Dietary Law?

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Dietary Law: Yes or No?

  • Yes, Law is still in place

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, I can eat what I want

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .

Hizikyah

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No, but his plan for mankind has changes in it:

setting aside of the Levitical priesthood,
establishment of a new eternal priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
establishment of a new eternal High Priest, Jesus Christ,
setting aside of the sacrificial system,
setting aside of physical circumcision, etc.

Do they mean God changed his mind?

He gave Adam the green herbs to eat, no blood.
He gave Noah more, the herbs and everything that moves, but no blood.
He restricted Israel's diet as part of a peculiar covenant with just those Hebrew tribes (Israel), no blood.
He gave Christians all foods, except blood which has always been prohibited.

The one departure is toward Israel.

The restriction was not a health issue, else he betrayed Noah and all people on earth, and Christians, for whom meats and drinks mean nothing in the flesh or the spirit. The sheet lowered to Peter declares there is nothing unclean to God, even gentiles. It would be unholy of God to give a false vision to teach any doctrine. What he commanded to Israel as prohibited was one of the signs of Israel to the world, circumcision also being a sign.

It can't be rightly said that God called something clean, then unclean, then clean again.
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He knew the end from the beginning, the levites were a placeholder, nothing has been done away, but it has been transferred....

Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

3331. metathesis
Strong's Concordance
metathesis: a change, removal
Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metathesis
Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is)
Short Definition:change, transformation, removal
Definition: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.

For it was written long before it happened:

Psalm 89:26-37, "...My covenant will stand fast with Him...My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie..."
 

john832

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No, but his plan for mankind has changes in it:

setting aside of the Levitical priesthood,
establishment of a new eternal priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
establishment of a new eternal High Priest, Jesus Christ,
setting aside of the sacrificial system,
setting aside of physical circumcision, etc.

Do they mean God changed his mind?

All food is clean (Ge 9:3).
Some food is unclean (Lev).
All food is clean (Ro 14:14; 1Co 8:8, 10:15).

God didn't "change his mind," his plan from before the foundations of the world included changes.
Ah but He did change His mind about the Law?
 
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Elin said:
Word_Swordsman said:
Does God change his mind frequently like men?
No, but his plan for mankind has changes in it:

setting aside of the Levitical priesthood,
establishment of a new eternal priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
establishment of a new eternal High Priest, Jesus Christ,
setting aside of the sacrificial system,
setting aside of physical circumcision, etc.

Do they mean God changed his mind?

All food is clean (Ge 9:3).
Some food is unclean (Lev).
All food is clean (Ro 14:14; 1Co 8:8, 10:15).


God didn't "change his mind," his plan from before the foundations of the world included changes
.
He knew the end from the beginning, the levites were a placeholder,
nothing has been done away, but it has been transferred....

Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

3331. metathesis
Strong's Concordance
metathesis: a change, removal
Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metathesis
Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is)
Short Definition:change, transformation, removal
Definition: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.
A transformation is a replacement by a totally new thing, with no more connection
to its earlier form, like the caterpillar into the butterfly.
A transformation is not a "place holder," the butterfly is not holding a place for anything.

The meaning of metathesis in Heb 7:12 is "change, removal, replacement."

The Levitial priesthood has been changed, removed and replaced with the eternal priesthood of Melchizedek.

For it was written long before it happened:

Psalm 89:26-37, "...My covenant will stand fast with Him...My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie..."
Once again, that refers to the Davidic covenant, and has nothing to do with the Mosaic covenant
nor the Levitical priesthood.
 

Hizikyah

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A transformation is a replacement by a totally new thing, with no more connection
to its earlier form, like the caterpillar into the butterfly.
A transformation is not a "place holder," the butterfly is not holding a place for anything.

The meaning of metathesis in Heb 7:12 is "change, removal, replacement."

The Levitial priesthood has been changed, removed and replaced with the eternal priesthood of Melchizedek.


Once again, that refers to the Davidic covenant, and has nothing to do with the Mosaic covenant
nor the Levitical priesthood.
Messiah is the High Priest, my advice would be to listen to Him;

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
 
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Elin said:
Word_Swordsman said:
Does God change his mind frequently like men?
No, but his plan for mankind has changes in it:

setting aside of the Levitical priesthood,
establishment of a new eternal priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
establishment of a new eternal High Priest, Jesus Christ,
setting aside of the sacrificial system,
setting aside of physical circumcision, etc.

Do they mean God changed his mind?

All food is clean (Ge 9:3).
Some food is unclean (Lev).
All food is clean (Ro 14:14; 1Co 8:8, 10:15).


God didn't "change his mind," his plan from before the foundations of the world included changes
.
Ah but He did change His mind about the Law?
No more than he changed his mind about the Levitical priesthood.
 
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gb9

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That is a rather interesting statement coming from one who has torn 39 books out of her Bible.
you do understand that the Law was given to Israel only right?? it was not given to every nation on earth. now if you are a gentile, then see the council decision Acts 15 for that decision.
 

Hizikyah

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My advice is to hear the whole word of God.
For the word of YHWH is true!

The mark of Yah is clearly stated in Scripture:

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

and Paul supports this verse:

2 Timothy 2:19, "Nevertheless, the Foundation of Yahweh stands sure, having this seal*: Yahweh knows those who are His, because everyone who reverences the Name of Yahweh departs from iniquity." (iniquity is Lawlessness)

*seal
is 4973. sphragisStrong's Concordance

sphragis: a seal, a signet
Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sphragis
Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece')
Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof
Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.

again

Exodus 13:9, "...sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth..."

upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes

Hand
and head...

The beast has a counter mark: Also in the hand and head

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no rest night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

For we can see the end time anti-Messiah will be "the Lawless one"

2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."

This "sign" is your actions (right hand) which represents strength, what you do with your ability/life and memorial between your eyes Exodus 13:9, that explains the mark of Yahweh says: "memorial between your eyes," what do we remember with that is between our eyes? Our brain, or our thoughts and beliefs.

There is no Scripture that fully explains how, but I have a possible example.

Certainly the world will be in a state of chaos and buying and selling could be done in a way that one would have to transgress against Yahweh to buy ans sell, as buying and selling one the day He says is His mark:

(and you will see this mark is for Hebrew and gentile alike);

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign
is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

So the only day of commerce allowed in a time of great chaos could be the 7th day (Sat), for days 2-6 (Mon-Fri) are work days and the 1st day (Sun) has been declared by the RCC, "her mark of authority" and a day of rest:

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

and it was prophesied by the prophet Daniyl:


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Now with all that said I do personally believe the RIFD will be "administered"

Revelation 18:11-13, "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. "

Arron Russo was attempted to be recruited by the "global elite" and spoke upon their rfid agenda before he died;

Aaron Russo (/ˈrʊsoʊ/; February 14, 1943 – August 24, 2007) was an American entertainment businessman, film producer and director, and political activist. He was best known for producing such movies as Trading Places, Wise Guys, and The Rose. Later in life, he created various Libertarian-leaning political documentaries including Mad as Hell and America: Freedom to Fascism. After a six-year battle with bladder cancer, Russo died on August 24, 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

quote:
Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act:
"A class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.” Class III devises are items such as breast implants, pacemakers, heart valves, etc. A Class II device that is implantable is, as you seen from the FDA, an implantable radio frequency transponder, RFID chip. From breast implants, to pacemakers, to RFID chips which one is the only possible one that can used for the stated purpose in section B which is, “for linking such data with the information included in the registry”? As we know from subsection A, the information in the registry is the name of a device. In plain speak, we are in a clear way being told that our electronic medical records are going to be linked to a class II implantable device! “The Secretary to protect the public health; shall establish procedures to permit linkage of information submitted pursuant to subparagraph (A, remember subparagraph A is the class 2 implantable device reference) with patient safety and outcomes data obtained under paragraph (3, which is electronic medical records); and to permit analyses of linked data;” Continuing on to page 1007, in the STANDARDS, IMPLEMENTATION CRITERIA, AND CERTIFICATION CRITERIA section, the secretary of health and human services is given full power to intact all mandates from the laundry list of to-do items in the creation process of the registry as well as dictate how the devises listed in the National Medical Device Registry are to be used and implemented. “The Secretary of the Health Human Services, acting through the head of the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, shall adopt standards, implementation specifications, and certification criteria for the electronic exchange and use in certified electronic health records of a unique device identifier for each device described in paragraph 1 (National Medical Device Registry), if such an identifier is required by section 519(f) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i(f)) for the device.” Notice here in this part which is at the beginning of 2000 plus pages of the law, it is carefully worded “which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identity detection card”. Here we are told that it may be a card. As you have already seen, deeper in the law [Sec. 2521 Pg. 1000] what this “may” utilize is clearly spelled out as a “class II device that is implantable”. Now on Page 503, section E Lines 13-17 and I quote: “encourage, as appropriate, the development and use of clinical registries and the development of clinical effectiveness research data networks from electronic health records, post marketing drug and medical device surveillance efforts”. Let me say that again, medical device surveillance efforts! Now lets look at section 163 of HR3200, which gives the government a direct electronic access to your bank account which will work in conjunction with an implanted chip. Page 58 Lines 5 through 15 reads: (D) enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identity detection card; (E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims What does this mean? It means that the government will give everybody a health ID card that contains a machine readable device (magnetic strip or RFID chip) similar to a credit card. Embedded in this chip or strip is your Health Identification Number. When you visit a medical provider, the medical claims will be processed while you are still in the office. The medical providers will be paid in real time. The portion that you owe will be deducted from your bank account, in real time, according to HR 3200."
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues, For her sins have reached acunto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!
 

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you do understand that the Law was given to Israel only right?? it was not given to every nation on earth. now if you are a gentile, then see the council decision Acts 15 for that decision.
You do realize Acts 15 was requirement to WALK into a place of worship, for if that were it stealing would be ok...

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Clearly written....

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Clearly written....

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
 

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did you actually read it???
 

gb9

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You do realize Acts 15 was requirement to WALK into a place of worship, for if that were it stealing would be ok...

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Clearly written....

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Clearly written....

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
non-responsive to what Acts 15 says about gentiles and the law.
 

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you do understand that the Law was given to Israel only right?? it was not given to every nation on earth. now if you are a gentile, then see the council decision Acts 15 for that decision.
Uh, which tribe of Israel was Abraham from?

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 

Hizikyah

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did you actually read it???
Yes and I have also studied the different readings in the different ancient manuscripts, for there are added words in some "families" of manuscripts...

I don't think it's ok to alter manuscripts....
 
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impossible.

yes.

for men, it is impossible.

yet, remember the good shepherd.

when he goes and gets the sheep, when he leads the sheep,

does he lead some of the sheep into a deep gulley full of rocks and weeds,

and other sheep into the lush green pastures and make us lie down besides still waters ?

does he FEED some sheep HIS GOOD FOOD, and lead OTHER SHEEP to poisonous plants to eat ? ? ?

wouldn't that be kind of strange ? ? ?

and, further, since the poisonous plants/ other food/ that was poisonous 5000 years ago, are still poisonous today,

is it not BETTER TO FOLLOW THE GOOD SHEPHERD ? ? ? and LISTEN TO HIM ? ? ? than to listen to men and their lies and traditions ? ? ?

chose today who you will obey - chose today life, or death, but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord Jesus always, and never depart from Him.
 

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non-responsive to what Acts 15 says about gentiles and the law.
Umm yes tip your nose up and ignore the first line of that post.... yet im the one who is said to be this and that....

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

You do realize Acts 15 was requirement to WALK into a place of worship, for if that were it stealing would be ok...

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19-21Therefore, my judgment is that we should not make difficulties for those of the Gentiles who turn to Yahweh, But rather, write to them that they abstain from defilements: such as godworship, from all sexual impurity, from 1bthat which has been cooked with the blood still in it, and from bloodshed by violence--For Mosheh, from the earliest times, has in every city those who preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath Day.

For they will learn when they attend service... but they were told they had to follow those few things before they could even walk in to a place of worship..

come as you are was a little different back then...

and even has even gone so far these days not just "come as you are" but in some places "stay as you are"
 

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o.k., if you are just going to ignore the part about the yoke of bondage, and say that this verse means that gentiles will LEARN the O.T. law, then I do not what to say. I will pray for you. you tear apart the Word to suit your own pre-disposed ideas. you are putting your self above the Bible, refusing to see clear meaning. I apologize to you. you need prayer, not rebuke. hope you get right brother.
 

john832

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o.k., if you are just going to ignore the part about the yoke of bondage, and say that this verse means that gentiles will LEARN the O.T. law, then I do not what to say. I will pray for you. you tear apart the Word to suit your own pre-disposed ideas. you are putting your self above the Bible, refusing to see clear meaning. I apologize to you. you need prayer, not rebuke. hope you get right brother.
You mean applying ALL of the scripture is tearing the word apart?

Let me ask you a question. With whom is the New Covenant made?
 

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I am not responding to either of you anymore.