Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

so I don't know if he just liked certain people more than other people.

Just using this portion of your post for a purpose...nothing towards you <3

The Bible explicitly claims God is LOVE.
What you wrote does not represent what God claims to be.

 

[selahsays]

Nobody loved God before God loved them.

Right…Not in this earth age.

 

[Magenta]

Right…Not in this earth age.

I am not sure what you are trying to convey with that statement. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

 

[selahsays]

I am not sure what you are trying to convey with that statement. Are you disagreeing?

Lol. No, I‘m not.

 

[LeeLoving]

Just using this portion of your post for a purpose...nothing towards you <3

The Bible explicitly claims God is LOVE.
What you wrote does not represent what God claims to be.

I don't know what you're talking about to be honest.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I don't know what you're talking about to be honest.

I know that.

 

[Magenta]

Lol. No, I‘m not.

Sorry, I really couldn't tell! "This earth age" kinda threw me. What else do we know at this point? Is something going to change later whereby people love God first? Questions like that sprang to my mind. Haha.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I don't know what you're talking about to be honest.

If God is LOVE, why would He choose 3/4 of His creation to burn in Hell forever?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

^
Is Heaven only big enough to fit 1/4 of Creation?

 

[LeeLoving]

If God is LOVE, why would He choose 3/4 of His creation to burn in Hell forever?

Well he loves them enough to let them do whatever they want, and then some people he chooses according to foreknowledge. Like I said I think it says somewhere in the New Testament that people are chosen because of their lowly position to sort of overturn the wise, but again I might be way off. I don't remember the wording so I can't look for it online. It makes sense though considering God is just and holy and we are sinful. I just can't remember what it says, so I guess take it for what it's worth.

 

[MerSee]

So could it be that anyone who comes to Jesus is elect?

That too is disputed. Possibly the greatest point of contention is the belief that God chooses ahead of time who will not be saved. This is not by foreknowledge, but by divine decree. It is like saying to someone, there is no chance of salvation for you, the good news that Jesus died for all is not for you, drawing near to God will do you no good, as He has already closed that door, and furthermore, God will punish you forever after for failing to make a choice that was never intended for you in the first place.

The other question many people would ponder is, "Why would a loving God create so many people He foreknew would go to hell?"

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Well he loves them enough to let them do whatever they want, and then some people he chooses according to foreknowledge. Like I said I think it says somewhere in the New Testament that people are chosen because of their lowly position to sort of overturn the wise, but again I might be way off. I don't remember the wording so I can't look for it online. It makes sense though considering God is just and holy and we are sinful. I just can't remember what it says, so I guess take it for what it's worth.

Wonderful Answer!


Free Will!
I agree with you.
A God of LOVE allows Free Will to accept or reject Him.

 

[MerSee]

Yes. “to those who love God” …and believe!

The very first time an elected person from way back when hears the Gospel for the first time, he will always come.

Do you really believe the first time they hear/are taught correct Biblical doctrine, they will believe?

 

[Magenta]

Well he loves them enough to let them do whatever they want, and then some people he chooses according to foreknowledge. Like I said I think it says somewhere in the New Testament that people are chosen because of their lowly position to sort of overturn the wise, but again I might be way off. I don't remember the wording so I can't look for it online. It makes sense though considering God is just and holy and we are sinful. I just can't remember what it says, so I guess take it for what it's worth.

First Corinthians 1:27.

 

[MerSee]

Nobody loved God before God loved them.

Is God's love unconditional?

God's love in unconditional for those who find it.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Every human being is a "broken person."
We all have crutches.
Some crutches are intellect, money, fame, power, position, etc
Those who are saved know that their crutch to lean on and depend upon is God.

 

[MerSee]

Hebrews 9:26-28
26 For then he ought to have suffered often from the beginning of the world: but now once at the end of ages, he hath appeared for the destruction of sin, by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment. 28 So also Christ was offered once to exhaust the sins of many; the second time he shall appear without sin to them that expect him unto salvation.

 

[selahsays]

Do you really believe the first time they hear/are taught correct Biblical doctrine, they will believe?

Yes, I believe so.

 

[Rufus]

I have answered your question why Paul wrote verse 11 the way he did and it says it for itself.

11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad — in order that God's purpose in election might stand:

Paul doesn't say God told me this, he writes it the way he understands it to be.

So, if any Pauline passage doesn't conform to your above formula, this gives us license to do doubt divine authority of the text? Or it gives us the right to reduce the text to mere human opinion? Can you show us in all of Paul's works where he has followed your formula?

 

[Rufus]

1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

Natural Revelation does not reveal the Gospel. It only reveals general truths about God. Special Revelation is what reveals gospel truth to men -- and only then if the Holy Spirit opens a mind to understand it.