Did mis-treatment of woman begin with Adam?
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With adam, when God asked him to explain himself, Adam blamed Eve and also GOd for giving him to her. Eve did not blame Adam she blamed the serpent.
Women down the centuries have been taking the blame from men. As for mistreatment look at the plight of women in the Bible...
Noah and his wife are spied on naked by Ham, Ham goes and tells his brother but they dont look and cover them and walk backward. Think how Noahs wife feels that her son is a voyeur.
Sarah..and Hagar..Hagar is an egyptian slave he gets roped into being a surrogate for Abraham. She runs away from her mistress but doesnt really have a choice to give birth to Ishmael. IShmael grow up wild, he doesnt inheirit and doesnt really have Abraham for a father. How does Hagar feel about her position? Or Sarah being barren she cant really do anything until the Lord opens her womb.
Lots wife. Is not even named when she looks back is turned into a pillar of salt. But her daughters, Lot offers them up to the men wanting to have sex with angels. Think of how Lots daughter feel.
Rebekah has twins fighting in her womb...think of how she feels as mother of two children who will grow up eventually hating each other down the centuries.
Rachel cant have children either but Leah can..but Leah is not favoured by her husband cos shes not as pretty as Rachel, despite giving birth six times. And then rachel eventually gives birth yet she doesnt even live to see her son.
Dinah falls in love with Hamesh but makes the mistake of sleeping with him before marriage and her brothers end up killing him.
Keep going read the Bible and put yourself in these womens shoes . Do you have much choice? Isnt there some male one allways has to submit to?
Women down the centuries have been taking the blame from men. As for mistreatment look at the plight of women in the Bible...
Noah and his wife are spied on naked by Ham, Ham goes and tells his brother but they dont look and cover them and walk backward. Think how Noahs wife feels that her son is a voyeur.
Sarah..and Hagar..Hagar is an egyptian slave he gets roped into being a surrogate for Abraham. She runs away from her mistress but doesnt really have a choice to give birth to Ishmael. IShmael grow up wild, he doesnt inheirit and doesnt really have Abraham for a father. How does Hagar feel about her position? Or Sarah being barren she cant really do anything until the Lord opens her womb.
Lots wife. Is not even named when she looks back is turned into a pillar of salt. But her daughters, Lot offers them up to the men wanting to have sex with angels. Think of how Lots daughter feel.
Rebekah has twins fighting in her womb...think of how she feels as mother of two children who will grow up eventually hating each other down the centuries.
Rachel cant have children either but Leah can..but Leah is not favoured by her husband cos shes not as pretty as Rachel, despite giving birth six times. And then rachel eventually gives birth yet she doesnt even live to see her son.
Dinah falls in love with Hamesh but makes the mistake of sleeping with him before marriage and her brothers end up killing him.
Keep going read the Bible and put yourself in these womens shoes . Do you have much choice? Isnt there some male one allways has to submit to?
This is a good point.
Although we should say that although she had no knowledge of good or evil, she DID have knowledge that she shouldn't eat it. She may have been tricked into thinking it wasn't evil, but she knew the Lord said she shouldn't do it.
Romans tells us that Adam was a "type" of Christ. Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Since Adam was not deceived,
1 Timothy 2:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Adam knew what would result upon disobeying God, and since Scripture says he is a "type" or "model" of Christ, it is not a stretch to say that Adam loved Eve so much that he was willing to die with her then live without her. I am in NO WAY suggesting that what Adam did was right. He doesn't get to disobey God for ANY reason.
But what would have happened if Adam, after watching Eve eat the fruit, said " whoa!! I'll pray for ya Eve, but I aint eatin that thing!"
I brought up this possibility at our Bible study in Romans a couple of months ago, and the reactions were pretty funny. ALL the ladies would have NONE of the idea that ANYTHING noble could be attributed to Adam. And ALL the guys liked the idea! LOL
Although we should say that although she had no knowledge of good or evil, she DID have knowledge that she shouldn't eat it. She may have been tricked into thinking it wasn't evil, but she knew the Lord said she shouldn't do it.
Romans tells us that Adam was a "type" of Christ. Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Since Adam was not deceived,
1 Timothy 2:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Adam knew what would result upon disobeying God, and since Scripture says he is a "type" or "model" of Christ, it is not a stretch to say that Adam loved Eve so much that he was willing to die with her then live without her. I am in NO WAY suggesting that what Adam did was right. He doesn't get to disobey God for ANY reason.
But what would have happened if Adam, after watching Eve eat the fruit, said " whoa!! I'll pray for ya Eve, but I aint eatin that thing!"
I brought up this possibility at our Bible study in Romans a couple of months ago, and the reactions were pretty funny. ALL the ladies would have NONE of the idea that ANYTHING noble could be attributed to Adam. And ALL the guys liked the idea! LOL
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Man wants to be a partner in crime? . There is a way that seems right to man, but the end there of is death. Proverbs 14:12
I dunno about adam being noble, cos he actually blamed Eve. And its like all those people who just follow the crowd or peer pressure claiming well I just had to fit in. People who drink and do drugs just cos everyone else is drinking and doing drugs and not making a stand or warning them.
Enablers?
I dunno about adam being noble, cos he actually blamed Eve. And its like all those people who just follow the crowd or peer pressure claiming well I just had to fit in. People who drink and do drugs just cos everyone else is drinking and doing drugs and not making a stand or warning them.
Enablers?
Were the Ten Commandments written with the finger of God on two stone tablets"? And does that not trump every scholar and wise man?
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:11)
These six days are connected to man's work week, so that the 7th day becomes the Sabbath.
Did God need six days when He could have created everything in six seconds or six minutes? But His reason was to give mankind a pattern for work (6 days) and worship, rest, and good works (1 day).
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:11)
These six days are connected to man's work week, so that the 7th day becomes the Sabbath.
Did God need six days when He could have created everything in six seconds or six minutes? But His reason was to give mankind a pattern for work (6 days) and worship, rest, and good works (1 day).
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I'm going to examine your post critically; nothing about my comments is meant as personal criticism of you.
"As for mistreatment look at the plight of women in the Bible..." these words (in bold) talk about treatment by others.
However, your examples mostly do not address situations of "mistreatment", but about "feelings," choices the women themselves made, or situations over which the men had no control.
"Think how Noahs wife feels that her son is a voyeur."
"Hagar ... runs away. ... How does she feel about her position?"
"Or Sarah being barren"
"Lots (sic) wife... looks back (and) is turned into a pillar of salt."
Rachel can't have children. This is a man's fault how exactly? (btw, she died in childbirth with her second son, not her first)
Leah was made Jacob's wife by deceit. That's Jacob's fault how exactly?
"Rebekah ... think of how she feels as a mother of two... "
Dinah was raped. Her feelings about the rapist being killed for his crime, or any other element in the story, are not recorded.
You forgot Naomi, and how terrible she "feels" when her husband and two sons died. Think of those scumbag men, leaving the poor women to fend for themselves!
How a woman feels is not always the result of a man's choice to "mistreat" her. Life is hard, but you seem to be blaming men for the all hardship the women in Scripture had to undergo. Frankly, that's SJW hogwash. Life was hard for the men too, but they didn't go around blaming women for it.
Perhaps you'd consider rethinking your position.
"As for mistreatment look at the plight of women in the Bible..." these words (in bold) talk about treatment by others.
However, your examples mostly do not address situations of "mistreatment", but about "feelings," choices the women themselves made, or situations over which the men had no control.
"Think how Noahs wife feels that her son is a voyeur."
"Hagar ... runs away. ... How does she feel about her position?"
"Or Sarah being barren"
"Lots (sic) wife... looks back (and) is turned into a pillar of salt."
Rachel can't have children. This is a man's fault how exactly? (btw, she died in childbirth with her second son, not her first)
Leah was made Jacob's wife by deceit. That's Jacob's fault how exactly?
"Rebekah ... think of how she feels as a mother of two... "
Dinah was raped. Her feelings about the rapist being killed for his crime, or any other element in the story, are not recorded.
You forgot Naomi, and how terrible she "feels" when her husband and two sons died. Think of those scumbag men, leaving the poor women to fend for themselves!
How a woman feels is not always the result of a man's choice to "mistreat" her. Life is hard, but you seem to be blaming men for the all hardship the women in Scripture had to undergo. Frankly, that's SJW hogwash. Life was hard for the men too, but they didn't go around blaming women for it.
Perhaps you'd consider rethinking your position.
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Good point. Why didn't Adam just say, 'I saw she ate of the tree, and just couldn't stand the thought of living without the woman that you gave me, so I ate, " if that were the case. Instead, Adam effectually had admitted that he was just as if not even weaker than the woman, and has since ever been trying to (over)compensate for that reality, in spite of having known well enough to be deceived into believing the serpent's lie..
Yea people are reading more into the bible whats there. I'm sure people that take drugs arent really thinking they cant live without the person whos also taking the drugs and want to die with them. They just not thinking at all.
Its a case of, men smart, women smarter. At least Eve had a thought process, which is shown in the story. Adam seemed to have no thoughts at all , its like he sees food and eats it. Not even that he sees what someone else is eating and eats it and doesn't bother to check first.
Its a case of, men smart, women smarter. At least Eve had a thought process, which is shown in the story. Adam seemed to have no thoughts at all , its like he sees food and eats it. Not even that he sees what someone else is eating and eats it and doesn't bother to check first.
I'm going to examine your post critically; nothing about my comments is meant as personal criticism of you.
"As for mistreatment look at the plight of women in the Bible..." these words (in bold) talk about treatment by others.
However, your examples mostly do not address situations of "mistreatment", but about "feelings," choices the women themselves made, or situations over which the men had no control.
"Think how Noahs wife feels that her son is a voyeur."
"Hagar ... runs away. ... How does she feel about her position?"
"Or Sarah being barren"
"Lots (sic) wife... looks back (and) is turned into a pillar of salt."
Rachel can't have children. This is a man's fault how exactly? (btw, she died in childbirth with her second son, not her first)
Leah was made Jacob's wife by deceit. That's Jacob's fault how exactly?
"Rebekah ... think of how she feels as a mother of two... "
Dinah was raped. Her feelings about the rapist being killed for his crime, or any other element in the story, are not recorded.
You forgot Naomi, and how terrible she "feels" when her husband and two sons died. Think of those scumbag men, leaving the poor women to fend for themselves!
How a woman feels is not always the result of a man's choice to "mistreat" her. Life is hard, but you seem to be blaming men for the all hardship the women in Scripture had to undergo. Frankly, that's SJW hogwash. Life was hard for the men too, but they didn't go around blaming women for it.
Perhaps you'd consider rethinking your position.
"As for mistreatment look at the plight of women in the Bible..." these words (in bold) talk about treatment by others.
However, your examples mostly do not address situations of "mistreatment", but about "feelings," choices the women themselves made, or situations over which the men had no control.
"Think how Noahs wife feels that her son is a voyeur."
"Hagar ... runs away. ... How does she feel about her position?"
"Or Sarah being barren"
"Lots (sic) wife... looks back (and) is turned into a pillar of salt."
Rachel can't have children. This is a man's fault how exactly? (btw, she died in childbirth with her second son, not her first)
Leah was made Jacob's wife by deceit. That's Jacob's fault how exactly?
"Rebekah ... think of how she feels as a mother of two... "
Dinah was raped. Her feelings about the rapist being killed for his crime, or any other element in the story, are not recorded.
You forgot Naomi, and how terrible she "feels" when her husband and two sons died. Think of those scumbag men, leaving the poor women to fend for themselves!
How a woman feels is not always the result of a man's choice to "mistreat" her. Life is hard, but you seem to be blaming men for the all hardship the women in Scripture had to undergo. Frankly, that's SJW hogwash. Life was hard for the men too, but they didn't go around blaming women for it.
Perhaps you'd consider rethinking your position.
Women dont blame men, women are the ones that say yes when a man asks them to marry them so they know what they getting into, they not stupid. You think women cant or dont ever say no?
Maybe rethink yours, because God did make women the weaker vessel and men often use their strength in ways that can harm those weaker. I dont supoose youve ever hit a woman or a womans tried to hit you? The women in the Bible dont have any power that a man has because they give it to their husbands or the men, why, because of the curse or punishment.
JEsus has released us from the curse, and that gives us the ability to choose life. Without Jesus we really have limited options. Think of all the orthodox jewish women or women living in islamic countries. How are they treated by men? Open you eyes a bit, and maybe have a bit of empathy. Have you ever cried? Some men cant even shed a tear and laugh at those who do. But what is sorrow and mourning, tears are healthy and cleanse the emotions.
jesus did, He wept.
It's not possible those 6 days written on the tablet by God were not literal days?
It would not be the only time in the bible God was not being literal when He was making a statement.
Our intellect is further away from Gods intellect then an ant is to us.
It's a real possibility that God did not want to get into literal weeks, months, years or centuries regarding creation duration. Why He may have used figurative days (if He did) may be beyond us, and God is certainly not obligated to explain to us why.
You really don't khow for sure, and neither does anyone else, unless God has given them special revelation in prayer.
I am content to wait until I get to heaven to find out.
It would not be the only time in the bible God was not being literal when He was making a statement.
Our intellect is further away from Gods intellect then an ant is to us.
It's a real possibility that God did not want to get into literal weeks, months, years or centuries regarding creation duration. Why He may have used figurative days (if He did) may be beyond us, and God is certainly not obligated to explain to us why.
You really don't khow for sure, and neither does anyone else, unless God has given them special revelation in prayer.
I am content to wait until I get to heaven to find out.
Probably does mean what it says but that does not mean that a wife is to be a personal slave to her husband. As for myself, I don't ask my wife to submit to anything as it is up to me to designate what she must submit to and my answer is she submits to nothing. It also says that husbands should love their wives. Yes, I follow this too as I love my wife very much. And she loves me. There are those that are biblically naïve and expect that their future wife must submit to whatever they have in mind, and become their personal slave expecting to be waited upon in their every whim and desire. I would advise any single woman that is contemplating marriage to ask their perspective spouse what, if anything there will be to submit to. If it is disagreeable than I would not marry that man because she would be in for years of heartbreak, mental anguish and possibly physical abuse as well
One example does not make a rule. Offhand, I can't think of another example from Scripture. Comments like, "dont (sic) you read the Bible?" are personal, inflammatory, and unnecessary. You were calling out my sarcasm last week. Mirror, mirror....
In the examples you provided, they didn't. So what's your point?
Not having enough strength to physically overpower men does not necessarily mean that women are mistreated. Domestic abuse rates in modern America are about equal.
This isn't about me, and it isn't about you. It's about your post, in which you focused on how women feel about their "mistreatment" when several of those situations had nothing to do with mistreatment by men at all. You could have noted many examples of actual mistreatment by men, and your post would have carried more weight.
In the examples you provided, they didn't. So what's your point?
Not having enough strength to physically overpower men does not necessarily mean that women are mistreated. Domestic abuse rates in modern America are about equal.
This isn't about me, and it isn't about you. It's about your post, in which you focused on how women feel about their "mistreatment" when several of those situations had nothing to do with mistreatment by men at all. You could have noted many examples of actual mistreatment by men, and your post would have carried more weight.
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The bible says that in marriage the two shall become one, so if one harms the other they harm themselves as well. Scripture also says that husbands should love their wives.
In proverbs 31: 10 to 31 there are verses in praise of wives. Faithful Jews have a song singing these verses to their wives every Friday night.
In proverbs 31: 10 to 31 there are verses in praise of wives. Faithful Jews have a song singing these verses to their wives every Friday night.
It appears obviously that God is big in numerology. Saying that something is numerous as the stars is perhaps figurative but saying something equals the total number of stars must be taken as literal. God made a point that the 6 days of the creation week were actual days based on the evening and morning reference of being one day. God spelled it out for us. Not only was this possible it was actual. God could have created the entire universe in 6 nanoseconds if He was so inclined but made it days instead so that a human being could easily grasp how long the period to time actually was.
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