Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Yes... They RESISTED! They were hearing what was said and understood.. but refused to accept it. They did the doing.
Calvinists claim that God can not be resisted when he picks someone.
That He rolls you over with a steam roller, and then rolls you up into being saved somehow, without you choosing to believe.
In other words?
God is causing all the evil in the world by not giving all irresistible grace!
We are still free to think for ourselves, thank God.
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You still didn't answer my question re John 17 and why in Jesus's High Priestly prayer he explicitly excluded the world for whom he allegedly died.
And you really meant to say, "He died for all to POTENTIALLY remove....", right? It's really up to man's "free" will decision as to whether or not he wants Christ to do that, isn't it?
I see you're still stuck on your Satan trip. First, you basically implied that Satan would stand divided against himself because he would take up the defense of sinners with God because they didn't get a fair shake. Now you flip that argument around to where sinners would blame Satan for that they will be condemned for. Cute.
But this argument is as lame as your first one.
Judas was possessed by the devil when he betrayed Jesus, yet afterwards he felt guilty, returned the money to the priests in the temple and confessed to them that he (not the devil within him!) had betrayed innocent blood (Mat 27:3-4).
Simon the Sorcerer, after being severely rebuked by Peter for wanting to buy the gift of the Holy Spirit from, did not contest Peter's charges against him, and in fact asked the apostle to pray for him so that nothing worse would happen to him (Act 8:9-24). Clearly, Simon knew he was guilty as charged!
A&E in the Garden knew they were guilty, since they ran and hid from God and tried to hide their shame with fig leaves; yet, both of them played the blame game when confronted by God, didn't they? They knew they were guilty but didn't want to own it! So what? Does God judge by outward appearances (talk) or by what's in the heart? How many thousands upon thousands of people every day appear before some judge or magistrate and plead not guilty to the charges against them even they know they are guilty? This is what sinners commonly do! It's all part of being enslaved to their self-deceived hearts, so they just do what comes naturally and "freely" choose TO deny guilt because they prefer their freedom to a prison cell. (To their credit, at least they do understand that they can't be free and a prisoner simultaneously, as some around here believe.
Finally, God decreed in the Garden that mankind would consist of two kinds of seeds: The Seed of the Woman and the the Seed of the Serpent. And so it has always been and always will be. Saints and Sinners. Sheep and Goats. Elect and non-elect. Righteous and Unrighteous, Children of Light and Children of Darkness, etc.
Understand this: All men know they are sinners and,therefore, know they are guilty. All men know they should have made better choices by virtue of that guilt. When A&E ran and hid from God, they knew in their heart of hearts that they should not have eaten. They knew they should have listened to God. They knew they should have done better. Should have done differently.
P.S. One more thing: All souls are God's property -- the elect and non-elect alike (Ezek 18:4)!
And you really meant to say, "He died for all to POTENTIALLY remove....", right? It's really up to man's "free" will decision as to whether or not he wants Christ to do that, isn't it?
I see you're still stuck on your Satan trip. First, you basically implied that Satan would stand divided against himself because he would take up the defense of sinners with God because they didn't get a fair shake. Now you flip that argument around to where sinners would blame Satan for that they will be condemned for. Cute.
But this argument is as lame as your first one.Judas was possessed by the devil when he betrayed Jesus, yet afterwards he felt guilty, returned the money to the priests in the temple and confessed to them that he (not the devil within him!) had betrayed innocent blood (Mat 27:3-4).
Simon the Sorcerer, after being severely rebuked by Peter for wanting to buy the gift of the Holy Spirit from, did not contest Peter's charges against him, and in fact asked the apostle to pray for him so that nothing worse would happen to him (Act 8:9-24). Clearly, Simon knew he was guilty as charged!
A&E in the Garden knew they were guilty, since they ran and hid from God and tried to hide their shame with fig leaves; yet, both of them played the blame game when confronted by God, didn't they? They knew they were guilty but didn't want to own it! So what? Does God judge by outward appearances (talk) or by what's in the heart? How many thousands upon thousands of people every day appear before some judge or magistrate and plead not guilty to the charges against them even they know they are guilty? This is what sinners commonly do! It's all part of being enslaved to their self-deceived hearts, so they just do what comes naturally and "freely" choose TO deny guilt because they prefer their freedom to a prison cell. (To their credit, at least they do understand that they can't be free and a prisoner simultaneously, as some around here believe.
Finally, God decreed in the Garden that mankind would consist of two kinds of seeds: The Seed of the Woman and the the Seed of the Serpent. And so it has always been and always will be. Saints and Sinners. Sheep and Goats. Elect and non-elect. Righteous and Unrighteous, Children of Light and Children of Darkness, etc.
Understand this: All men know they are sinners and,therefore, know they are guilty. All men know they should have made better choices by virtue of that guilt. When A&E ran and hid from God, they knew in their heart of hearts that they should not have eaten. They knew they should have listened to God. They knew they should have done better. Should have done differently.
P.S. One more thing: All souls are God's property -- the elect and non-elect alike (Ezek 18:4)!
Yes.. God knows all things.
He knows all souls who will believe in Him.
But, Ephesians 1:4 does not mean he chose us because he knew we would believe.
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
Ephesians 1:4 is written to the Church!
Not to all other believers in history outside of the Church age.
We have been chosen for something specific that other ages have not been chosen for.
Where was Eve before the Lord put Adam into a deep sleep to remove his rib?
Her body's substance was hidden in Adam!
And, where is our resurrection body now?
IN HIM!
Ephesians 1:4 is declaring that we were chosen by God to be found in Jesus when the Resurrection takes place!
We will be declared to be, 'bone of his bone. And, flesh of his glorious flesh!'
Eve = the bride of Adam. (bone of Adam's bone and flesh of his flesh!)
And? The Church= the bride of Christ!
Right now the very substance of our resurrection bodies is where? Hidden in Christ!
If you were to look at Jesus now?
You would only see Him.
Yet? You would also be seeing what our resurrection body is to be made of!
That is what we were chosen for before the foundation of the world!
He knows all souls who will believe in Him.
But, Ephesians 1:4 does not mean he chose us because he knew we would believe.
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
Ephesians 1:4 is written to the Church!
Not to all other believers in history outside of the Church age.
We have been chosen for something specific that other ages have not been chosen for.
Where was Eve before the Lord put Adam into a deep sleep to remove his rib?
Her body's substance was hidden in Adam!
And, where is our resurrection body now?
IN HIM!
Ephesians 1:4 is declaring that we were chosen by God to be found in Jesus when the Resurrection takes place!
We will be declared to be, 'bone of his bone. And, flesh of his glorious flesh!'
Eve = the bride of Adam. (bone of Adam's bone and flesh of his flesh!)
And? The Church= the bride of Christ!
Right now the very substance of our resurrection bodies is where? Hidden in Christ!
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ
(by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together
in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:4-6
If you were to look at Jesus now?
You would only see Him.
Yet? You would also be seeing what our resurrection body is to be made of!
That is what we were chosen for before the foundation of the world!
No! God's anger is justified because all sinners KNOW they are guilty! See my 9347 that I just wrote. Also, you should read Pink's reply to this own Fourth Question that many NR present. While Natural Man is morally-spiritually impotent, which accounts for why he "cannot", we must not forget that his inability is also voluntary , i.e. he cannot because he will not. He cannot because he loves the darkness and hates the light. He cannot because he loves his sinful lifestyle. It was decreed that Judas should betray the Christ. But even more than this: the devil possessed his soul in the doing of this crime. But...didn't Judas own his own sin? Did he blame God or Satan for his actions?
Here's another spiritually profound excerpt from Pink on this subject. He basically asked: How is it just for God to require of man what is beyond our own power to perform? Here's his answer:
That God does require what is beyond our own power to render—is clear from many scriptures. God gave the Law to Israel at Sinai and demanded a full compliance with it, and solemnly pointed out what would be the consequences of their disobedience (see Deut. 28). But will any readers be so foolish as to affirm that Israel were capable of fully obeying the Law! If they do, we would refer them to Romans 8:3 where we are expressly told, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh".
Come now to the New Testament. Take such passages as Matthew 5:48, "Be therefore perfect—even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect". 1 Corinthians 15:34, "Awake to righteousness, and sin not". 1 John 2:1, "My little children, these things I write unto you, that you sin not". Will any reader say he is capable in himself of complying with these demands of God? If so, it is useless for us to argue with him.
But now the question arises, Why has God demanded of man—that which he is incapable of performing? The first answer is, Because God refuses to lower His standard to the level of our sinful infirmities. Being perfect, God must set a perfect standard before us. Still we must ask, if man is incapable of measuring up to God's standard, wherein lies his responsibility? Difficult as the problem seems—it is nevertheless capable of a simple and satisfactory solution.
Man is responsible to (1st) acknowledge before God his inability, and (2nd) to cry unto Him for enabling grace. Surely this will be admitted by every Christian reader. It is my bounden duty to own before God my ignorance, my weakness, my sinfulness, my impotence to comply with His holy and just requirements. It is also my bounden duty, as well as blessed privilege, to earnestly beseech God to give me that wisdom, strength, grace, which will enable me to do that which is pleasing in His sight; to ask Him to work in me "both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
In like manner, the sinner, every sinner, is responsible to call upon the Lord. Of himself he can neither repent nor believe. He can neither come to Christ, nor turn from his sins. God tells him so; and his first duty is to "set to his seal that God is true". His second duty is to cry unto God for His enabling power—to ask God in mercy to overcome his enmity, and "draw" him to Christ; to bestow upon him the gifts of repentance and faith. If he will do so, sincerely from the heart, then most surely God will respond to his appeal, for it is written, "For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Romans 10:13).
Here's another spiritually profound excerpt from Pink on this subject. He basically asked: How is it just for God to require of man what is beyond our own power to perform? Here's his answer:
That God does require what is beyond our own power to render—is clear from many scriptures. God gave the Law to Israel at Sinai and demanded a full compliance with it, and solemnly pointed out what would be the consequences of their disobedience (see Deut. 28). But will any readers be so foolish as to affirm that Israel were capable of fully obeying the Law! If they do, we would refer them to Romans 8:3 where we are expressly told, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh".
Come now to the New Testament. Take such passages as Matthew 5:48, "Be therefore perfect—even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect". 1 Corinthians 15:34, "Awake to righteousness, and sin not". 1 John 2:1, "My little children, these things I write unto you, that you sin not". Will any reader say he is capable in himself of complying with these demands of God? If so, it is useless for us to argue with him.
But now the question arises, Why has God demanded of man—that which he is incapable of performing? The first answer is, Because God refuses to lower His standard to the level of our sinful infirmities. Being perfect, God must set a perfect standard before us. Still we must ask, if man is incapable of measuring up to God's standard, wherein lies his responsibility? Difficult as the problem seems—it is nevertheless capable of a simple and satisfactory solution.
Man is responsible to (1st) acknowledge before God his inability, and (2nd) to cry unto Him for enabling grace. Surely this will be admitted by every Christian reader. It is my bounden duty to own before God my ignorance, my weakness, my sinfulness, my impotence to comply with His holy and just requirements. It is also my bounden duty, as well as blessed privilege, to earnestly beseech God to give me that wisdom, strength, grace, which will enable me to do that which is pleasing in His sight; to ask Him to work in me "both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
In like manner, the sinner, every sinner, is responsible to call upon the Lord. Of himself he can neither repent nor believe. He can neither come to Christ, nor turn from his sins. God tells him so; and his first duty is to "set to his seal that God is true". His second duty is to cry unto God for His enabling power—to ask God in mercy to overcome his enmity, and "draw" him to Christ; to bestow upon him the gifts of repentance and faith. If he will do so, sincerely from the heart, then most surely God will respond to his appeal, for it is written, "For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Romans 10:13).
