Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[DeighAnn]

True or False?
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

I am going with true. I hope you don't mind me asking, but why this post?

 

[PS]

He was

Abraham was declaired righteous (it never said he was rihteous)

Do you ever read?

You are not making sense.

Where does Genesis 15 say Abram was saved?

 

[RickStudies]

You said Abram was saved in Genesis 15. That is why I responded with the question, "Is being righteous the same as being saved?"

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Gen 15:6 KJV)

The verse is saying the Lord credited it to him. In a way salvation is the same under all convenants. Before the cross salvation came by believing and obeying what God said. The real redemption is the 1st ressurrection.

Ephesians 1

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

 

[DeighAnn]

What tense is this judgement by the Law? Past, present or future?

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

but doesn't this say if you follow the law you will be judged by the law, but if you toss the law out, you just die?

 

[RickStudies]

Nothing interfears with my beliefe eternal life is eternal. It is where my hope is according to paul and john, if you want to have hope in conditional life, thats on you not me,

I do not have a problem, you do. Your the one complaining. Not me.

You apologize to me one minute and then tell me off the next You had me thinking I was wrong about you briefly.

 

[DeighAnn]

He does not comprehend that the law leads us to faith, which was its intended purpose, so when you come to faith in christ, you establish the law, or make it stand (true)

Can you bring someone to Christ without teaching the law?

 

[PS]

The verse is saying the Lord credited it to him. In a way salvation is the same under all convenants. Before the cross salvation came by believing and obeying what God said. The real redemption is the 1st ressurrection.

Ephesians 1

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Subject: And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Gen 15:6 KJV)

Question: Is being credited as righteous (to be right with God) the same as being saved?

Answer, No.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But doesn't the blood of Jesus forgive one the same as all? If so, what point are you making here?

My point is if your going to tell people they have to follow one, you better tell them they have to follow all.

 

[RickStudies]

Subject: And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Gen 15:6 KJV)

Question: Is being credited as righteous (to be right with God) the same as being saved?

Answer, No.

Why not? Would God punish a righteous man?

 

[posthuman]

Thx. I appriciate that. I declared multiple times that I know the Law was never a salvation but I still got treated like I want us all to move to Israel and put on one of those little hats.

I don't understand how yamakas don't fall off your head

 

[PS]

Why not? Would God punish a righteous man?

It requires something on our part. That we accept God's free gift of salvation.

 

[posthuman]

When I gave my life to Christ as a child, I knew nothing of the law except I was a sinner. I suppose that sums up the law.

The law is actually full of amazing types of and revelations about Christ.

 

[RickStudies]

My point is if your going to tell people they have to follow one, you better tell them they have to follow all.

What if I tell them to follow this one?

2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

 

[RickStudies]

It requires something on our part. That we accept God's free gift of salvation.

Righteous not necessary?

 

[posthuman]

I believe the gospel. Mostly, you three guys have issue with me because you don`t like what the scriptures I posted up say.

Once again the Bible tells us Jesus had to shed His blood in order for mans sins to be forgiven. That`s past, present and future sin.
An the difference between salvation after Pentecost and before is the earnest of the Spirit which is a down payment on our redemption at the 1st ressurrection.

Since this isn`t the first time I posted this it`s written better then it was before when I posted about Pre Pentecost first and Post Pentecost second. But same point, same info.

All this bothers you three for some reason which usually means some kind of doctrine error that overlooks sins.

Hmm you wrote a lot of words but I don't see that you answered any of the questions you responded to. You should meet this guy I know, SG, you remind me of him. He's oddly been missing ever since you joined the forum, tho. Hope he's OK.

If Moses and Elijah were unforgiven how did they appear with Christ transfigured?

Did you notice a few days ago when I asked about how if the Atonement transcends time - seeing that you agree, sins throughout time have been washed by His blood at a certain time - whether salvation, being accomplished through the same transcendent work, likewise transcends time?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you bring someone to Christ without teaching the law?

Yeah how? HS shows them through convicting them how? Because gods moral code is written in our dna, we know what is wrong and right, we chose to deny it, thats why we have no excuse

 

[posthuman]

Mostly, you three guys have issue with me because you don`t like what the scriptures I posted up say.

Should I assume that you ignore the questions and the scriptures I ask because you hate the scripture I remind you of, or would that be unsubstantiated slander?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are not saying Paul was saying they needed to sacrifice animals are you?

I am saying paul said if your going to follow one command, you are indebted to follow every one,

Those are pauls words. Not mine

 

[PS]

Righteous not necessary?

Even the wicked can be saved if they believe in God and accept His gift of salvation.

I was looking for something in Gen. 15 that said Abram was saved. I cannot see it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I like to say that we do it because we are saved instead of to be saved. Then your words and works become evidence of salvation that other people can see.

So what works should we perform so people can see, the jews did the works of the law. How did that help them