Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?
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But spiritually It's suddenly,but It should now physically be displayed/cultivated outwardly.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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uh ... no that is not so. the possibility exists, but it is not bestowed as is salvation
what is right now, in the moment and all at once, is our 'position' in Christ, meaning our standing before God
before God, we are perfect as is His Son and sinless.....that is our position and the ONLY reason we can come before God at all
are you able to portray all the fruit of character of Christ? like I said, fruit grows and it grows as we follow Christ and are led by the Spirit of God. Spiritual gifts are another story but they also must be cultivated and not taken for granted or used to advance any single person's standing in a congregation
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I'm saying a genuine believer will have a desire to repent of sins and confess them; but I'm also saying it's necessary for our salvation. I have a feeling that's where your questioning is going so I'll just put it out there. But before you even say it, this is not works-based salvation; it's salvation because we are obedient children.
I'm not saying if we neglect to confess that we "stole" a penny that was laying on the sidewalk we'll lose our salvation. But I am saying if we turn our back on Him, and act like we no longer have to repent of sin, then there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. A one-time prayer of confession and repentance does not cover all sins past, present and future. This is ridiculous and leads a person into all kinds of false teaching.
I'm not saying if we neglect to confess that we "stole" a penny that was laying on the sidewalk we'll lose our salvation. But I am saying if we turn our back on Him, and act like we no longer have to repent of sin, then there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. A one-time prayer of confession and repentance does not cover all sins past, present and future. This is ridiculous and leads a person into all kinds of false teaching.
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If we sin against a brother, were supposed to make amends with them, so I dont se why sinning against God would be any different.
With respect to our salvation- personally I think sin that goes unaddressed in prayer can harden your heart- even if its sin that we overlook and dont know about.
When you pray, pray in this fashion
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name.... you know the rest. Forgive our trespasses as we forgive trespasses against us...
Right? Were supposed to be asking the lord to show us what were doing wrong and help us fix it. I think not doing that can gradually kill your faith. We're supposed to be using our heavenly treasure- faith, and understanding- but if we don't employ that which we have, it can get taken away, and we end up like the servant that gets thrown into the outer darkness.
With respect to our salvation- personally I think sin that goes unaddressed in prayer can harden your heart- even if its sin that we overlook and dont know about.
When you pray, pray in this fashion
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name.... you know the rest. Forgive our trespasses as we forgive trespasses against us...
Right? Were supposed to be asking the lord to show us what were doing wrong and help us fix it. I think not doing that can gradually kill your faith. We're supposed to be using our heavenly treasure- faith, and understanding- but if we don't employ that which we have, it can get taken away, and we end up like the servant that gets thrown into the outer darkness.
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Confession seems like it's about a relationship with God. If we forgiveness of sins could have came through confession rather than a grueling crucifixion then it seems like Jesus suffered unnecessarily.
In short, the crucifixion forgives our sins permanently when we repent we accept that sacrifice in faith. The confession of being a sinner in general and confessing specific sins seems like it's about having a relationship with God.
I think of it like a son may offend his father, but he isn't disowned, his father is just upset. His son should ask for forgiveness and if he doesn't then his father could discipline him. Or maybe he will be disciplined any way.
In short, the crucifixion forgives our sins permanently when we repent we accept that sacrifice in faith. The confession of being a sinner in general and confessing specific sins seems like it's about having a relationship with God.
I think of it like a son may offend his father, but he isn't disowned, his father is just upset. His son should ask for forgiveness and if he doesn't then his father could discipline him. Or maybe he will be disciplined any way.
Do you believe Christ died for our sins as the gospel of your salvation ?
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
For you to be saved you must believe this gospel alone for salvation.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
For you to be saved you must believe this gospel alone for salvation.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
This is the false teaching from Hyper-Grace teachers and it can be very easily refuted.
1. Q. Are the epistles of John written to believers or unbelievers?
A. To believers only. Thus they are called "little children" and "my brethren".
2. Q. How do we know that the first epistle of John is for believers?
A. Only believers can have fellowship with the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and other believers, and the first chapter speaks of this fellowship.
3. Q. Can believers sin after they are saved?
A. Yes they can, and none are sinlessly perfect.
4. Q. Does John tell believers who deny that they sin that they deceive themselves and make God a liar?
A. Absolutely. And that is why they must confess and repent of their present sins.
As you will note, Christian Chat does not encourage Hyper-Grace false teachings.
1. Q. Are the epistles of John written to believers or unbelievers?
A. To believers only. Thus they are called "little children" and "my brethren".
2. Q. How do we know that the first epistle of John is for believers?
A. Only believers can have fellowship with the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and other believers, and the first chapter speaks of this fellowship.
3. Q. Can believers sin after they are saved?
A. Yes they can, and none are sinlessly perfect.
4. Q. Does John tell believers who deny that they sin that they deceive themselves and make God a liar?
A. Absolutely. And that is why they must confess and repent of their present sins.
As you will note, Christian Chat does not encourage Hyper-Grace false teachings.
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I chose other. Because salvation is not the legalistic work of continual seeking of forgiveness. It was paid once and for all.
So seeking forgiveness after salvation has nothing to do with salvation but everything to do with relationship.
It is in the act of repentance and personal acknowledgment that you have strayed away from God. It is you aligning yourself back within the proper connection of a healthy relationship.
So seeking forgiveness after salvation has nothing to do with salvation but everything to do with relationship.
It is in the act of repentance and personal acknowledgment that you have strayed away from God. It is you aligning yourself back within the proper connection of a healthy relationship.
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