Do Jews still believe the Messiah is coming?

[olivetree32]

Jesus fulfilled the OT prophecies to the letter, so as Christians of course we believe the Messiah has already come and now lives as our Redeemer. But I'm wondering whether Jews still believe the Messiah is coming or just what? If so, who are they expecting? What qualities do they believe this person will have?

Hi, most all Jews believe The Messiah is still going to return. That’s why they don’t believe in Jesus. They thought Jesus was just a prophet. This is why they hated him so much. The first 5 books of your bible are torah. Pray for wisdom. Keep seeking the truth.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Would you say turning away from GOD is sin? Yes? ...so then how is that possible after JESUS physically Returns?

How would his physical return make it im-possible?

You want to give up what this entire reality is based on ...Faith for SALVATION.

Not really. I mean, faith would be replaced by sight for those who already believe... but for those who don't already believe, Jesus coming in the clouds with power on high still wouldn't change their minds.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

How would his physical return make it im-possible?

Not really. I mean, faith would be replaced by sight for those who already believe... but for those who don't already believe, Jesus coming in the clouds with power on high still wouldn't change their minds.

If death is done at that point ...so is sin ...they go hand-in-hand.

JESUS already has the keys.

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Revelation 1:18​

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.​

It's almost like you get how ridiculous direct evidence of GOD is for Faith based SALVATION.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

How would his physical return make it im-possible?

Not really. I mean, faith would be replaced by sight for those who already believe... but for those who don't already believe, Jesus coming in the clouds with power on high still wouldn't change their minds.

You want some fantasy world where people get a better shot of SALVATION than us ...do you really think that is what GOD is Planning?

 

[SomeDisciple]

If death is done at that point ...so is sin ...they go hand-in-hand.

I think most pre-millenials think that death is thrown in the lake of fire after the millenial reign.

It's almost like you get how ridiculous direct evidence of GOD is for Faith based SALVATION.

A non-believer can have all the evidence in the world, and it's not going to matter. Jesus' first coming demonstrated that. If someone doesn't want to believe, they're not going to believe.

You want some fantasy world where people get a better shot of SALVATION than us .

No, no one gets a "better shot". Do you think that people alive during Jesus' time had a "better shot" because they could physically see Jesus? Because that is not the story that the Gospels tell.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I think most pre-millenials think that death is thrown in the lake of fire after the millenial reign.

A non-believer can have all the evidence in the world, and it's not going to matter. Jesus' first coming demonstrated that. If someone doesn't want to believe, they're not going to believe.

No, no one gets a "better shot". Do you think that people alive during Jesus' time had a "better shot" because they could physically see Jesus? Because that is not the story that the Gospels tell.

A physical GOD as a King ...uh, yeah, unbelievers would get the hint.

 

[SomeDisciple]

A physical GOD as a King ...uh, yeah, unbelievers would get the hint.

Unbelievers should already be getting the hint. Unbelief is willful, it's not even a matter of evidence. If you want evidence for God, you will find it. If you want evidence of God's non-existence that is what you will find.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Unbelievers should already be getting the hint. Unbelief is willful, it's not even a matter of evidence. If you want evidence for God, you will find it. If you want evidence of God's non-existence that is what you will find.

it's like you have never talked to an atheists a day in your life.

"evidence" is the only thing out of their mouths.

They can't sweep direct evidence away ...this whole idea is just ridiculous

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Unbelievers should already be getting the hint. Unbelief is willful, it's not even a matter of evidence. If you want evidence for God, you will find it. If you want evidence of God's non-existence that is what you will find.

If you want it spelled out to you, the clowning you do with Daniel's 70 Weeks, you will watch this different video of the same guy

 

[ewq1938]

Okay let's go with with your beast king GOD Reigning for a 1000 years. At the end of it you claim satan is released and he can somehow deceive people into thinking they can fight physical GOD ....do you not see the problem here?

Stop pretending that same exact thing is not in your bible.

 

[ewq1938]

If you want it spelled out to you, the clowning you do with Daniel's 70 Weeks, you will watch this different video of the same guy

Most Amills speak with hatred and wickedness and insult after insult. It's rare that an Amill believer is civil and friendly. Most of your posts in this thread have been like that, nasty.

 

[KrisWampler]

If the religious Jews of today truly knew their Scriptures, then they would know that according to their prophet Daniel, the Messiah was supposed to come during the time of Rome's rule. If it was not Jesus of Nazareth, then who?

To the religious Jew: it's not coincidence that the sacrifices have ceased for these last 2,000 years. Messiah came and you missed him, since you did not know your own Scriptures.

The Judaism of today is not the same faith given by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to Moses. During the time of the Babylonian Captivity, it was mingled with aspects of Babylonian mystery religions. This is where the Kabbalah originated.

Most Christians today are woefully ignorant about religious Judaism. Think of it like the corrupt Roman Catholic Church just prior to the Protestant Reformation. The rabbis control the Scriptures and they have buried them with the Talmud - writings of men - which contains curses for any lay person who dares to try to read the Scriptures for themselves. This in violation of God's express command to Joshua that the Jews ought to constantly meditate in the Scriptures and teach them to their children. Religious Judaism absolutely hates Jesus; their writings teach that He was a blasphemer and that He is being boiled alive in human excrement in hell right now. Somehow Christians think we share some kind of brotherhood with religious Jews and we talk about "Judeo-Christian values." These people will excommunicate and disown their own family members if they convert to Christianity.

Modern religious Judaism and the "Zionist" movement attempting to create an earthly kingdom is all Satanic.

And even fewer modern Christians know that the modern "medical" practice of circumcision is an absolute mockery of goyim by the religious Jews. They are laughing at us. We are so controlled that we will mutilate our children's genitalia despite what the Scriptures clearly teach about circumcision - that it is no longer necessary.

During a traditional Jewish circumcision, the wound is cleaned orally. Yes, this is disgusting and illegal, but somehow religious Jews get a free pass. I wonder why. Jewish male children have a high incidence of orally transmitted syphilis due to this practice. God's judgment for a filthy act by a perverted and corrupted religion.

Some of you reading this are going to think I'm crazy, or lying, or whatever. Do your homework then we can talk.

Which verse in Daniel predicts the Messiah in the time of Rome?

 

[JStates]

Which verse in Daniel predicts the Messiah in the time of Rome?

Daniel 2 records Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a statue/image and Daniel's interpretation of the dream. The king sees in his dream a statue with a head of gold, arms and chest of silver, belly and thighs of brass, and legs of iron with feet of iron mixed with clay. Then an Unhewn Stone dashes the statue to pieces and it blows away in the wind, while the Stone becomes a mountain filling the whole Earth.

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

The kingdoms are Babylon, the Medo-Persian empire under Cyrus the Great and Darius the Mede, the Greeks, and Rome. The Unhewn Stone is Jesus Christ. The mountain which fills the whole Earth is the Kingdom of God, initiated by Christ and which will outlast all human empires.

The entire passage is worthy of study, as is the parallel passage of Scripture, Daniel 7, which outlines the last four superpowers before Christ is given Lordship over all things.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Daniel 2 records Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a statue/image and Daniel's interpretation of the dream. The king sees in his dream a statue with a head of gold, arms and chest of silver, belly and thighs of brass, and legs of iron with feet of iron mixed with clay. Then an Unhewn Stone dashes the statue to pieces and it blows away in the wind, while the Stone becomes a mountain filling the whole Earth.

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

The kingdoms are Babylon, the Medo-Persian empire under Cyrus the Great and Darius the Mede, the Greeks, and Rome. The Unhewn Stone is Jesus Christ. The mountain which fills the whole Earth is the Kingdom of God, initiated by Christ and which will outlast all human empires.

The entire passage is worthy of study, as is the parallel passage of Scripture, Daniel 7, which outlines the last four superpowers before Christ is given Lordship over all things.

GOD'S Kingdom is now ...the statue has been destroyed.


Matthew 21:42-44
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

 

[JStates]

GOD'S Kingdom is now ...the statue has been destroyed.


Matthew 21:42-44
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Ah, so you are an amillennialist, then? This present world is what it looks like when Christ reigns on the Earth? Ha!

And what of Christ's words, "My kingdom is not of this world"? I suppose those must be ignored.

In those verses you quote, Christ is speaking about the Jews falling away from God and God's truth, and salvation being extended to the Gentiles (which, by the way, was always God's plan to do).

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Many are blind to JESUS Reigning now because they think there shouldn't be sin or evil during it.
JESUS gave us The Way to The Kingdom. He told us there would be tares in it:

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[JStates]

Many are blind to JESUS Reigning now because they think there shouldn't be sin or evil during it.
JESUS gave us The Way to The Kingdom. He told us there would be tares in it:

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

What then is the harvest Jesus speaks of?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What then is the harvest Jesus speaks of?

The physical Return.


The Throne and Judgment started 2,000 years ago.

Psalm 9:7-9
But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble.

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John 12:30-32
Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Sacrifice and Obligation is over because The Kingdom is in place.

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Premill response:
Sacrifice and Obligation is over because the LORD laid His Life down as a Sacrifice for our sins on the Cross.

Sacrifice and Obligation is over because the LORD fulfilled the Law and HE nailed it to the Cross.

Sacrifice and Obligation is over because on the third day HE rose from the dead.

Sacrifice and Obligation is over because HE ascended back to the Father and is seated at the Right hand of God.

Sacrifice and Obligation is over because HE poured out the Baptism of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

my response:
Great, so why do you try and say Daniel 9:27 is about the antichrist?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Understand that JESUS will never be a beast king with your weird idea of what the Rod of Iron should be.

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