Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[DeighAnn]

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness for he is a babe.

When first coming to the kingdom of God, accepting Jesus as your Lord an Saviour and being saved, the journey has just begun. We learn about God loving us first, and how we are to love God and love our neighbor, and to walk in that love. It is at this point we are to begin our "Study to show yourself approved. "Milk" is what is given to babies to sustain and keep them alive as they start to grow. If a person does not begin a study in the Word, they remain in this "milk" stage, saved, but naked and vulnerable to the influences of this world. We are told more about the basics of the "Milk" knowledge and consequences of not going past them here. Milk is the baby food and we are to progress onto the meat, to become Mature in the Word

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness for he is a babe.

Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing whose end is to be burned.
Hebrews 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.



2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.



1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

1 Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

1 Peter 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.


What happens after you have been saved and have fulfilled the desire of the "milk" word? That love of Gods Word, the study of it teaching you HIS righteousness, you seek after his righteousness, His right vs wrong which is found in all His word, the knowledge and wisdom found in His laws "telling" you exactly what is right to Him, that you are to follow so you do not go after the ways of your own heart, but His. And when you have done that

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.


Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Matthew 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Matthew 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

Matthew 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

Matthew 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

Matthew 6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Matthew 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

Matthew 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

Matthew 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

 

[Marcelo]

Greetings Marcelo,

Are you asserting that Paul was encouraging them to choose one, or not to choose any?

When Paul speaks of who to follow he refers believers to follow Jesus, and cites His following Jesus as an example. Many confuse Paul's words to say "Follow Me", when the word speak to his redirecting others to follow Jesus as their example, not him, citing that he follows Jesus and everyone else should do likewise.

1Co 11:1 NIV

(1) Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Is this what you were saying? SG

I think all of them had the Holy Spirit and therefore all of them were reliable. Whatever they'd teach was from God and therefore applicable to the covenant they were in.

 

[Marcelo]

I think all of them had the Holy Spirit and therefore all of them were reliable. Whatever they'd teach was from God and therefore applicable to the covenant they were in.

and therefore I think Paul was telling them not to make distinctions among apostles, i.e., to accept all of them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They're stuck in the pride of their circular reasoning. Only Christ can lift the vail from their minds.

Have you noticed that not one person, who didn't already understand Christianity, has changed their view point because of what we have shared in Scripture with them?

Because people aren't coming to us as small children. We can't do it. I can't do it. They can't do it.

But people can come to Christ as children. I do/did. And if I do/did the most stubborn, proud person ever should be able to...

All over the place,

thats what happens

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again, my apology if these scriptures slandered you. Maybe it's just their real nature.

again, are you teally that stubborn?

your scripture did not slander me, you did

i agree with the scripture,

your problem is they have no bearing on our conversation, only YOU think they do, because you can not hear a word i am saying to find out what you THINk i a, saying is not whta i a, actually syaing

and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:15-17

yep, amen

but has no bearing on our conversation

one day you will realize this fact, or continue i. This fruitless game which is helping neither of usl

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness for he is a babe.

When first coming to the kingdom of God, accepting Jesus as your Lord an Saviour and being saved, the journey has just begun. We learn about God loving us first, and how we are to love God and love our neighbor, and to walk in that love. It is at this point we are to begin our "Study to show yourself approved. "Milk" is what is given to babies to sustain and keep them alive as they start to grow. If a person does not begin a study in the Word, they remain in this "milk" stage, saved, but naked and vulnerable to the influences of this world. We are told more about the basics of the "Milk" knowledge and consequences of not going past them here. Milk is the baby food and we are to progress onto the meat, to become Mature in the Word

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness for he is a babe.

Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing whose end is to be burned.
Hebrews 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.



2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.



1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

1 Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

1 Peter 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.


What happens after you have been saved and have fulfilled the desire of the "milk" word? That love of Gods Word, the study of it teaching you HIS righteousness, you seek after his righteousness, His right vs wrong which is found in all His word, the knowledge and wisdom found in His laws "telling" you exactly what is right to Him, that you are to follow so you do not go after the ways of your own heart, but His. And when you have done that

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.


Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Matthew 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Matthew 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

Matthew 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

Matthew 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

Matthew 6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Matthew 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

Matthew 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

Matthew 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Who are you talking to sis?

 

[SimpleGardner]

and therefore I think Paul was telling them not to make distinctions among apostles, i.e., to accept all of them.

Ah...I think Apollos was an assistant of Paul. Interesting how Paul says I planted, Apollos watered, but God provided the increase. Driving in to the point Paul surmises "neither he that plants nor he that waters in anything, but God who gives the increase."

All along Paul is fighting peoples urge to put him up on a pedestal or to "follow" him. He wishes only that men follow Jesus like he does. IMO

SG

 

[wokinluv]

...but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:3-5

The same things are what the devil is using to deceive God's creation. The devil doesn't want us to follow God's commandments and would twist His words to mean otherwise.

God said, "you would surely die"

The serpent said, "you will not surely die"

Then God gave His laws and commandments to His people but they were deceived and were led by the devil to disobey God.

Then God sent His only begotten Son to save His people from the coming wrath of God.

What do you think is the devil's deception in this last days?

"Do not listen to God, no one can keep His laws and commandments so why should you?"

"You will not surely die if you don't keep His laws and commandments"

Someone may ask, how is this possible?

And here's what the false prophets in these last days would say...

"Once saved, you are always saved."

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is LAWLESSNESS.
1 John 3:4

For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the LOVE of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

https://christianchat.com/bookmarks/confirm?content_type=post&content_id=4006565

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Do you love your brethren? Why do you judge them and call them names such as Judaizers, pharisees, lawyers, works salvationist,,,as to insult them by implying that the Jews are to be condemned and so are those that you tag these names to? This is the reason why I find it hard to believe you. Do you consider the Jews as your brethren? Do you love them? Do you love your enemies?

Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15

If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1 John 4:20-21

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. Romans 11:28-32

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Romans 11:25

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up. Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:10-12

Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. James 1:21-22

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

God bless.

Sorry man!

those scriptures do not accuse mme, offend me or anything else.

i love those scriptures, i believe them and i preach them..

the issue is you fail to comprehend the argument, you fail to comprehend what is actually being said to you because you are stuck in some mindset that you know my argument better than i do,

so your mock has fallen on death ears, and all you have done is just fuether pushed your trustworthiness out to left field,

once again, when your ready to talk about what i am really saying, come talk, we will then be able to finally have a normal discussion That may benefit both if us

No problem. Whenever you're ready to humble yourself and accept scriptures and God's words over yours.

again, are you teally that stubborn?

your scripture did not slander me, you did

i agree with the scripture,

your problem is they have no bearing on our conversation, only YOU think they do, because you can not hear a word i am saying to find out what you THINk i a, saying is not whta i a, actually syaing


yep, amen

but has no bearing on our conversation

one day you will realize this fact, or continue i. This fruitless game which is helping neither of usl

If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Peter 4:11

 

[SimpleGardner]

The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Hebrews 1:1-2

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:

Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. Romans 10:8,17

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”Matthew 19:17-19

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20

“If you love me, you will obey what I command. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
John 14:15,21,23-24

...(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)...Romans 2:12-16

...I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Hebrews 8:10, 10:16

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12

Greetings wokinluv,

No doubt Grace is amazing! And our Justification through Yahshua too! Not to forget the Calling and the gift of Godly Sorrow and Repentance!

Sadly, the admonitions of Yahshua regarding the branch that does not bear fruit/righteousness, repentance, humility etc. being cut off and discarded; Jn 15:1-2, brings no humility to many who disregard the need to become holy to demonstrate works of righteousness/Repentance and obedience. These are a continual state to those who walk humbly before YHWH!

Humility is often preached against. Humiliation is traumatic to the carnal desires and the flesh but brings life to the New Creation. We must think of how humiliating Yahshua felt being slaughtered on the cross for our sins! Suffering separation from The Heavenly Father as He became hideously sinful as He bore our sins! Yahshua declared to us as servants to Him, that we must suffer humiliation! Our disobedience to The Fathers commands are treachery and require the humiliation the Holy Spirit brings to hit it's mark and bring us down. Those who refuse this humbling are those who refuse to bear fruits unto righteousness!

Let us pray that the we all dwell/walk in humility ;Mic 6:8 before our Creator as worthy children.

SG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No problem. Whenever you're ready to humble yourself and accept scriptures and God's words over yours.

If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Peter 4:11

I am done

you cant listen, and your childish attacks and lies are boring

good luck in your walk to salvation, i hope to see you in heaven,

 

[gb9]

I am done

you cant listen, and your childish attacks and lies are boring

good luck in your walk to salvation, i hope to see you in heaven,

I think that is a wise move. they just want an echo chamber, and tell each other how great it is to trust Law keeping for salvation. hold the door. i.m leaving this too..

 

[wokinluv]

again, are you teally that stubborn?

your scripture did not slander me, you did

i agree with the scripture,

your problem is they have no bearing on our conversation, only YOU think they do, because you can not hear a word i am saying to find out what you THINk i a, saying is not whta i a, actually syaing


yep, amen

but has no bearing on our conversation

one day you will realize this fact, or continue i. This fruitless game which is helping neither of usl

No bearing as in "MEANINGLESS" for you but it is my authority.

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.Romans 13:1-7

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12

The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45

"your scripture did not slander me, you did "

Love how you post not to slander

yet you do that with almost every post

shame on you,

The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Hebrews 1:1-2

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:

Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. Romans 10:8,17

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”Matthew 19:17-19

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20

“If you love me, you will obey what I command. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
John 14:15,21,23-24

...(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)...Romans 2:12-16

...I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Hebrews 8:10, 10:16

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12

Now, can you show me where in this post above(where you made a reply saying that I slandered you) did I slander you?

These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Jude 1:16-19

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think that is a wise move. they just want an echo chamber, and tell each other how great it is to trust Law keeping for salvation. hold the door. i.m leaving this too..

Its a waste of time

i say A, he demands i keep saying B

and he continues to Boast he is right, because his pride will not see any other way

its on him, my hands are clean.

 

[wokinluv]

Its a waste of time

i say A, he demands i keep saying B

and he continues to Boast he is right, because his pride will not see any other way

its on him, my hands are clean.

When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”
Matthew 27:24

When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”
Ezekiel 3:18-21

 

[SimpleGardner]

No bearing as in "MEANINGLESS" for you but it is my authority.

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.Romans 13:1-7

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12

The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45

"your scripture did not slander me, you did "


Now, can you show me where in this post above(where you made a reply saying that I slandered you) did I slander you?

These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Jude 1:16-19

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

There is an odd technique that many on here use without even seeming to know it;

Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity.

It's either a deliberate act or a loss of sound mind; 2 Tim 1:7

SG

 

[DeighAnn]

Who are you talking to sis?

The guests who come and read, though they never post. Those who are just looking for a little direction in their lives and who maybe looking for a direction to go in.

 

[DeighAnn]

I think that is a wise move. they just want an echo chamber, and tell each other how great it is to trust Law keeping for salvation. hold the door. i.m leaving this too..

A. We keep saying we follow the laws because we have been saved, not for salvation.
B. You keep insisting we trust law for keeping salvation, and/or to be saved.

We keep saying A, you demand we keep saying B.

Do you really think that we don't believe in Jesus Christ? Do you believe we follow ALL the laws EXCEPT the ones which say we are to Love God and Love our neighbor and to walk in love? Do you believe we are not saved because we follow after the right ways of God on our own desires, knowing we have already received what they would bring? Does it bother you so much that we can love God and follow His laws at the same time believing that if you turn or deny He will turn or deny?



The real problem is the difference between "can lose salvation" or as it is otherwise put it "never was really saved". Both end up unsaved. One wasn't deceived into believing something was true that wasn't, and the other one was deceived into believing something that wasn't true, was.

You tell me, which one sounds more like GODs way?

Can lose = You accepted the gift, didn't like the rules or were deceived and turned away. You were aware that if you did not continue in the ways of God, you would lose what was given. Not that God had changed a smidgeon on His side but you had and you were aware there was a price to pay.

Never really saved = You thought you had accepted Christ, you thought you were baptized, you thought you were saved, you thought you were grafted in, you thought you were guaranteed eternal life, you thought you had fruit of the spirit for a time, but you were deceived or just wrong.

Gods word has to hold true in all situations for all people.

The whole problem with never losing your salvation, is the power of Satan and these verses which state

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

During the great tribulation, no flesh would be saved, NOT EVEN GODS ELECT, IF it was not shortened.

EVEN Gods elect would end up deceived.


Now you would have to believe that GODS ELECT were "never really saved" for that teaching to be correct. It is a delusion that one chooses to believe. If you love God and follow His commands, you will remain saved. If you don't, or quit, you won't.

 

[NayborBear]

Who are you accusing here?

can you tell the world what myself and people like me believe and what sins we are committing? Go ahead and name them, its ok, we are not afraid of being judged, if it will expose what is really going on here

This is what y'all aren't doing!
Hebrews 6
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection(Spiritual Maturity); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Can y'all not SEE that being "Christ "formed", is to ALSO be a "fellow Priest" after the Order of Melchizedek?

This is what y'all aren't doing!
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

The "sin of omission", is every bit of falling short as any sin of commission.

Here is an example of what "a" "sin of omission" sounds like:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement"; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Sickness: Mental and Physical, are a result of these "spiritual maladies."
Calamities, are result of "spiritual maladies."
One cannot love children "UNCONDITIONALLY", that are an abomination in the "eyes of God." And, proclaim they "love God UNCONDITIONALLY?" And God, and Jesus loves THEM "JUST AS UNCONDITIONALLY?"
CAN'T BE DONE!
You take God, and whom He sent as FOOLS?
You "cannot" MAKE God, nor Christ, in YOUR image of HOW they MUST be and behave!
The "son of perdition" believes he can!
Israel "believed" they could!
Pharasees and scribes "believed" they could also!

Today's "Christendom" believes they can do this too?

Do y'all see a "pattern of behavior" here?

(asking for a friend)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A. We keep saying we follow the laws because we have been saved, not for salvation.
B. You keep insisting we trust law for keeping salvation, and/or to be saved.

We keep saying A, you demand we keep saying B.

Do you really think that we don't believe in Jesus Christ? Do you believe we follow ALL the laws EXCEPT the ones which say we are to Love God and Love our neighbor and to walk in love? Do you believe we are not saved because we follow after the right ways of God on our own desires, knowing we have already received what they would bring? Does it bother you so much that we can love God and follow His laws at the same time believing that if you turn or deny He will turn or deny?



The real problem is the difference between "can lose salvation" or as it is otherwise put it "never was really saved". Both end up unsaved. One wasn't deceived into believing something was true that wasn't, and the other one was deceived into believing something that wasn't true, was.

You tell me, which one sounds more like GODs way?

Can lose = You accepted the gift, didn't like the rules or were deceived and turned away. You were aware that if you did not continue in the ways of God, you would lose what was given. Not that God had changed a smidgeon on His side but you had and you were aware there was a price to pay.

Never really saved = You thought you had accepted Christ, you thought you were baptized, you thought you were saved, you thought you were grafted in, you thought you were guaranteed eternal life, you thought you had fruit of the spirit for a time, but you were deceived or just wrong.

Gods word has to hold true in all situations for all people.

The whole problem with never losing your salvation, is the power of Satan and these verses which state

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

During the great tribulation, no flesh would be saved, NOT EVEN GODS ELECT, IF it was not shortened.

EVEN Gods elect would end up deceived.


Now you would have to believe that GODS ELECT were "never really saved" for that teaching to be correct. It is a delusion that one chooses to believe. If you love God and follow His commands, you will remain saved. If you don't, or quit, you won't.

Some of you may, some do not

they have already e posed the fact they reject eternal life is present now, they state anyone who believes it is excusing sin, and thinks they can be saved while not obedient.

this is what paul fought in gal 3,

fact is, paul said he died to the law so he could live for christ, and if he returned to what was killed (the law) it would be a far worse sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is what y'all aren't doing!
Hebrews 6
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection(Spiritual Maturity); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Can y'all not SEE that being "Christ "formed", is to ALSO be a "fellow Priest" after the Order of Melchizedek?

This is what y'all aren't doing!
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

The "sin of omission", is every bit of falling short as any sin of commission.

Here is an example of what "a" "sin of omission" sounds like:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement"; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Sickness: Mental and Physical, are a result of these "spiritual maladies."
Calamities, are result of "spiritual maladies."
One cannot love children "UNCONDITIONALLY", that are an abomination in the "eyes of God." And, proclaim they "love God UNCONDITIONALLY?" And God, and Jesus loves THEM "JUST AS UNCONDITIONALLY?"
CAN'T BE DONE!
You take God, and whom He sent as FOOLS?
You "cannot" MAKE God, nor Christ, in YOUR image of HOW they MUST be and behave!
The "son of perdition" believes he can!
Israel "believed" they could!
Pharasees and scribes "believed" they could also!

Today's "Christendom" believes they can do this too?

Do y'all see a "pattern of behavior" here?

(asking for a friend)

You still fail to comprehend the true issue of what we are trying tomsay

so asking or saying that something is a problem, based on a false concept, is already going to be troublesome

until all of you are able to humble yourselves and listen to what we are trying to say, comments like tnis you are making are fruitless.