impurity: "In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness." (Zech 13:1).

Acts 22:16 - St. Paul bears witness that Baptism washes away sins!

St. Paul the Apostle, recounting his testimony for the Lord, relates that Ananias told him, "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16).

Here, we learn in plain language, that in Baptism, sins are washed away, because of the Name of the Triune Lord, i.e. the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, in which Name, in obedience to Christ the Lord (Mat 28:19), Trinitarian Christians are baptized. If the Name of Jesus has power to heal bodies from sickness, as all believing Christians admit, will not the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost (the only place in the Bible we are commanded to use the One Name of all Three Persons Who are One God) have power to heal souls from sin, which is spiritual sickness?

Certainly, it will; when, in obedience to the Prophet Elisha, Naaman at last (though he did not originally want to, but later overcame his stubborn will, in surrender to God's will made known through the Prophet) admitted he had to be baptized or washed in the Jordan to be cleansed from his leprosy, then and only then he received healing from it. God values obedience and in this way foreshadowed the power of the Water of Baptism, which has efficacy through the Blood of Christ, to heal the soul from sin: "So Naaman went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, according to the word of the man of God, and his flesh was restored and became like that of a little child, and he was clean." (2 Kings 5:14).

Eph 5:26 - The Church is sanctified by the washing of Water and the Word

In this amazing verse, Christians learn that the Church is made holy and cleansed in the Washing of Water and the Word: "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word" (Eph 5:26).

What is the Water? Baptism! What is the Word? The Name of the Holy Trinity! That Name is spoken over the Baptized person, and the Word spoken cleanses the person to be baptized from original sin or personal sin. This debate basically comes down to one thing: can God's Word be taken literally?

If Jesus Christ Our Lord and His Apostles testify to us over and over that "Baptism does also now save us" (1 Pet 3:21) and that it sanctifies us, makes us holy, and cleanses us from sin, as in the above passages, then we have to come to terms with the reality that the Scriptures do indeed teach the same thing as the historical confession of the Apostolic Churches. In the Nicene Creed, all Christians confessed "We confess One Baptism for the remission of sins" and this was universally accepted for centuries."

Mitaze1075 · Apr 10, 2022

Depends on the denomination you attend. I’m in the Churches of Christ and baptism is probably brought up far to much. Sometimes even more than Christ. Some denominations I belonged to in the last, a Wesleyan Methodist congregation, and baptism was almost never brought up and when it did it was very different from how I later learned to understand it through the CoC.

XavierJesusLovesIndia · Apr 11, 2022

I live in India, a predominantly non-Christian country. I feel that stressing the teaching of Acts 22:16, that Baptism washes away sins, that it's like being washed in the Blood of Christ, may be better understood by Non-Christians. Let us see. The Lord was clear that Baptism is an essential part of Full Salvation when He said: "16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mark 16:16 a)

GRACE_ambassador · Apr 11, 2022

XavierJesusLovesIndia said:

Precious friend, thanks for your input.

How is it possible for "Non-christians" to better understand washing when Most "christians" are so thoroughly Confused about the matter? (see # 73).

Also, the Scripture Teaches, about the natural "non christian," This Doctrine:

"The natural man receiveth not The Things Of The Spirit Of God: For They
are foolishness unto him: neither can he know Them, because They Are
Spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)

GRACE And Peace...

XavierJesusLovesIndia · Apr 11, 2022

Hi Grace Ambassador, thanks for the response.

Tit 3:5 speaks of a "Washing of Regeneration". That seems to me to indicate Baptism. Do you interpret it differently? What is the Washing.

"5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,"

Similarly, in John 3:5, Our Lord Jesus Christ specifically mentioned Water, along with the Holy Spirit "5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "

The Lord did not say "or" but "and". It seems to me that Water Baptism is where regeneration normally takes place. See Acts 22:16 also.

God Bless.

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