Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

Paul could be a butler from Bangladesh. It wouldn't matter. If he was writing his favorite lambchop recipe and under inspiration, it's the word of God.

Because the RCC said so?
Do you serve the Pope?

I believe he wrote Inspired but there's places when it's only his opinion....like Women cannot preach because He (Paul) does not permit it?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

When Paul writes...I DO NOT PERMIT...
Is that Paul's own personal viewpoint because Jesus never said that?

 

[Cameron143]

Because the RCC said so?
Do you serve the Pope?

I believe he wrote Inspired but there's places when it's only his opinion....like Women cannot preach because He (Paul) does not permit it?

I love how people will imply things about you when their defense from scripture falls apart.
Believe as you will, but I don't think you understand inspiration.

 

[Cameron143]

When Paul writes...I DO NOT PERMIT...
Is that Paul's own viewpoint because Jesus never said that?

He said it through Paul. That's how inspiration works.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I love how people will imply things about you when their defense from scripture falls apart.
Believe as you will, but I don't think you understand inspiration.

I don't think you understand opinion which is basically the majority of what your posts include.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

He said it through Paul. That's how inspiration works.

If this is true it would read Jesus said so through me.

 

[Cameron143]

I don't think you understand opinion which is basically the majority of what your posts include.

Touche.

 

[Cameron143]

If this is true it would read Jesus said so through me.

Is that what other biblical writers say?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

The view of a large majority of modern scholars of 1 Timothy is that the epistle was not written by Paul, but dates to after Paul's death and has an unknown author. As a pseudepigraphical work incorrectly attributed to Paul, the verse is often described as deutero-Pauline literature or as a pastoral epistle.
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If this is true, it's not Inspired but put there for a reason to keep women from preaching...almost reminds me of the RCC

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

To me, Paul would always write this is from GOD, not write it in first person format like it's his own authority.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

To me, Paul would always write this is from GOD, not write it in first person format like it's his own authority.

Perfect example of Paul using GOD to back what he writes.

34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.


We know the LAW is GOD.


Paul would never say it on his own authority. He would ALWAYS accredit God.

 

[Burn1986]

for the Unjust/Nonelect/Unsaved whose names are not written in The Book of Life?

Revelation 21:27
There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb

I’m gonna say - the latter. Are you just making threads to make them? You know… you don’t have to make a thread out of everything that pops into your head. Just sayin

 

[selahsays]

Actually, "they are definite proof of our Father's [sacrificial] love for his people. God's love for his elect is conditioned on the obedience of the Son! God cannot love sin or the sinner. And he can't love the latter because sinners' hearts are the wellspring of evil. There's nothing good in a sinner's heart or his unregenerate nature. This is another very hot, highly disputed, uber-controversial topic in the church, and as such it deserves a thread of its own. But I'll just give two mind-blowing passages for you to contemplate and perhaps these will also encourage you to take up your own study.

John 10:17
17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
NIV

In other words, the reason the Father loved his Son is because Jesus was obedient unto death (Php 2:8).

And,

Rom 8:39
39... neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
NIV

Far too many Christians gloss over this text completely missing a profound truth. I think most just interpret the passage as though Paul stopped at the phrase "love of God". In other words, nothing will be able to separate us from the love of God...Period! But Paul didn't stop there! He actually qualified God's love with the bolded phrase at the end. The immeasurable love that God has for his saints comes in and through Christ Jesus -- who just happens to be the Federal Head of the Church -- of His Body -- of all God's elect. In eternity God loved all his elect on this basis of Christ's Federal Headship, and of course the Son's perfect obedience in all things all the time.

And I'll share one more text because of its profound implications. This is the kind passage one must prayerfully meditate on in order to get to the meat of what is being taught. I love this passage!

Titus 1:1-2
1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness— 2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
NIV

The phrase I want to focus on is bolded. The question begging to be asked is: To whom did God make this promise before the beginning of time? It can't be us, for none of us were around before time began, were we? This promise could have only been made to the Son in eternity -- in eternity when God predestined all his elect for salvation. So...because all God's saints share in Christ's inheritance, Paul is really saying that because of our position in Christ we even share in the promises God made to Him before the world began. We are recipients of those promises by virtue of our identity with Christ -- who, again, is our Federal Head.

It's no wonder Paul could also say, "For from him and through him and to him are all things" (Rom 11:36).

Anyhow...lot's to chew on, sister. But I am very joyful that you're beginning to see some very profound gospel truths.

Please, would you start a new thread on the sacrificial love of God for His people? Again, thanks for kindly sharing.

 

[selahsays]

Were you a sinner when Christ died for you due to His great and everlasting love for you?

If I may, the answer is “Yes!”

 

[Rufus]

If people read what Paul desires from his own reasoning and wants to equal that to God, how can anyone debate that?
To me, it's his opinion.

When someone writes: I DO NOT PERMIT that comes from SELF, not from God.

So you categorically reject apostolic authority?

 

[Rufus]

Please, would you start a new thread on the sacrificial love of God for His people? Again, thanks for kindly sharing.

Perhaps down the road a piece. Right now I have too much on my platter, including selling my house and moving.

 

[selahsays]

Please, would you start a new thread on the sacrificial love of God for His people? Again, thanks for kindly sharing.

God bless.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

So you categorically reject apostolic authority?

I do not believe God has given any man authority to speak for God. If anyone would have had it Moses would have. But when Moses struck the rock on his own action he was banned from the Promised Land. God's ways are higher than man so why would God give man such authority?

Your issue, the Reformed issue, is that you desperately NEED Paul for your doctrine. He is subject to God like all men are. He does not have such authority like you want to believe.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

My doctrine is based off the very words of God.
But the Reformed doctrine cannot exist without Paul.
That is Idolatry!

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

My Bible and doctrine is based off of this Authority only:
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

That eliminates every created being like Paul and anyone else that has been born of a woman and lived.