Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[Niki7]

It's a yearly physical so I can keep my insurance. But I really go because the doctor lets me pick out something from the "treasure chest." MMMMMMMMMMMMMM them balloon bubble gum pops suckers are da bomb

I had to stop eating them cause I crunch the hard candy and my molars do not appreciate it

but otherwise, yeah. good

 

[7thMoon]

I was using the other poster's words to get him to respond but Jesus is Salvation, not needs salvation.

How do dead people need salvation? Nobody knows, no one has been there. Edit: Anyone living.

 

[MerSee]

Oh I am safe, because its not about me, its about the love of God and his promise

I know I have eternal life..

I am not trying to earn it and trying to depend on self. i already proved I am unworthy..

6 Who will render to every man according to his works. 7 To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: 8 But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation. 9 Tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek. 10 But glory, and honour, and peace to every one that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[Niki7]

Didn't Jesus say He had sheep in another fold?
And why didn't Paul say lots of things Jesus said? Perhaps he is not the good Shepherd. Perhaps he wasn't sent to seek and to save. Perhaps they aren't his sheep.

truly truly I say unto you: dis confusing

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

But you are not safe, and to believe that you just have to believe or trust strikes me as pure gnosticism.

Why not?
I am fulfilling the Will of the Father.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

What is the Will of the Father?

40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

 

[Cameron143]

truly truly I say unto you: dis confusing

A bit, at least without the post I was responding to with it. Certainly not my best work.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I had to stop eating them cause I crunch the hard candy and my molars do not appreciate it

but otherwise, yeah. good

My Favorites mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yummmmmmmy for my tummy

 

[Niki7]

My Favorites mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yummmmmmmy for my tummy

Of course I have always also been a connoisseur of bubble gum too, so I got the candy fix with the gum reward

Since having a root canal on a molar though, I have decided to forego since I no longer have baby teeth. Been quite a while actually

 

[7thMoon]

Why not?
I am fulfilling the Will of the Father.

And he did.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

What is the Will of the Father?

40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Unfortunately the subjunctive here indicates probability; I admit that I tie it to Stephen, but Stephen did die, and saw Jesus on his last day.

 

[MerSee]

A bit, at least without the post I was responding to with it. Certainly not my best work.

At least you are making an effort.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

How do dead people need salvation? Nobody knows, no one has been there. Edit: Anyone living.

What do you mean by "dead people?"
Physically or spiritually?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Of course I have always also been a connoisseur of bubble gum too, so I got the candy fix with the gum reward

Since having a root canal on a molar though, I have decided to forego since I no longer have baby teeth. Been quite a while actually

That's why I like them as well. Candy coating and them bubble gum. A 2 for 1 kinda deal hahahaha

I have patience. I let the candy melt instead of chomping it. I saw a buddy of mine chip a tooth and from then on I let it melt hahaha

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It is the same! There's a reason why Romans 3 says there is "No one who does good!" The "good" they do, they still do in a state of sin. In other words their righteousness is still as filthy rags! Would you care for me to explain the how and the why?

No it is not the same

Yes, No one is good. All have turned away. For all have sinned and fall short

But the offer of salvation is to those lost people.. who are commanded to chose to recieve, or chose to Deny..

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

 

[7thMoon]

What do you mean by "dead people?"
Physically or spiritually?

There is total absence of existence which is the future of Satan. Luckily all of Mankind can be reformed whether on or in Hell? By dead, I mean νεκρος, those inside the afterlife.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Right. And your point is...???

My point was, and is. The fatalistic view of romans 9 is in error It does not say what you think it says

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

But you are not safe, and to believe that you just have to believe or trust strikes me as pure gnosticism.

We are saved by Grace through faith (belief ot trust)

So to believe or trust is doctrinally sound.

 

[7thMoon]

No it is not the same

Yes, No one is good. All have turned away. For all have sinned and fall short

But the offer of salvation is to those lost people.. who are commanded to chose to recieve, or chose to Deny..

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

It not about believing; it is about trusting. And of course, works with faith that bring justification. Sorry about my mistakes on this board. I forget things sometimes.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I said I think God wakes the dead. Saving the dead is a language syntax error.

Jesus came to save that which is lost.

The lost are spiritually dead. To say they are spiritually alive is error..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

God is going to translate you like Enoch? That is what you are saying.

No.

God is going to ressurect me..

Again, do you not read scripture?

 

[MerSee]

We are saved by Grace through faith (belief ot trust)

So to believe or trust is doctrinally sound.

Correct belief/doctrine.