Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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You don't seem to understand that hearing biblically engenders understanding. When someone is given hearing, they receive understanding. It is this new understanding that yields faith. Faith always results when understanding and perception is given. This is the quickening God does. He awakens us to spiritual reality.
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Those who are persuaded by Calvinism or who hold similar concepts MUST believe that regeneration occurs before salvation.
That, fits in with part of the TULIP acronym stating that mankind is totally depraved and unable to respond. Therefore, God must grant a kind of temporary salvation in order for actual salvation to occur.
But, does that actually happen? Frankly I, along with most Christians, find no evidence of this concept within scripture.
Of course it also ties in quite nicely with the concept of 'limited atonement' and God being responsible for our engagement with Him.
That, logically would mean that those who are not in the Lamb's Book of Life are really not to blame since God decided to send them to hell instead.
So do we throw out John 3:16 and all scripture that indicates we come to understanding through the word?
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That, fits in with part of the TULIP acronym stating that mankind is totally depraved and unable to respond. Therefore, God must grant a kind of temporary salvation in order for actual salvation to occur.
But, does that actually happen? Frankly I, along with most Christians, find no evidence of this concept within scripture.
Of course it also ties in quite nicely with the concept of 'limited atonement' and God being responsible for our engagement with Him.
That, logically would mean that those who are not in the Lamb's Book of Life are really not to blame since God decided to send them to hell instead.
So do we throw out John 3:16 and all scripture that indicates we come to understanding through the word?
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Jesus said it was a Prophecy that was fulfilled. That means it won't happen again.
You could show me then where Peter, Paul, John, James, Jude, and Others said they spoke for the purpose to have no understanding to re-fulfill that Prophecy but you won't find anything. It's a done deal. It was solely for Parables only like Jesus said.
You could show me then where Peter, Paul, John, James, Jude, and Others said they spoke for the purpose to have no understanding to re-fulfill that Prophecy but you won't find anything. It's a done deal. It was solely for Parables only like Jesus said.
Simply because it fulfills prophecy doesn't change the fact that it's in scripture which makes it by default profitable for doctrine. And while all scripture must be first understood by its original audience, that doesn't preclude wider application to all audiences.
The reason NT writers didn't make use of parables is because they were explaining the new covenant and wanted everyone to understand.
The reason NT writers didn't make use of parables is because they were explaining the new covenant and wanted everyone to understand.
I agree they are true and will be forever.
I disagree on how you have used the Blindness/Deafness of Israel so the Gentiles be allowed to enter into the fold as placing this also upon the Gentiles. It was 100% only and solely for the Jews. Everyone else, Gentiles, have the ability to Hear the Gospel.
I disagree on how you have used the Blindness/Deafness of Israel so the Gentiles be allowed to enter into the fold as placing this also upon the Gentiles. It was 100% only and solely for the Jews. Everyone else, Gentiles, have the ability to Hear the Gospel.