Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

[OstrichSmiling]

Your lacking something extremely important in regards to your argument.

Have a nice day

Yes, you are correct.
They omitted the scripture that proved their point. Genesis 2:17"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

 

[Dino246]

Words are defined by in the context they are used. My position is sound, yours is based on illiteracy.

Given that I am communicating in written language, your charge of illiteracy is ridiculous. It is also insulting, and I will count that as a mark against you personally. If you are unable to defend your position without insulting those who disagree with you, your position is not worth defending.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Given that I am communicating in written language, your charge of illiteracy is ridiculous. It is also insulting, and I will count that as a mark against you personally. If you are unable to defend your position without insulting those who disagree with you, your position is not worth defending.

I am not making an insult but an assessment of your argument which is not based on literary skills but on not using them or violating them.. You are making an argument for the word "all" based on illiteracy since it is to not use the word being defined by two different contexts

 

[shrume]

That context is about "for all have sinned" Jesus never sinned so that is not including Jesus. But the context in Rom 5:12 "death came to all people" includes Jesus because Jesus suffered physical death and generically sinned when Adam sinned because Jesus' physical humanity was in Adam when Adam sinned as" all of us sinned" and suffer physical death including Jesus.

"Jesus ... generically sinned".

No, he did not.

 

[Dino246]

I am not making an insult but an assessment of your argument which is not based on literary skills but on not using them or violating them.. You are making an argument for the word "all" based on illiteracy since it is to not use the word being defined by two different contexts

Then don't use the word "illiteracy" because it isn't the correct word. Illiteracy is the inability to communicate using written language.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That context is about "for all have sinned" Jesus never sinned so that is not including Jesus. But the context in Rom 5:12 "death came to all people" includes Jesus because Jesus suffered physical death and generically sinned when Adam sinned because Jesus' physical humanity was in Adam when Adam sinned as" all of us sinned" and suffer physical death including Jesus.

Generically sinned... Where do you come up with these ridiculous ideas. Is this what the AOG teaches?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

"Jesus ... generically sinned".

No, he did not.

Yes, He did and I just posted several translations agreeing that He had our sinful human nature. Money talks and you know what walks, so take a hike buddy. You lost this debate.

 

[shrume]

Yes, He did and I just posted several translations agreeing that He had our sinful human nature.

No you didn't. Not even one.

Jesus did not sin, either generically, genetically, or any other way.

Money talks and you know what walks, so take a hike buddy. You lost this debate.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Then don't use the word "illiteracy" because it isn't the correct word. Illiteracy is the inability to communicate using written language.

There you go acting illiterate again because "illiterate" has more than the single meaning you are giving it even after I explained to you the meaning I was using it as. Look at definition 2b:

Definition of illiterate
1: having little or no education;especially : unable to read or write

• an illiterate population

2a : showing or marked by a lack of familiarity with language and literature

• an illiterate magazine

b : violating approved patterns of speaking or writing
3: showing or marked by a lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals of a particular field of knowledge

• musically illiterate

 

[DevotiontoBible]

No you didn't. Not even one.

Jesus did not sin, either generically, genetically, or any other way.

I most certainly posted four of them today.

 

[shrume]

I most certainly posted four of them today.

You think they support your belief, but they don't.

Jesus was not sinful, he did not have a sin nature, and he never sinned.

But I'm dropping out again. Your mind is made up, you will not listen.

 

[Dino246]

It says "everyone sinned" when Adam did. That includes Jesus in His humanity.

I've been re-reading all of your posts in this thread. Generally, they are snarky, combative, filled with self-righteousness, and lacking anything which I consider encouring for calm and respectful discussion. You have an axe to grind.

Then I came across the post above. That, combined with the general tone of your entire side of this discussion, leads me to conclude that you hold to a heresy, and that you're only here for a fight.

Don't bother responding; I won't read it. I'm out.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

You think they support your belief, but they don't.

Jesus was not sinful, he did not have a sin nature, and he never sinned.

But I'm dropping out again. Your mind is made up, you will not listen.

They all plainly say Jesus had our sinful nature. You are in denial.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I've been re-reading all of your posts in this thread. Generally, they are snarky, combative, filled with self-righteousness, and lacking anything which I consider encouring for calm and respectful discussion. You have an axe to grind.

Then I came across the post above. That, combined with the general tone of your entire side of this discussion, leads me to conclude that you hold to a heresy, and that you're only here for a fight.

Don't bother responding; I won't read it. I'm out.

People like you resort to these sorts of personal attacks when you lose and have nothing to say.

 

[CS1]

Christ's DNA was from Adam via Mary, but his spiritual legacy came from GOD. So he was like man in every way except that his spiritual nature was unmarred by the consequence of Adam's sin. Which proves that sinful nature is not something intrinsic to the flesh. It is something inherited from one's father.

Christ DNA was not from Adam it was from God the father who IS HIS Father. The human flesh is what was taken on through Mary because IF Adam DNA was the Lords HE would have had sin. This is why Adam is not His father

The Living God is . Remember Jesus stepped out of His All Present attribute to be limited in the context LIKE sinful man. HE was not Sinful man.
It is error to suggest Adam's DNA is related to Jesus Adam is the first = sin Jesus is the Second Adam= without sin

 

[CS1]

That would make sense.

The problem is it is not Biblical

 

[CS1]

Are you saying babies, who have not committed any sins yet, are sinful?

They have the ability to sin by the very nature of sin yet they have not committed any .

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Christ DNA was not from Adam it was from God the father who IS HIS Father. The human flesh is what was taken on through Mary because IF Adam DNA was the Lords HE would have had sin. This is why Adam is not His father

The Living God is . Remember Jesus stepped out of His All Present attribute to be limited in the context LIKE sinful man. HE was not Sinful man.
It is error to suggest Adam's DNA is related to Jesus Adam is the first = sin Jesus is the Second Adam= without sin

A child consists of DNA from both mother and father. We simply do not know if GOD used Mary's egg (which would mean Jesus had DNA from Mary) or implanted an embryo.

How is sin or sin nature or original sin passed in DNA? In fact what does sin have to do with DNA?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Christ DNA was not from Adam it was from God the father who IS HIS Father. The human flesh is what was taken on through Mary because IF Adam DNA was the Lords HE would have had sin. This is why Adam is not His father

The Living God is . Remember Jesus stepped out of His All Present attribute to be limited in the context LIKE sinful man. HE was not Sinful man.
It is error to suggest Adam's DNA is related to Jesus Adam is the first = sin Jesus is the Second Adam= without sin

Mary didn't have the sin nature? Of course she did and passed it on to her son Jesus. I have posted several translations saying that.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

People like you resort to these sorts of personal attacks when you lose and have nothing to say.

Why don't you post that page from your AOG systematic theology course? I'm still baffled that I can't find what you're teaching on AOG websites.