Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

[Chuckyz2]

I understand that. What mr. Millard might want to consider is what Jesus gave UP to become flesh. When we understand that Jesus
will for eternality have that Body. This is what Jesus gave up HIS Omni-Presence because of the body HE willfully took on in the Likeness of sinful man. HE did not have unlimited Power, Knowing, and Authority . HE gave up for US so HE could be like us for ever without sin AS HE desires us to be AND Made it Possible In HIM.

Jesus was given all power. He had legions of Good Angels at his disposal.
He could make the blind see. The lame walk. The dead rise. What are you talking about?

 

[CS1]

Jesus was given all power. He had legions of Good Angels at his disposal.
He could make the blind see. The lame walk. The dead rise. What are you talking about?

when Jesus became man His Body could not be at all places at once could it? This is the willful limitation HE took on

 

[GodisONE]

"since they cannot understand what the true meaning of what the/a WORD means...as in something that is SPOKEN...their lack of understanding has created 3 persons, instead of ONE God as ONE person and His Word and Holy Spirit."

Jesus is the word made Flesh John Gospel tells us that
We See God as the father = of Creation , Jesus as the very expression =Word and the Holy Spirit who is confirming the word in the earth as we see in Gen 1 and in John Gospel.

let's start from this point:

the WORD.
what is being referenced here by the term WORD?
something spoken.

when you talk, you speak words.

so, we know the WORD is something spoken. and in the Bible, the WORD is God speaking.

does the WORD becoming flesh suddenly separates itself from the speaker [God]?
no

the WORD is an extension of GOD, not something separate.

this is all I am trying to make clear.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

What page are you getting your info from? I couldn't read the images, but I found the book online. So far I'm not seeing what you're talking about. Instead I read this:

“For the humanity of Jesus was not the humanity of sinful human beings, but the humanity possessed by Adam and Eve from their creation and before their fall.“​

That is a quote from Millard Erickson in his book Christian Theology p. 736. See note 75. But then the author of my book goes on to argue against what Erickson says. Read the following paragraphs that follow that one.:
" In perspective, it may seem that Erickson has offered a proper and orthodox viewpoint on Jesus' humanity. However, several questions may be asked:"

Can you read in the book what follows next?

 

[GodisONE]

and I do understand how trinity perceives God to be.

but they perceive it this way because they have limited reasoning skills.

and when you define something, you define at your level of reasoning...therefore...since they are limited...they limit God!!

 

[CS1]

let's start from this point:

the WORD.
what is being referenced here by the term WORD?
something spoken.

when you talk, you speak words.

so, we know the WORD is something spoken. and in the Bible, the WORD is God speaking.

does the WORD becoming flesh suddenly separates itself from the speaker [God]?
no

the WORD is an extension of GOD, not something separate.

this is all I am trying to make clear.

how about you put in context the "Word" from where it is used in scripture ? This way we can see what you mean about the word " Word".

Because in John 1 the " Word " there is the very expression of God called the Logos which can be spoken word but as you know The Greek as more than one meaning therefore it has to fit contexually
So you have to look at Gen 1 and John 1 to get a clearer understanding of Who the "word " is .

 

[GodisONE]

how about you put in context the "Word" from where it is used in scripture ? This way we can see what you mean about the word " Word".

Because in John 1 the " Word " there is the very expression of God called the Logos which can be spoken word but as you know The Greek as more than one meaning therefore it has to fit contexually
So you have to look at Gen 1 and John 1 to get a clearer understanding of Who the "word " is .

first off, I am speaking basic because I am not wanting confusion.

you want elaborate definition. that is fine.

but to those who cannot see the ONENESS, it's best to define it as simple as you can. if you can define something simple, you can get more people to understand.

I am not here to show I am a whiz with understanding.
I am here to show the basics so people can finally understand exactly WHO GOD IS!!

 

[GodisONE]

first off, I am speaking basic because I am not wanting confusion.

you want elaborate definition. that is fine.

but to those who cannot see the ONENESS, it's best to define it as simple as you can. if you can define something simple, you can get more people to understand.

I am not here to show I am a whiz with understanding.
I am here to show the basics so people can finally understand exactly WHO GOD IS!!

the WORD.
what is being referenced here by the term WORD?
something spoken.

when you talk, you speak words.

so, we know the WORD is something spoken. and in the Bible, the WORD is God speaking.

does the WORD becoming flesh suddenly separates itself from the speaker [God]?
no

the WORD is an extension of GOD, not something separate.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

when Jesus became man His Body could not be at all places at once could it? This is the willful limitation HE took on

He said he was unable to do anything by himself. It's remarkable how low he became.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That is a quote from Millard Erickson in his book Christian Theology p. 736. See note 75. But then the author of my book goes on to argue against what Erickson says. Read the following paragraphs that follow that one.:
" In perspective, it may seem that Erickson has offered a proper and orthodox viewpoint on Jesus' humanity. However, several questions may be asked:"

Can you read in the book what follows next?

Yes, but I don't see what you've been saying.

 

[Chuckyz2]

when Jesus became man His Body could not be at all places at once could it? This is the willful limitation HE took on

He saw the disciple by the tree before He met Him.
You really don't know just how powerful Jesus is, do You?

 

[CS1]

and I do understand how trinity perceives God to be.

but they perceive it this way because they have limited reasoning skills.

and when you define something, you define at your level of reasoning...therefore...since they are limited...they limit God!!

NO that is not true

the concept of the Trinity is seen this way and it is tight this was

1. We must approach the Devine Nature of God reverently
2. We are limited in our ability to fully comprehend the GodHead The Level of human reasoning can never fully comprehend the Devine Nature of God; pride says otherwise .
The concept of the Trinity or Godhead is
God is One and Three yet ONE.
We have come to this understanding from Scriptures . As the Word OF God speaks of God the Creator Gods Holy Spirit seen in Gen 1
And the Eternal Son revealed in the Gospel of John 1

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit . The Three are seen in Scripture, the three have identity and attributes which bring distinction to each one and personification too. YET they are God

God the Creator = God Jesus Lord = God The Holy Spirit= God = 3=1 God.


Your comment of limited reasoning skills are in context to you too because WE on this side cannot fully understand ALL this is to know about God .
God is Infinite we are finite we only know enough for appropriate worship and righteous living
We only know God through the revelation :

general = His creation Rom 1
Special= His Word
illumination= by the Holy Spirit in a relationship with Christ our Lord.
the level of Skillful reasoning produces nothing `.

 

[CS1]

first off, I am speaking basic because I am not wanting confusion.

you want elaborate definition. that is fine.

but to those who cannot see the ONENESS, it's best to define it as simple as you can. if you can define something simple, you can get more people to understand.

I am not here to show I am a whiz with understanding.
I am here to show the basics so people can finally understand exactly WHO GOD IS!!

well you say that now after you told me how unskillful we are ?

 

[GodisONE]

how about you put in context the "Word" from where it is used in scripture ? This way we can see what you mean about the word " Word".

Because in John 1 the " Word " there is the very expression of God called the Logos which can be spoken word but as you know The Greek as more than one meaning therefore it has to fit contexually
So you have to look at Gen 1 and John 1 to get a clearer understanding of Who the "word " is .

now for you:

john 14: Yeshua said to Thomas, when you SEE ME you SEE the FATHER, and when you SEE the FATHER, you have SEEN ME.
I and the Father ARE ONE.
I am not doing my own works but the FATHER dwelling within ME is doing HIS OWN WORKS.

this is as basic as it gets that Yahweh commands and Yeshua [the WORD] does it.

this is the WORD in action by following the command of Yahweh!!

 

[Chuckyz2]

He saw the disciple by the tree before He met Him.
You really don't know just how powerful Jesus is, do You?

Jesus said, I did not come to do my will, but the will of the Father who sent me.
Hope this helps.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

What page are you getting your info from? I couldn't read the images, but I found the book online. So far I'm not seeing what you're talking about. Instead I read this:

k “For the humanity of Jesus was not the humanity of sinful human beings, but the humanity possessed by Adam and Eve from their creation and before their fall.“​

I'm uploading a single page at a time to see if it helps you see it better.

 

[CS1]

He said he was unable to do anything by himself. It's remarkable how low he became.

No HE did not HE said HE did nothing of HIS own which Jesu was saying HE knew the full will of God because HE was face to face with God His Father.

 

[CS1]

He saw the disciple by the tree before He met Him.
You really don't know just how powerful Jesus is, do You?

well Chuck what I do know is Jesu was all knowing and HE knew which means HE did not have to see Just like Jesus Knew the thoughts of the Pharphisees

 

[CS1]

now for you:

john 14: Yeshua said to Thomas, when you SEE ME you SEE the FATHER, and when you SEE the FATHER, you have SEEN ME.
I and the Father ARE ONE.
I am not doing my own works but the FATHER dwelling within ME is doing HIS OWN WORKS.

this is as basic as it gets that Yahweh commands and Yeshua [the WORD] does it.

this is the WORD in action by following the command of Yahweh!!

That is Jesus saying HE knows the perfect will of the Father If you read the verses before and after it is clearer and in John 20:28 Thomas said "My Lord and My God" . One of the paramount Verses to confirm Jesus is God

 

[DevotiontoBible]

For nearly 800 posts the OP has been arguing that Christ had a sinful nature, an idea he says he got from a book he's reading. I'm reading it right now. It does not say that. It talks about Christ having an essential humanity that was like Adam's before he sinned.

These two passages insist on the identity of Jesus’ temp-​

tations with our own. This insistence must be given its due​

in the understanding of Christ’s humanity that we formulate.​

Millard Erickson has brought forth a modern rendition of​

incarnational theology in which he attempts to solve the prob-​

lem of Christ’s human nature in the hypostatic union. He​

believes that the answer lies in seeing Jesus’ humanity as ideal​

humanity, or humanity as it will be. In other words, meth-​

odologically, we do not begin with the acute difIiculty of​

God’s becoming a man with all the qualitative differences​

between the divine and human natures. Erickson wishes to​

begin instead with essential humanity (i.e., what God origi-​

nally created), because, presumably, it is much more like God​

than the fallen humanity we observe today. “For the humanity​

of Jesus was not the humanity of sinful human beings, but​

the humanity possessed by Adam and Eve from their creation​

and before their fall.“​

I uploaded single pages so you can see you are taking that paragraph out of context and my book is arguing against what you quoted.