Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[PS]

Moses did not even enter the promised land.. he killed one egyptian,

And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Num 31:9-18)

What does God, who is spirit want with gold?

We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD. And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels. And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels. (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.) And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.

(Num 31:50-54 KJV)

 

[PS]

And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
(Exo 32:28 KJV)

 

[posthuman]

And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Num 31:9-18)

What does God, who is spirit want with gold?

We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD. And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels. And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels. (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.) And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.

(Num 31:50-54 KJV)

John 5:46-47
If you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Num 31:9-18)

What does God, who is spirit want with gold?

We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD. And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels. And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels. (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.) And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.

(Num 31:50-54 KJV)

Thanks

Moses was not there

He killed no one

 

[PS]

John 5:46-47
If you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?

I believe Jesus and I believe the Bible. If you want more of Moses read Deuteronomy chapter 3.

Point being, the I AM brought the people out of Egypt by natural means, famine and plague etc. Had they continued to follow the I AM he would have led them safely into the land He had promised. As it was, Moses who had been a commander in the Egyptian Army, turned to the sword.

 

[PS]

Thanks

Moses was not there

He killed no one

Hitler did not kill anyone either!

Now relate this to the Mosaic Law and you will find the death penalty by stoning and other means was the norm. The 6th commandment says not to kill......

 

[PS]

Thanks

Moses was not there

He killed no one

By the way, Moses commanded it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hitler did not kill anyone either!

Now relate this to the Mosaic Law and you will find the death penalty by stoning and other means was the norm. The 6th commandment says not to kill......

Actually hitler did, not only in ww1 but Ww2

The children of isreal were sent in by GOD and told by GOD to kill all inhabitants, not moses

Your giving moses credit when it should be given to god.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By the way, Moses commanded it.

No, God did

You scare me man!

 

[RickStudies]

So after Paul's conversion would you say he was still under the law?

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

(Rom 8:2 KJV)

In the book of Acts, chapter 21 Paul takes a vow and pays the expense of 4 others also taking the same vow to prove that he keeps the Law of Moses. This occured in Jerusalem, it`s at the end of his missionary work because he is about to be put in prison and sent to Rome.
It`s many years after his conversion.

It`s a very good probability that Paul kept the Mosaic Law his whole life. At a minimum, he kept it when he was with Jews.

 

[RickStudies]

quoting 1 Corinthians 10:4 to you, to establish that Christ is at work throughout time, isn't trolling.



you said it yourself: so if the atonement at the cross transcends time, and Christ Himself transcends time, is it unthinkable that His salvation also transcends time? past, present & future. you will find in the NT the believer 'has been saved' and 'is being saved' and 'shall be saved' -- by the Alpha & Omega who is, who was, and who is to come. God, who calls that which is not, as though it is.

You didn`t establish anything. You were playing games by bombarding me with irrelevant questions. 1 Corintians 10:4 is a teaching from the Torah using Biblical foreshawdow. Paul often taught by quoting the Torah. Many examples exist throughout the epistles.

If I go out and by something on credit I owe a debt. The debt will not go away until I pay it. People before the cross had a promise of salvation but their sin debt was paid until the cross.

It`s not rocket science, it just apparently doesn`t agree with your creed, whatever it is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In the book of Acts, chapter 21 Paul takes a vow and pays the expense of 4 others also taking the same vow to prove that he keeps the Law of Moses. This occured in Jerusalem, it`s at the end of his missionary work because he is about to be put in prison and sent to Rome.
It`s many years after his conversion.

It`s a very good probability that Paul kept the Mosaic Law his whole life. At a minimum, he kept it when he was with Jews.

He kept it?

Says who?

Who can keep the law?

Now when he was with jews he acted as if with the jews, but no one can keep the law. Only christ did

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You didn`t establish anything. You were playing games by bombarding me with irrelevant questions. 1 Corintians 10:4 is a teaching from the Torah using Biblical foreshawdow. Paul often taught by quoting the Torah. Many examples exist throughout the epistles.

If I go out and by something on credit I owe a debt. The debt will not go away until I pay it. People before the cross had a promise of salvation but their sin debt was paid until the cross.

It`s not rocket science, it just apparently doesn`t agree with your creed, whatever it is.

You mean the OT?

What do you keep calling it the torah, only hebrews roots does this

 

[RickStudies]

You still have not answered. How does my faith in christ establish the law?

I have stated numerous time the law will be active as long as this world is alive, so lets not go there, just answer how my faith establishes the law

There are no scriptures that say your faith establishes the Law. You need to restate your question or explain the likely, man made doctrine you are trying inject into this. Your sentence is like saying that faith can establish God`s commandments. It doesn`t make sense, its almost heretical sounding.

 

[RickStudies]

He kept it?

Says who?

Paul says he did in Acts 21.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are no scriptures that say your faith establishes the Law. You need to restate your question or explain the likely, man made doctrine you are trying inject into this. Your sentence is like saying that faith can establish God`s commandments. It doesn`t make sense, its almost heretical sounding.

Rom 3: 31. Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Through faith is the context here

Do we acoid the law though it? On the contrary, we establish the law

So once again,

How does my faith in christ establish the law?

Are you going to answer or not? Because i personally am getting sick of your avoiding my question.

The answer is quite easy, if you just open your eyes and look at it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul says he did in Acts 21.

So then why did paul need christ? He saved himself by fulfilling the requirements of the law?

 

[RickStudies]

You mean the OT?

What do you keep calling it the torah, only hebrews roots does this

Let`s not start throwing out insults. Ok?

The word Torah is simply an english word for the Jewish Bible. The word is used by Jews, Messianic believers and some Christians. It`s hardly exclusive to Hebrew Root cultists.

 

[Grandpa]

You have to be filled with the Spirit

Romans 8
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

What is the law of sin and death?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let`s not start throwing out insults. Ok?

The word Torah is simply an english word for the Jewish Bible. The word is used by Jews, Messianic believers and some Christians. It`s hardly exclusive to Hebrew Root cultists.

No, actually it is a jewish word, (translated into english) most of us the english term (ot) or (law and prophets)

When people use torah, it usually sends out a red flag. (From my experience)

Ps, the insult is speaking to be using a hebrew term i am not hebrew, speak to me in my own language)