Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

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Once again the OP shows the 70 weeks begin when a command to restore and build Jerusalem is given in the "Future" no date is given.

The 70th week will be seen when the (Man of Sin/The Beast/The Antichrist) is revealed in Jerusalem, and Proclaims to be Messiah God,

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at the revealing of this human man in Jerysalem, a "Future" Event no date given.
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In a previous post you then state that the command to restore Jerusalem was in the future but in the OP you outlined what you believe has already taken place. So I ask you again, which one is it, is the 70 weeks been fulfilled or in your estimate it is a future event?
The OP Outlines the 70 weeks are "Future" unfulfilled.

Quote OP: Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.
 

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Once again the OP shows the 70 weeks begin when a command to restore and build Jerusalem is given in the "Future" no date is given.

The 70th week will be seen when the (Man of Sin/The Beast/The Antichrist) is revealed in Jerusalem, and Proclaims to be Messiah God,

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at the revealing of this human man in Jerysalem, a "Future" Event no date given.
OK then, if I understand your position correctly, the 70 weeks are 70 literal weeks, it will commence with the issue of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, and the 70 week prophesy in Daniel still remains a future event. In your opinion, who in a position of authority will issue the command? Otherwise, I believe we are clear on your position in this regards.
 

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OK then, if I understand your position correctly, the 70 weeks are 70 literal weeks, it will commence with the issue of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, and the 70 week prophesy in Daniel still remains a future event. In your opinion, who in a position of authority will issue the command? Otherwise, I believe we are clear on your position in this regards.
70 weeks are future, and I believe the future command to build will be public, and be centered around "Return Of Messiah" in Jerusalem, no secret.

Do I have a specific name, no
 
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My brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, the seventy years (Jeremiah 25:11,12, 29:10, Zechariah 1:12, Isaiah 23:15,17, Daniel 9:2) means seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24) - with seven years in each week (Genesis 29:27). The first seven weeks was from 587 B.C. (2 Kings 25:8-10) to 538 B.C. (Ezra 1:1,2 (539 B.C.), Ezra 3:8 (538 B.C.)). Then after sixty-two weeks (Daniel 9:26), my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was crucified (John 19:30). The temple that is about to be built (Psalms 68:29, 79:1, Jeremiah 50:28, Ezekiel 8:14,16, 9:3,6,7, 10:3,4,18,19, 11:1, chapters 40-48, Amos 8:3, Jeremiah 26:18, Micah 3:12, Haggai 2:6-9, Zechariah 8:9, Malachi 3:1, Matthew 12:5,6, 23:16,17,21, 1 Corinthians 9:13, 2 Thessalonians 4:2, Revelation 11:1,2), will function for seven years - the last week of the seventy (the last year of the seventy years) - until the return of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. For the first 3 1/2 years there will be daily sacrifice (Daniel 9:27) on the altar (Ezekiel 40:47, 43:13-17). The last 3 1/2 years, the tribulation (Matthew 24:15-29, Mark 13:14-25), from the time the image of the beast (Revelation 13:14,15) is setup at the northern inner gate of the temple (Ezekiel 8:3,5), until the return of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Isaiah 31:4,5), there will be no temple sacrifice (Daniel 12:11,12).
 

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My brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, the seventy years (Jeremiah 25:11,12, 29:10, Zechariah 1:12, Isaiah 23:15,17, Daniel 9:2) means seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24) - with seven years in each week (Genesis 29:27). The first seven weeks was from 587 B.C. (2 Kings 25:8-10) to 538 B.C. (Ezra 1:1,2 (539 B.C.), Ezra 3:8 (538 B.C.)). Then after sixty-two weeks (Daniel 9:26), my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was crucified (John 19:30). The temple that is about to be built (Psalms 68:29, 79:1, Jeremiah 50:28, Ezekiel 8:14,16, 9:3,6,7, 10:3,4,18,19, 11:1, chapters 40-48, Amos 8:3, Jeremiah 26:18, Micah 3:12, Haggai 2:6-9, Zechariah 8:9, Malachi 3:1, Matthew 12:5,6, 23:16,17,21, 1 Corinthians 9:13, 2 Thessalonians 4:2, Revelation 11:1,2), will function for seven years - the last week of the seventy (the last year of the seventy years) - until the return of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. For the first 3 1/2 years there will be daily sacrifice (Daniel 9:27) on the altar (Ezekiel 40:47, 43:13-17). The last 3 1/2 years, the tribulation (Matthew 24:15-29, Mark 13:14-25), from the time the image of the beast (Revelation 13:14,15) is setup at the northern inner gate of the temple (Ezekiel 8:3,5), until the return of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Isaiah 31:4,5), there will be no temple sacrifice (Daniel 12:11,12).
Formatting your contribution with white space will make it far more likely that it will be read. As it is, its a wall of text that will be ignored by most.
 
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Dino, my brother in Jesus Christ, why are you against me? The word of God says,

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:9

This means that he is deceiving those that believe the world is a globe, along with everyone that is not coming to Christ, who is the way, the truth, and the life. All of that about a globe will be going away soon though, because it is written,

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Revelation 13:6

For him to blaspheme the tabernacle of heaven, and them that dwell in heaven, he will be acknowledging that there is no globe, while the whole world follows after him (Revelation 13:3). So this about the globe is nothing compared to what is coming. But first, there will be the great falling away, the apostasy, before he is revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Then you will see the real deception, as he deceives the whole world to deny Jesus Christ - the very salvation of their souls. It is written that the powers of the heavens will be shaken (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:25, Luke 21:26). That means during the final days of the beast, the plan of God, glory to God, is for Satan to give him his own power (given to him by God (Genesis 3:1, Romans 13:1), to have the stars fall from heaven and stomp on them (Daniel 8:10).

Also my brother, the word of God says,

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8

That means that brothers will go to the uttermost part of the earth, giving their witness to the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes the majority of the world is fooled that the world is a globe, but the Lord Jesus Christ gave me a talent, that I will not bury. If I had a church, I would be preaching it, and I have told my pastor about it, but since I don't, and this is one of the only places I have right now, I am telling you.

Here for this subject, people need to know that the 69 weeks of years has already passed. There is only one more week of seven years, before the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, glory to God. He is coming, and we need to get ready. And my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, there are many that are quoting this scripture now,

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Acts 2:17

as if this will happen before Jesus comes back. We are very close to the apostasy now, as the internet rules, and will transition into the beast being revealed very shortly. That passage of scripture comes from,

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Joel 2:28

that has the passage of scripture,

Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. Joel 2:23

immediately before it. That means the children of Zion (Isaiah 66:8) will be born as soon as Jesus returns. So the pouring out of the spirit on all flesh will only happen after Jesus comes back. And we know this because the first two temples were not built in Zion, the city of David (2 Samuel 5:7). But because Zion is told,

O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Isaiah 40:9

it moves up, and where the first and second temples were built is about to become mount Zion, glory to God. And remember, the last days means the last 1,000 years of this current, second world we are living in. The first world ended with the flood (Genesis 7:11). This second, current world we are living in will end in fire (2 Peter 3:7,10-12), and a great earthquake that will make the whole world a plain (Revelation 16:17-20) (with hills(Genesis 49:26)), including the mountain top (Ezekiel 40:2, 43:12), just north of mount Zion. But mount Zion will continue to move up, as it remains in its place (Psalms 125:1), and becomes the highest mountain in the world. Glory to God.
 

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Dino, my brother in Jesus Christ, why are you against me? .
Formatting your contribution with white space will make it far more likely that it will be read. As it is, its a wall of text that will be ignored by most.
You read "helpful advice" as "against you"?

Wow.

If you consider me a brother in Jesus Christ, then consider removing the chip from your shoulder.
 
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UGGGGGGHHHHHHH, using the KJV for this is useless!




24 Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed upon your people and upon the city of your Sanctuary to terminate the transgression and to end sin, and to expiate iniquity, and to bring eternal righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.

כדשָֽׁבֻעִ֨ים שִׁבְעִ֜ים נֶחְתַּ֥ךְ עַל־עַמְּךָ֣ | וְעַל־עִ֣יר קָדְשֶׁ֗ךָ לְכַלֵּ֨א הַפֶּ֜שַׁע וּלְהָתֵ֚ם (כתיב וּלְחָתֵ֚ם) חַטָּאוֹת֙ וּלְכַפֵּ֣ר עָו‍ֹ֔ן וּלְהָבִ֖יא צֶ֣דֶק עֹֽלָמִ֑ים וְלַחְתֹּם֙ חָז֣וֹן וְנָבִ֔יא וְלִמְשֹׁ֖חַ קֹ֥דֶשׁ קָֽדָשִֽׁים:

The actual Hebrew clarifies 70 weeks is of Years, or 490 years to be specific.
 

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UGGGGGGHHHHHHH, using the KJV for this is useless!




24 Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed upon your people and upon the city of your Sanctuary to terminate the transgression and to end sin, and to expiate iniquity, and to bring eternal righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.

כדשָֽׁבֻעִ֨ים שִׁבְעִ֜ים נֶחְתַּ֥ךְ עַל־עַמְּךָ֣ | וְעַל־עִ֣יר קָדְשֶׁ֗ךָ לְכַלֵּ֨א הַפֶּ֜שַׁע וּלְהָתֵ֚ם (כתיב וּלְחָתֵ֚ם) חַטָּאוֹת֙ וּלְכַפֵּ֣ר עָו‍ֹ֔ן וּלְהָבִ֖יא צֶ֣דֶק עֹֽלָמִ֑ים וְלַחְתֹּם֙ חָז֣וֹן וְנָבִ֔יא וְלִמְשֹׁ֖חַ קֹ֥דֶשׁ קָֽדָשִֽׁים:

The actual Hebrew clarifies 70 weeks is of Years, or 490 years to be specific.
Your claim is false, the Hebrew in Daniel 9:24 remains the same, (Seventy Weeks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years)

(Seventy/Shibiym) (Weeks/Shabuwa)

English Strong's Root & Transliterated

Seventy h7657 שִׁבְעִים shib`iym
weeks h7620 שָׁבוּעַ shabuwa`

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 
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Dino, it is not a chip I have on my shoulder. It is the cross that I must carry. Glory to God.

My brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, the last week of the seventy - the last seven years will also be the last week of the four hundred (Genesis 15:13, Jeremiah 25:29). In the same way that seventy years is seventy weeks of seven years per week (Genesis 29:27), four hundred years is four hundred weeks of seven years per week. So just like the prophecy of seventy weeks for Judah and Jerusalem (Daniel 1:6, 9:24) means 490 years, the prophecy for Israel (Genesis 15:13-16) means 2,800 years.

God promised to Abraham (Genesis 12:7, 13:14-17), Isaac (Genesis 26:1-3), and Jacob (Genesis 28:10-13) to give to them and their seed the land of Israel.

In the prophecy (Genesis 15:16) it states that in the fourth generation, or time span, that Israel would "come hither again:". The "fourth generation" is talking about the fourth kingdom in the book of Daniel (Daniel 2:40-43, 7:7,8,19-21, 23-25). So the "nation, whom they shall serve," (Genesis 15:14) is "MYSTERY, BABYLON" (Revelation 17:5). It is not Egypt, when Israel went down to Egypt for 430 years (Exodus 12:40, Galatians 3:17). And it starts with "the Amorites" (Genesis 15:16), the sons of "Canaan" (Genesis 10:15,16, 1 Chronicles 1:13,14) - who are still in the world today (Zechariah 14:21) ("the son of Ham" (Genesis 10:6, 1 Chronicles 1:8), the son "of Noah" (Genesis 10:1)). And "come hither again:" (Genesis 15:16) means to where Abraham was at the time of the prophecy - "the valley of Shaveh" (Genesis 14:17), "the king's dale" (Genesis 14:17), "the valley of vision" (Isaiah 22:1,5), "the brook of Kidron" (Jeremiah 31:40), "the valley of Jehoshaphat" (Joel 3:2,12), "the valley of decision" (Joel 3:14), and "Armageddon" (Revelation 16:16) - to worship Jesus in Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:12, Zechariah 14:16,17), at the temple (Acts 6:12, 7:1,6,7).

Because Israel transgressed the covenant and did not hearken unto the voice of the LORD (Judges 2:20), he did not drive out all of the nations, to prove them, and to teach them war through them (Judges 2:21-23, 3:1). So the first 53 years of the 2,800 years is 8 years (Judges 3:8) + 18 years (Judges 3:14) + 20 years (Judges 4:3,2) + 7 years (Judges 6:1), because the land is still called the land of the Amorites (Judges 6:9,10, 10:8), as Israel is still "a stranger in a land that is not theirs" (Genesis 15:13). You cannot count from Judges 10:7-9, and forward, because it is not all of Israel that goes through that.

Then in 1 Kings 11:30-37 the LORD God separates Judah and Israel.

Then the land becomes the land of Israel (1 Kings 9:20,21, 2 Chronicles 8:7,8, 2 Kings 17:23, Nehemiah 9:7,8). Then in 718 B.C., all of Israel went out of their land (2 Kings 17:6,23) to be "a stranger in a land that is not theirs" (Genesis 15:13). Those that have moved back today is the LORD building up Zion (Psalms 102:16). "MYSTERY, BABYLON" (Revelation 17:5) continues to oppress all of Israel all over the world, and the 2,800 years of service (Genesis 15:13) will last until Jesus comes back (Ezekiel 47:13,14). So 53 years + 717 years + 2019 years = 2,789 years, at a minimum, by the end of 2019 A.D. The temple will be built by the end of 2023 A.D., and Jesus will come back by the end of 2030 A.D. - the beginning of 2031 A.D. Glory to God.
 

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The temple will be built by the end of 2023 A.D., and Jesus will come back by the end of 2030 A.D. - the beginning of 2031 A.D. Glory to God.
That's some fancy "Date Setting"

Is that like the Mayan Calendar predictions that came and left?

Perhaps the predictions of Nostradamus?

Harold Camping?

Jack Van Impe?

7th Day, Ellen G. White?

JW's Charles Raze Russell?

7th Day, William Miller?

Herbert Armstrong?
 
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Once again the OP shows the 70 weeks begin when a command to restore and build Jerusalem is given in the "Future" no date is given.

The 70th week will be seen when the (Man of Sin/The Beast/The Antichrist) is revealed in Jerusalem, and Proclaims to be Messiah God,

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at the revealing of this human man in Jerysalem, a "Future" Event no date given.
Not future. No signs and wonders needed. We walk by the faith of Christ that works in us not after unseen wonderments .

It would appear the man of sin (natural unconverted mankind 666) was revealed as a result of the reformation. The 70 ft. veil that guarded the way as a shadow was called the Holy of Holies it represented the unseen eternal used as a metaphor in that parable for that time period. The abomination of desolation (temple built with human hands) Its when there were kings in Israel (pagan foundation. . (no faith )

When the veil was rent from the top to the bottom. It exposed the man of sin. A mirror to the whole world. The gospel introduction to the law of liberty . (law of faith.)

According to Revelation 20:6 when the veil was rent mankind realized God was not a man . Satan lost his opportunity to deceive the whole word in that way .His dark face was exposed by the law of Liberty. God is light.

James 1:24-26 King James Version (KJV) For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
 

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Not future. No signs and wonders needed. We walk by the faith of Christ that works in us not after unseen wonderments .

It would appear the man of sin (natural unconverted mankind 666) was revealed as a result of the reformation. The 70 ft. veil that guarded the way as a shadow was called the Holy of Holies it represented the unseen eternal used as a metaphor in that parable for that time period. The abomination of desolation (temple built with human hands) Its when there were kings in Israel (pagan foundation. . (no faith )

When the veil was rent from the top to the bottom. It exposed the man of sin. A mirror to the whole world. The gospel introduction to the law of liberty . (law of faith.)

According to Revelation 20:6 when the veil was rent mankind realized God was not a man . Satan lost his opportunity to deceive the whole word in that way .His dark face was exposed by the law of Liberty. God is light.

James 1:24-26 King James Version (KJV) For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
I strongly "Disagree" with your "Symbolic Allegory" in a 70ft veil representing a "Literal" future event, in the human "Man of Sin" that will be revealed in a future Jerusalem
 
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I strongly "Disagree" with your "Symbolic Allegory" in a 70ft veil representing a "Literal" future event, in the human "Man of Sin" that will be revealed in a future Jerusalem
Why seek after a sign and lying wonder gospel if no signs are given ? Its a evil generation that does walk after the things seen the temporal corrupted .

Why reveal the abomination of desolation again and again ? We are the temple not made with human hands.

How many time does Christ have to make it desolate for us to understand there was no man standing in that Holy place. Revealing the "man of sin" the "man in the mirror." (unconverted mankind ). The fall is recorded in Revelation 20:6

The veil is still rent . The man in the mirror is the man of sin.

A living example in the works. Mathew 16: 22-23 Jesus was temped by the spirit of lies in a hope Jesus would get behind Peter and support his ministry. Forbidding the gospel from going forward. (this shall not ever be I forbid !!!!!!)

Jesus the prophet apostle was then sent with the words of His father. His words that were not after the will of Jesus's flesh.The Lord rebuked the father of lies .. . . get behind me (the unseen Father in heaven ) Satan, and not behind Peter seen.

Peter the man used to sin against God.( man of sin) Peter was forgiven of His blasphemy against the Son of man (flesh and blood) seen, the temporal again and again , Christ cannot dent his ow self .If he began the good work of salvation in Peter he finished it.
 

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Why seek after a sign and lying wonder gospel if no signs are given ? Its a evil generation that does walk after the things seen the temporal corrupted .

Why reveal the abomination of desolation again and again ? We are the temple not made with human hands.

How many time does Christ have to make it desolate for us to understand there was no man standing in that Holy place. Revealing the "man of sin" the "man in the mirror." (unconverted mankind ). The fall is recorded in Revelation 20:6

The veil is still rent . The man in the mirror is the man of sin.

A living example in the works. Mathew 16: 22-23 Jesus was temped by the spirit of lies in a hope Jesus would get behind Peter and support his ministry. Forbidding the gospel from going forward. (this shall not ever be I forbid !!!!!!)

Jesus the prophet apostle was then sent with the words of His father. His words that were not after the will of Jesus's flesh.The Lord rebuked the father of lies .. . . get behind me (the unseen Father in heaven ) Satan, and not behind Peter seen.

Peter the man used to sin against God.( man of sin) Peter was forgiven of His blasphemy against the Son of man (flesh and blood) seen, the temporal again and again , Christ cannot dent his ow self .If he began the good work of salvation in Peter he finished it.
We will disagree

I believe your Symbolic Allegory is in major error, as you try desperately to remove future literal events.
 
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We will disagree

I believe your Symbolic Allegory is in major error, as you try desperately to remove future literal events.
There are no signs as wonders to marvel in. . . given .Jesus says it a evil unbelieving generation, the generation of no faith that does seek after the temporal.

I believe That is one of the reasons Christ used parables to teach us how to "walk by faith" (understand the hidden things of God). .not after the literal temporal seen which has a value .

I think we should use the tools given us so we can rightly divide the parables. The word of God .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I would think. He calls literalizing the spiritual understanding the wrong manner of spirit. . after what the eyes see and not by prophecy. What God's Word reveals .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 

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There are no signs as wonders to marvel in. . . given .Jesus says it a evil unbelieving generation, the generation of no faith that does seek after the temporal.

I believe That is one of the reasons Christ used parables to teach us how to "walk by faith" (understand the hidden things of God). .not after the literal temporal seen which has a value .

I think we should use the tools given us so we can rightly divide the parables. The word of God .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I would think. He calls literalizing the spiritual understanding the wrong manner of spirit. . after what the eyes see and not by prophecy. What God's Word reveals .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Thanks for the response, I still disagree with your symbolic allegory.

The parables were written for the uneducated common man

Fishermen: Fish/Nets

Herdsmen: Sheep/Goats

Farmer's: Wheat/Tares