Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Good call!
1 Samuel 15
22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
Matthew 23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Good call!
1 Samuel 15
22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
Matthew 23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Good call!
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Yes He did.
Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
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Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
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Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
so, lets use deductive reasoning here,
if you say that it is a sin not to keep the Sabbath, then logically it would follow that it is a REQUIREMENT to keep it, as I have told you that you teach, which you have denied.
so. I caught you in a lie, many times , just as I said.
try to double-speak and spin your way out of being caught all you want, anyone can go back over our exchanges and see for themselves.
if you say that it is a sin not to keep the Sabbath, then logically it would follow that it is a REQUIREMENT to keep it, as I have told you that you teach, which you have denied.
so. I caught you in a lie, many times , just as I said.
try to double-speak and spin your way out of being caught all you want, anyone can go back over our exchanges and see for themselves.
Jesus wasn`t telling them to stop keeping the law in Matthew 11. The rest He is talking about wasn`t understood or given until later.
"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;"
John 16:12-13
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
The Lord said many things that weren't understood by the people He said them to.
It doesn't mean He didn't say them.
What He said in Matthew 11 is COME TO ME AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST.
That was the caveat. You had to go to Him to receive Rest. That is what Paul explains in Galatians 3:24-25.
The law was our schoolmaster to BRING US TO CHRIST.
But, after we have come to Christ, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Same EXACT thing Christ was saying in Matthew 11:28. So no one understood (or very few) until after His Resurrection. That doesn't cause what the Lord said to be wrong or cause that He didn't say it.
Think of it like a prophecy. Its kind of like that. Maybe nobody understands it but eventually it comes to pass and then people understand.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
The Lord said many things that weren't understood by the people He said them to.
It doesn't mean He didn't say them.
What He said in Matthew 11 is COME TO ME AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST.
That was the caveat. You had to go to Him to receive Rest. That is what Paul explains in Galatians 3:24-25.
The law was our schoolmaster to BRING US TO CHRIST.
But, after we have come to Christ, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Same EXACT thing Christ was saying in Matthew 11:28. So no one understood (or very few) until after His Resurrection. That doesn't cause what the Lord said to be wrong or cause that He didn't say it.
Think of it like a prophecy. Its kind of like that. Maybe nobody understands it but eventually it comes to pass and then people understand.
No, it wasn't a prophecy. I told YOU to think of it like a prophecy because I thought you would understand it better that way.
It IS the question of the thread. It is worded differently than the way I would have asked it but I understood what the OP was trying to say. As I understand what the Lord is saying in Matthew 11:28 and what Paul explains in Galatians 3:24-25.
Did Jesus ever tell US that we no longer have to keep the law of Moses?
The real answer, the way this is worded, is not exactly. But He did say we no longer have to work at it, because He will give us rest.
It IS the question of the thread. It is worded differently than the way I would have asked it but I understood what the OP was trying to say. As I understand what the Lord is saying in Matthew 11:28 and what Paul explains in Galatians 3:24-25.
Did Jesus ever tell US that we no longer have to keep the law of Moses?
The real answer, the way this is worded, is not exactly. But He did say we no longer have to work at it, because He will give us rest.
If you study what Jesus said about His actions on the Sabbath you will find no violations. He did violate the traditions of the Pharisees but he did not violate the Law. He said He is Lord of the Sabbath and what he meant by that is that He had sole authority to interpret the Law. Which again, if you study the incidents you find Him interpreting the Law for us as He explains his actions.
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Point of contention.....Point of contention!
Agreeing with your assessment of Nicodemus's scholarship. Does in no wise indicate that he "entered into" the Kingdom of God.
What is more likely the case? Is that Nicodemus, because of his knowledge of the O.T. knew HOW "the world"
DEALT with Prophets and Priests of God! They KILLED THEM!
Even though Nicodemus didn't understand n'ary a word Jesus was telling him? He did understand that Jesus wasn't going to be around very long "talking THAT talk", and "walking THAT walk!" Meaning, Nicodemus understood the "ways of man!" (of the which we find more then a coupla "Nicodemuses" within these very thread/s, as well as in the world around us.....
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Paying "homage" concerning Christ's burial? Shows wisdom! Nothing MORE!
Agreeing with your assessment of Nicodemus's scholarship. Does in no wise indicate that he "entered into" the Kingdom of God.
What is more likely the case? Is that Nicodemus, because of his knowledge of the O.T. knew HOW "the world"
DEALT with Prophets and Priests of God! They KILLED THEM!
Even though Nicodemus didn't understand n'ary a word Jesus was telling him? He did understand that Jesus wasn't going to be around very long "talking THAT talk", and "walking THAT walk!" Meaning, Nicodemus understood the "ways of man!" (of the which we find more then a coupla "Nicodemuses" within these very thread/s, as well as in the world around us.....
)Paying "homage" concerning Christ's burial? Shows wisdom! Nothing MORE!
I like this guy!
I'd bet ya (if I were a betting man), that you'd be hard pressed in finding anyone, in CC, or anywheres else for that matter, in an "admitting" that they even could be "one of those" that Jesus "turns away!"
I'd bet ya (if I were a betting man), that you'd be hard pressed in finding anyone, in CC, or anywheres else for that matter, in an "admitting" that they even could be "one of those" that Jesus "turns away!"
I try to repent early and often and I want to be the best Christian I can be though I come up short at times.
I go hard at people sometimes, especially online but I am already guilty of not sharing Jesus with people as much as I should have. I have some concerns about that. There`s been plenty of times I chickened out because I didn`t want somebody to dislike me. I know it`s important to tell people the truth about the scriptures and for what God has allowed me to know I feel a responsibility.
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
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This copy and paste adds quite a bit to the scriptures it addresses and avoids scriptures it cannot twist up enough. It`s a sad effort but since this isn`t original work I won`t bother addressing point by point. I`m sure your source would have liked credit for the work and I don`t think it speaks well for you to steal someone elses article. Still, this piece is a weak piece of work. it does nothing for your case.
It`s amateur hour
It`s amateur hour
Greetings RS,
Keep in mind;
(Mat 7:6 KJV) Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Doesn't apply to all rebuttals, but to many of them it seems to fit quite well....
SG
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I know what you mean! It's better to shed the notion that the crowd is the one to please. Just the opposite. Yahshua Himself would have been kicked off most missionary boards for how few hHe had to call His own in the three years of His ministry.
Yep, the old litmus of having frineds proofs your worth is now just the opposite, especially in these days of binary separation of the masses into their respective "bundles"
SG
Hey, Simple!
We were wondering where our favorite legalist went.
We've had to fight with RS because you were gone. And now you say we aren't even worth fighting with... How sad.
Maybe one of the other legalists will come in and help out. Not sure though, no one really likes being on the losing team.
We were wondering where our favorite legalist went.
We've had to fight with RS because you were gone. And now you say we aren't even worth fighting with... How sad.
Maybe one of the other legalists will come in and help out. Not sure though, no one really likes being on the losing team.
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I had to think about this a bit but the verse is for future believers so in that respect you are right.
I`ve just always thought about it in terms of the first post on this thread. If you look at it, the poster is wrestling with the differences between what Jesus told His crowd to do and what Paul told his crowd to do. It`s what got me started in creating all this controversy over the Jesus gospel / Paul gospel things. It all goes back to that first post in this thread.
I`ve just always thought about it in terms of the first post on this thread. If you look at it, the poster is wrestling with the differences between what Jesus told His crowd to do and what Paul told his crowd to do. It`s what got me started in creating all this controversy over the Jesus gospel / Paul gospel things. It all goes back to that first post in this thread.