Death curses the law

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Thunderrr-mental

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The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam


Then the lord said

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.



So all this was before the fall.

After the fall the lord says

I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.


He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.
 
posthuman

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Thunderrr-mental said:
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam
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got your timeline a bit screwed up dude.
the other living souls were created before Adam, not after.

what's more pressing tho, is you've got the nature of God a bit screwed up - He is not an idiot, and He knows all things.
 
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The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam


Then the lord said

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.



So all this was before the fall.

After the fall the lord says

I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.


He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.
 
Thunderrr-mental

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posthuman said:
got your timeline a bit screwed up dude.
the other living souls were created before Adam, not after.

what's more pressing tho, is you've got the nature of God a bit screwed up - He is not an idiot, and He knows all things.
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I appreciate the word dude
 
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The_old_guy said:
What do you mean that death curses the law? It doesn't make sense to me. Please explain.'
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it means man in a fallen state are spiritualy alive to the power of death

However the human nature which was created by God that God saw was good when he created mans human nature still has good and is still able to know right from wrong

Of course that would also be not totally depraved

After the fall unfortunately mans humans nature is over come by the power of death in his spiritual nature rather than the power of life.

This is why God said to Cain you can rule over sin.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam
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No, God did not make the animals to be helpers for Adam. Nothing in Scripture suggests that He did so.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
However the human nature which was created by God that God saw was good when he created mans human nature still has good and is still able to know right from wrong

Of course that would also be not totally depraved
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total depravity doesn't imply man doesn't know right from wrong.
it implies man invariably chooses wrong, because in absolutely everyone through Adam that nature has been corrupted.

Psalms 14:2​
The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. ​
They have all turned aside, ​
they have together become corrupt; ​
there is none who does good, ​
No, not one.​
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and for this reason Christ was born of a virgin - in Him, and only in Him, is there no corruption.
 
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posthuman said:
total depravity doesn't imply man doesn't know right from wrong.
it implies man invariably chooses wrong, because in absolutely everyone through Adam that nature has been corrupted.

Psalms 14:2​
The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. ​
They have all turned aside, ​
they have together become corrupt; ​
there is none who does good, ​
No, not one.​
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and for this reason Christ was born of a virgin - in Him, and only in Him, is there no corruption.
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nope try again total depravity implies man is born spiritualy dead to god.

Nope man is born spiritualy alive to the power of death.
 
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posthuman said:
got your timeline a bit screwed up dude.
the other living souls were created before Adam, not after.

what's more pressing tho, is you've got the nature of God a bit screwed up - He is not an idiot, and He knows all things.
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nope God knitted my imagination together in my mother's womb
 
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posthuman said:
total depravity doesn't imply man doesn't know right from wrong.
it implies man invariably chooses wrong, because in absolutely everyone through Adam that nature has been corrupted.

Psalms 14:2​
The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. ​
They have all turned aside, ​
they have together become corrupt; ​
there is none who does good, ​
No, not one.​
​
and for this reason Christ was born of a virgin - in Him, and only in Him, is there no corruption.
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also from a tulip doctrine perspective total depravity depraves the depraved in many ways.

Do you know what ways I'm talking about
 
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posthuman said:
it also says here the purpose, and the purpose is NOT because God is ignorant and needs to learn that Adam prolly shouldn't marry a platypus...

Genesis 2:19​
Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.​
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the purpose is that it is God's desire to observe Adam give every other living soul a name, just like Genesis 1:4 when He created the light, and saw it was good. it is not God creating light but being absolutely clueless whether He had done good or evil by doing so.

He is pleased to regard it
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Well this still never answered the question but if your willing to answer the question that would be good
 
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posthuman said:
what makes you think that because God made man inside of time, that God is ignorant of what man will do or think in time?

He also made all the other animals, and He also made time.

and again, tho Dino has already said so, it is not law that man must not live alone. Christ Himself said it is better for people to be eunuchs, but it is not given to everyone to do so - - so you have God contradicting Himself with your position that He made it law for man to have a wife, and the text does not call it a law at all: He said it isn't good for us to be alone, that's all - and for us who believe Him, He is our Husband: we aren't alone at all, whether we have earthly spouses or not.
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because God made man not outside of time and had man not outside of time before the fall , does not make me ignorant or God ignorant.


Neither does it warrant saying God would not be all knowing if he did that
 
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posthuman said:
No.

saying He doesn't know is suggesting that God has no idea what He's doing when He creates

is He good at being God or is He just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks?

He is perfect.
the point of the scripture here is not to inform us that God is ignorant.

it is Adam who did not know yet that the other animals were not suitable to him as a companion in help.
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no saying God chose not to know what man would do next before the fall says God knew what he was doing
 
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Dino246 said:
No, God did not make the animals to be helpers for Adam. Nothing in Scripture suggests that He did so.
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The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam


Then the lord said

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.



So all this was before the fall.

After the fall the lord says

I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.


He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Adam and eve someone God loved before the fall and after the fall

Evidently depraving the depraved is a myth

The lord God said about man after the fall Abel tended to the flocks

 
Thunderrr-mental

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posthuman said:
got your timeline a bit screwed up dude.
the other living souls were created before Adam, not after.

what's more pressing tho, is you've got the nature of God a bit screwed up - He is not an idiot, and He knows all things.
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This has diverted from what was asked but never mind I'll take about it to see where it's going.

I think your refering to one scripture refering spoken to one person.

Not sure what your refering to, to be honest.

But there can be exceptions to the rule



If God said to one person I knew you before you mother womb, does that mean you to,

If so explain how

If your taking about his life as in his spirit then that may be something i can understand.

As all life that exist in man is still gods
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam


Then the lord said

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.



So all this was before the fall.

After the fall the lord says

I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.


He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.
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Repeating yourself after being corrected only demonstrates your stubbornness.
 
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