Did Jesus and Paul teach differnt gospels?
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1. Paul's said Jesus chose him. That is second hand witness.
2. When do the apostles call Paul an apostle? If it is in the bible please show me.
3. Peter called Paul "brother" the same thing the men in Acts 15 called those they had debate with and 2 Peter called them "Paul's epistolé/letters"
4. Because none testify of Paul as chosen of Jesus other than himself and you must not know Duet 13, the thousands of corrupted manuscripts and the council of trent.
2. When do the apostles call Paul an apostle? If it is in the bible please show me.
3. Peter called Paul "brother" the same thing the men in Acts 15 called those they had debate with and 2 Peter called them "Paul's epistolé/letters"
4. Because none testify of Paul as chosen of Jesus other than himself and you must not know Duet 13, the thousands of corrupted manuscripts and the council of trent.
IOW, you trust the entirety of the epistle to the Hebrews (though not written personally by Jesus, and was written after His death/resurrection and when He was in Heaven) because of what is written in Luke 16:16-17, “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached [...]"... how can you tell that that one sentence in Luke 16 carries all the meaning that the Hebrews' "change/changes[2] [in the Law]" covers (since Jesus Himself wasn't here to "say the words" [like, in red 
] that are recorded in Hebrews)?
See what I mean? Why trust this one? How could one tell that THAT is really what Jesus meant by what was stated in Lk16:16-17 [alone]?? Comparing them isn't quite coming through to that extent, if you were to ask a random person on the street (having a general familiarity with the Bible). Tell me how YOU are convinced by this, in particular (in view of your other "questions" regarding what was recorded following His death/resurrection/ascension/exaltation). How do you know the writer of Hebrews was "in" ("in the know"/an "official")?
] that are recorded in Hebrews)?See what I mean? Why trust this one? How could one tell that THAT is really what Jesus meant by what was stated in Lk16:16-17 [alone]?? Comparing them isn't quite coming through to that extent, if you were to ask a random person on the street (having a general familiarity with the Bible). Tell me how YOU are convinced by this, in particular (in view of your other "questions" regarding what was recorded following His death/resurrection/ascension/exaltation). How do you know the writer of Hebrews was "in" ("in the know"/an "official")?
1. Many of the things spoken of/explained are prophesied in the OT.
Hebrews 1:3-4, " 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
Psalms 110:1-4, " 1 The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” 2 The LORD sends forth from Zion your mighty scepter. Rule in the midst of your enemies! 3 Your people will offer themselves freely on the day of your power, in holy garments; from the womb of the morning, the dew of your youth will be yours. 4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.”
Hebrews 5:5-6, " 5 So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”; 6 as he says also in another place, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”
Hebrews 1:5-6, " 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”? 6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.”
Psalms 97:6-7, " 6 The heavens proclaim his righteousness, and all the peoples see his glory. 7 All worshipers of images are put to shame, who make their boast in worthless idols; worship him, all you gods!
Hebrews 1:8-9, " 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
Psalms 45:6-7, " 6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness; 7 you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions;
Hebrews 2:7-9, " 7 You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, 8 putting everything in subjection under his feet.” Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. 9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.”
Psalms 8:4-6, " 4 what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him? 5 Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor. 6 You have given him dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet,
Hebrews 7:20-22, " 20 And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath, 21 but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever.’” 22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31-34, " 31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Hebrews 10:16-18, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Hebrews 8:8-13, " 8 For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.” 13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 9:19-20, " 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.”
Exodus 24:7-8, " 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
Hebrews 10:5-9, " 5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’” 8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.
Psalms 40:6-8, " 6 In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required. 7 Then I said, “Behold, I have come; in the scroll of the book it is written of me: 8 I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.”
Genesis 22:7-8, " 7 And Isaac said to his father Abraham, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” He said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?” 8 Abraham said, “God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” So they went both of them together.
2. Nothing contradicts the true word of God as spoken through His prophets and chosen ones. (peoples views do, but the way I read it and the greek has to be consulted, there is no contradiction)
Matthias was selected by casting lots
is casting lots still valid?
what does casting lots mean, and what does the gift of the Holy Spirit have to do with the meaning of casting lots?
Paul was selected by the risen Lord and confirmed by visions to Ananias and by the Spirit through him, as testified by Luke.
so what does the meaning of casting lots have to do with the resurrection and with visions - ?
what does casting lots mean? this is the first step
is casting lots still valid?
what does casting lots mean, and what does the gift of the Holy Spirit have to do with the meaning of casting lots?
Paul was selected by the risen Lord and confirmed by visions to Ananias and by the Spirit through him, as testified by Luke.
so what does the meaning of casting lots have to do with the resurrection and with visions - ?
what does casting lots mean? this is the first step
2 Corinthians 12:11-15, esp v.12 -
[TDW: recall the context (Paul vindicating his apostleship)]
11 I have become a fool; you compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you, for in no way was I inferior to those “most eminent apostles,” even though I am nothing. 12 For the signs of the apostle were performed among you in all perseverance, and in signs, and wonders, and miracles. 13 For in what is it that you were inferior beyond the rest of the churches, except that I myself did not burden you? Forgive me this wrong!
14 Behold, this third time I am ready to come to you, and I will not burden you. For I do not seek what is yours, but you. For the children ought not to treasure up for the parents, but the parents for the children. 15 Now I will spend most gladly, and will be utterly spent, for your souls. If loving you more abundantly, am I loved less?
Do you believe where this says (in the bold) "the signs of the apostle," that this is speaking of Paul himself? And if so (if Paul is speaking of himself here), that there would have been any way for others (like Peter etc) to have confirmed or denied this comment (about Paul, if Paul was meant by this comment).
And what about 1 Corinthians 12:28-29 ["hath set - G5087 - tithemi"] (in view of what Ephesians 1:20-23 explicitly states [re WHEN]);
...not to mention how 1 Corinthians 2:9-10,12,16b says, where it uses the word "we/us" as referring to what was "revealed" by means of the Spirit (for them to record and to teach/speak), as well as the wider "we/us";
… and how Peter says of Paul's writings (in 2 Peter 3:15-16) "15 Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. 16 He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."
IOW, the CONTEXT seems to be under the "category" of "our Lord's patience" (which is a particular "thing") ; and why does Peter say (in this kind of context) "[wrest/distort] as they do THE REST of the Scriptures" (seemingly agreeing that Paul's writings ARE Scripture, just as "THE REST" of them are)
[TDW: recall the context (Paul vindicating his apostleship)]
11 I have become a fool; you compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you, for in no way was I inferior to those “most eminent apostles,” even though I am nothing. 12 For the signs of the apostle were performed among you in all perseverance, and in signs, and wonders, and miracles. 13 For in what is it that you were inferior beyond the rest of the churches, except that I myself did not burden you? Forgive me this wrong!
14 Behold, this third time I am ready to come to you, and I will not burden you. For I do not seek what is yours, but you. For the children ought not to treasure up for the parents, but the parents for the children. 15 Now I will spend most gladly, and will be utterly spent, for your souls. If loving you more abundantly, am I loved less?
Do you believe where this says (in the bold) "the signs of the apostle," that this is speaking of Paul himself? And if so (if Paul is speaking of himself here), that there would have been any way for others (like Peter etc) to have confirmed or denied this comment (about Paul, if Paul was meant by this comment).
And what about 1 Corinthians 12:28-29 ["hath set - G5087 - tithemi"] (in view of what Ephesians 1:20-23 explicitly states [re WHEN]);
...not to mention how 1 Corinthians 2:9-10,12,16b says, where it uses the word "we/us" as referring to what was "revealed" by means of the Spirit (for them to record and to teach/speak), as well as the wider "we/us";
… and how Peter says of Paul's writings (in 2 Peter 3:15-16) "15 Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. 16 He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."
IOW, the CONTEXT seems to be under the "category" of "our Lord's patience" (which is a particular "thing") ; and why does Peter say (in this kind of context) "[wrest/distort] as they do THE REST of the Scriptures" (seemingly agreeing that Paul's writings ARE Scripture, just as "THE REST" of them are)
I suppose if one is connecting to the spirit of God via His holy Spirit it is ok.
AmTrac Bible Dictionary - Casting Lots
Were often cast by the Jews, as well as other ancient nations, with the expectation, when God was appealed to, that he would so control them as to give a right direction in doubtful cases, Ps 22:18; 16:11; 18:18. They were often used by the divine appointment. The portions of the twelve tribes were thus assigned to them; and hence each tribe’s portion was called "the lot of its inheritance," Nu 26:55, 56; Ps 125:3; Ac 8:21. The scapegoat was to be selected, and the other of the priests’ service determined by lot, Le 16:8; 1Ch 24:5; 25:8. By the same means Achan, Jonathan, and Jonah were discovered, Jos 7:14 1Sa 14:41, 42 Jon 1:7; and thus Matthias was designated by Christ to be an apostle in the place of Judas, Ac 1:26. A common mode of casting lots was by the use of pebbles, one or more of them being marked, and all of them being shaken together in some fold of a garment, an urn, or a helmet, before drawing, Pr 16:33; Joh 19:24. As the use of lots by one who believes in the particular providence of God involves a solemn appeal to the Disposer of all events, they should never be used on trivial occasions; and in this day, a case can hardly occur when such an appeal would be warranted. See PURIM.
By Paul's own witness Jesus chose him, is Ananias a trustworhy witness? and did Luke talk to him or did Paul tell the story to Luke? Luke was a physician who did not ever witness Jesus for himself but essentially went as a reported seking to find out about Jesus. I think God use Luke to record the miracle that is Jesus, and I suppose Luke had great faith after hearing aabout Jesus.
Not sure what you are getting at here, you will have to expand on that.
AmTrac Bible Dictionary - Casting Lots
Were often cast by the Jews, as well as other ancient nations, with the expectation, when God was appealed to, that he would so control them as to give a right direction in doubtful cases, Ps 22:18; 16:11; 18:18. They were often used by the divine appointment. The portions of the twelve tribes were thus assigned to them; and hence each tribe’s portion was called "the lot of its inheritance," Nu 26:55, 56; Ps 125:3; Ac 8:21. The scapegoat was to be selected, and the other of the priests’ service determined by lot, Le 16:8; 1Ch 24:5; 25:8. By the same means Achan, Jonathan, and Jonah were discovered, Jos 7:14 1Sa 14:41, 42 Jon 1:7; and thus Matthias was designated by Christ to be an apostle in the place of Judas, Ac 1:26. A common mode of casting lots was by the use of pebbles, one or more of them being marked, and all of them being shaken together in some fold of a garment, an urn, or a helmet, before drawing, Pr 16:33; Joh 19:24. As the use of lots by one who believes in the particular providence of God involves a solemn appeal to the Disposer of all events, they should never be used on trivial occasions; and in this day, a case can hardly occur when such an appeal would be warranted. See PURIM.
By Paul's own witness Jesus chose him, is Ananias a trustworhy witness? and did Luke talk to him or did Paul tell the story to Luke? Luke was a physician who did not ever witness Jesus for himself but essentially went as a reported seking to find out about Jesus. I think God use Luke to record the miracle that is Jesus, and I suppose Luke had great faith after hearing aabout Jesus.
so what does the meaning of casting lots have to do with the resurrection and with visions - ? what does casting lots mean? this is the first step
Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
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SIngs and wonds are not enought to authenticate, Pharaoh's magicians could do wonders also.
Exodus 7:11-13, " 11 Then summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and they, the magicians of Egypt, also did the same by their secret arts. 12 For each man cast down his staff, and they became serpents. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs. 13 Still Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them, as the LORD had said.
Deuteronomy 13:1-4, " 1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him."
1 Corinthians 9:1-4, “9:1, "Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?"9:2, "If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord."9:3, "This is my defense to those who would examine me."9:4, "Do we not have the right to eat and drink?”
However this also is not a valid way to authenticate.
John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”
Can you show me a single place where anyone but Paul himself calls him an apostle?
Peter calls Paul "brother"
2 Peter 3:15 called Paul, “our dear brother Paul” Not “apostle” Paul, notice the difference in usage here:
Acts 15:22-23, " 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"
The original greek makes distinctions.
Strong's Greek English Morphology
1125 [e] γράψαντες
grapsantes having written V-APA-NMP
1223 [e] διὰ
dia by Prep
5495 [e] χειρὸς
cheiros [the] hand N-GFS
846 [e] αὐτῶν
autōn of them: PPro-GM3P
3588 [e] Οἱ
Hoi The Art-NMP
652 [e] ἀπόστολοι
apostoloi apostles N-NMP
2532 [e] καὶ
kai and Conj
3588 [e] οἱ
hoi the Art-NMP
4245 [e] πρεσβύτεροι
presbyteroi elders, Adj-NMP-C
80 [e] ἀδελφοὶ
adelphoi brothers, N-NMP
3588 [e] Τοῖς
tois To those Art-DMP
2596 [e] κατὰ
kata in Prep
3588 [e] τὴν
tēn - Art-AFS
490 [e] Ἀντιόχειαν
Antiocheian Antioch N-AFS
2532 [e] καὶ
kai and Conj
4947 [e] Συρίαν
Syrian Syria N-AFS
2532 [e] καὶ
kai and Conj
2791 [e] Κιλικίαν
Kilikian Cilicia, N-AFS
80 [e] ἀδελφοῖς
adelphois brothers N-DMP
3588 [e] τοῖς
tois - Art-DMP
1537 [e] ἐξ
ex among Prep
1484 [e] ἐθνῶν
ethnōn the Gentiles: N-GNP
5463 [e] Χαίρειν.
chairein Greetings. V-PNA
Exodus 7:11-13, " 11 Then summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and they, the magicians of Egypt, also did the same by their secret arts. 12 For each man cast down his staff, and they became serpents. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs. 13 Still Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them, as the LORD had said.
Deuteronomy 13:1-4, " 1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him."
1 Corinthians 9:1-4, “9:1, "Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?"9:2, "If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord."9:3, "This is my defense to those who would examine me."9:4, "Do we not have the right to eat and drink?”
However this also is not a valid way to authenticate.
John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”
Can you show me a single place where anyone but Paul himself calls him an apostle?
Peter calls Paul "brother"
2 Peter 3:15 called Paul, “our dear brother Paul” Not “apostle” Paul, notice the difference in usage here:
Acts 15:22-23, " 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"
The original greek makes distinctions.
Strong's Greek English Morphology
1125 [e] γράψαντες
grapsantes having written V-APA-NMP
1223 [e] διὰ
dia by Prep
5495 [e] χειρὸς
cheiros [the] hand N-GFS
846 [e] αὐτῶν
autōn of them: PPro-GM3P
3588 [e] Οἱ
Hoi The Art-NMP
652 [e] ἀπόστολοι
apostoloi apostles N-NMP
2532 [e] καὶ
kai and Conj
3588 [e] οἱ
hoi the Art-NMP
4245 [e] πρεσβύτεροι
presbyteroi elders, Adj-NMP-C
80 [e] ἀδελφοὶ
adelphoi brothers, N-NMP
3588 [e] Τοῖς
tois To those Art-DMP
2596 [e] κατὰ
kata in Prep
3588 [e] τὴν
tēn - Art-AFS
490 [e] Ἀντιόχειαν
Antiocheian Antioch N-AFS
2532 [e] καὶ
kai and Conj
4947 [e] Συρίαν
Syrian Syria N-AFS
2532 [e] καὶ
kai and Conj
2791 [e] Κιλικίαν
Kilikian Cilicia, N-AFS
80 [e] ἀδελφοῖς
adelphois brothers N-DMP
3588 [e] τοῖς
tois - Art-DMP
1537 [e] ἐξ
ex among Prep
1484 [e] ἐθνῶν
ethnōn the Gentiles: N-GNP
5463 [e] Χαίρειν.
chairein Greetings. V-PNA
Its fascinating that you concluded James the Just as one of the 12 apostles, even though he only accepted Jesus after he was resurrected.
Going by your criteria, no one, not even James himself, acknowledged that he is an apostle. Yet you call him one of the 12.
Paul does not consider himself worthy to be considered among the 12 of them, and only calls himself an apostle to the Gentiles who will believe in him.
Even then, you have so much issues with that.
Going by your criteria, no one, not even James himself, acknowledged that he is an apostle. Yet you call him one of the 12.
Paul does not consider himself worthy to be considered among the 12 of them, and only calls himself an apostle to the Gentiles who will believe in him.
Even then, you have so much issues with that.
I knew I was forgetting something that I'd intended to add to the above portion...
I meant to add, along with the Ephesians reference above:
Ephesians 4:8 -
"Therefore it says: "Having ascended on high, He led captive captivity, and gave gifts to men [G444 - anthropois - people (plural)]."
I believe the "gifts" spoken of here are not: I give Joe the gift of "apostle"[-ship], I give Bill the gift of "prophet," I give Harold the gift of "evangelism," I give Arnold the gift of "pastor-teacher"... Instead, I believe this verse is stating that "apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor-teachers" [individuals] are the gifts He gave (having ascended on high) to people[/mankind] (for their benefit). See the difference, here?
In this section, I'm not endeavoring to speak of "apostle," but the fact that Peter seems to include Paul's writings as "scripture" just as "THE REST" of scripture is. Peter, here, could just as easily have said, "uh, but don't mistake his [Paul's] writings for scripture, coz he's written a few wonky things that don't exactly jive, if you catch my drift!" but he didn't.
I meant to add, along with the Ephesians reference above:
Ephesians 4:8 -
"Therefore it says: "Having ascended on high, He led captive captivity, and gave gifts to men [G444 - anthropois - people (plural)]."
I believe the "gifts" spoken of here are not: I give Joe the gift of "apostle"[-ship], I give Bill the gift of "prophet," I give Harold the gift of "evangelism," I give Arnold the gift of "pastor-teacher"... Instead, I believe this verse is stating that "apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor-teachers" [individuals] are the gifts He gave (having ascended on high) to people[/mankind] (for their benefit). See the difference, here?
In this section, I'm not endeavoring to speak of "apostle," but the fact that Peter seems to include Paul's writings as "scripture" just as "THE REST" of scripture is. Peter, here, could just as easily have said, "uh, but don't mistake his [Paul's] writings for scripture, coz he's written a few wonky things that don't exactly jive, if you catch my drift!" but he didn't.
And speaking of Peter's words saying, "[note context] just as our beloved brother Paul wrote you with the wisdom God gave to him" (why does he say this, if Paul's words are not actually "the wisdom [G4678] God gave to him/Paul"??
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1 Corinthians 2:6-16 -
6 But we speak wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to naught. 7 But we speak in a mystery, the wisdom of God having been hidden, which God foreordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age has understood. For if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it has been written:
“What no eye has seen,
and no ear has heard,
and has not entered into heart of man,
what God has prepared for those loving Him.”
10 For God has revealed it to us through the Spirit.
For the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the things of the man, except the spirit of the man within him? So also, no one knows the things of God, except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, that we may know the things having been granted to us by God, 13 which also we speak, not in words taught of human wisdom, but in those taught of the Spirit, communicating spiritual things by spiritual means.
14 But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, but he himself is judged by no one. 16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Who will instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
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John 16 -
12 I have yet many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 But when He the, Spirit of truth, shall come, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He may hear, He will speak. And He will declare to you the things coming. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Because of this, I said that He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you.
[sounds like more than 1 thing ("things coming" yes; but also "into all the truth")]
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1 Corinthians 2:6-16 -
6 But we speak wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to naught. 7 But we speak in a mystery, the wisdom of God having been hidden, which God foreordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age has understood. For if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it has been written:
“What no eye has seen,
and no ear has heard,
and has not entered into heart of man,
what God has prepared for those loving Him.”
10 For God has revealed it to us through the Spirit.
For the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the things of the man, except the spirit of the man within him? So also, no one knows the things of God, except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, that we may know the things having been granted to us by God, 13 which also we speak, not in words taught of human wisdom, but in those taught of the Spirit, communicating spiritual things by spiritual means.
14 But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, but he himself is judged by no one. 16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Who will instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
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John 16 -
12 I have yet many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 But when He the, Spirit of truth, shall come, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He may hear, He will speak. And He will declare to you the things coming. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Because of this, I said that He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you.
[sounds like more than 1 thing ("things coming" yes; but also "into all the truth")]
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Genesis 43 -
3 But Judah replied, “The man [the one they sold into slavery (Gen45:4)] solemnly warned us, ‘You will not see my face again unless your brother [the youngest, Benjamin] is with you.’ [...]
5 But if you will not send him, we will not go; for the man told us, ‘You will not see my face again unless your brother is with you.’”
Genesis 44 -
23 But you said to your servants, ’Unless your younger brother comes down with you, you will not see my face again.’
26 But we answered, ‘We cannot go down there unless our younger brother goes with us. So if our younger brother is not with us, we cannot see the man.’
3 But Judah replied, “The man [the one they sold into slavery
(Gen45:4)] solemnly warned us, ‘You will not see my face again unless your brother [the youngest, Benjamin] is with you.’ [...]5 But if you will not send him, we will not go; for the man told us, ‘You will not see my face again unless your brother is with you.’”
Genesis 44 -
23 But you said to your servants, ’Unless your younger brother comes down with you, you will not see my face again.’
26 But we answered, ‘We cannot go down there unless our younger brother goes with us. So if our younger brother is not with us, we cannot see the man.’
Matthias was selected by casting lots
is casting lots still valid?
what does casting lots mean, and what does the gift of the Holy Spirit have to do with the meaning of casting lots?
Paul was selected by the risen Lord and confirmed by visions to Ananias and by the Spirit through him, as testified by Luke.
so what does the meaning of casting lots have to do with the resurrection and with visions - ?
what does casting lots mean? this is the first step
is casting lots still valid?
what does casting lots mean, and what does the gift of the Holy Spirit have to do with the meaning of casting lots?
Paul was selected by the risen Lord and confirmed by visions to Ananias and by the Spirit through him, as testified by Luke.
so what does the meaning of casting lots have to do with the resurrection and with visions - ?
what does casting lots mean? this is the first step
33 The lot is cast into the lap,
But its every decision is from the Lord.
There is no such thing as luck or random chance.
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what about:
Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Luk 10:31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Luk 10:31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
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I believe Solomon represents the culmination, the absolute zenith, of human achievement, and what man THINKS should be his greatest desires.
Wealth. Knowledge. Power. This starkly reflected in Ecclesiastes. The depressing view of life is expressed from MAN'S perspective.
So from our perspective, there IS such a thing as chance and luck.
But as the Rabbis say, chance is not a kosher word from God's perspective.
Wealth. Knowledge. Power. This starkly reflected in Ecclesiastes. The depressing view of life is expressed from MAN'S perspective.
So from our perspective, there IS such a thing as chance and luck.
But as the Rabbis say, chance is not a kosher word from God's perspective.
