Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible

zone · Sep 6, 2013

it's just deism:

Deism holds that God does not intervene with the functioning of the natural world in any way, allowing it to run according to the laws of nature. For Deists, human beings can only know God via reason and the observation of nature, but not by revelation or supernatural manifestations (such as miracles) – phenomena which Deists regard with caution if not skepticism. See the section Features of deism, following. Deism does not ascribe any specific qualities to a deity beyond non-intervention. Deism is related to naturalism because it credits the formation of life and the universe to a higher power, using only natural processes. Deism may also include a spiritual element, involving experiences of God and nature.[17]

Deism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

Jefferson cut and pasted pieces of the New Testament together to compose The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth (the "Jefferson Bible"), which excluded any miracles by Jesus and stressed his moral message.

Thomas Jefferson and religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

it doesn't even belong in the cessationism camp, yet it's the very thing cessationists (who are discussing ONLY the apostolic era gifts - they are not denying God works miracles) are automatically assumed to be saying.

God is dead; dead religion; no faith; God doesn't heal....etc etc.

total nonsense.

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there are others who do not include a category of "hard cessationism" even within cessation (it doesn't belong), rather they compare the previous definition (strong cessationism) to a category they call weak cessationism.

they only use strong & weak in much much narrower sense - within the cessationist camp:

Cessationism by Willem Berends < click

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the above article narrows the issue even more.
it is actually more accurately what the internal cessationist debate is (within cessationism) - it's not a comparison between cessationism and continuationism.

zone · Sep 6, 2013

The Ultimate Cessationism Resource
Cessationism - Cessationist - Spiritual Gifts - The Ultimate Cessationism Resource < click

mini-derailment

sorry OP.

back on track:

Re: Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible

were (are) tongues known human languages?

AvalonXQ · Sep 7, 2013

Hard cessationism is not deism. Deism explicitly denies the involvement of God in human affairs during the time of the Bible; hard cessationism is a position on miracles today.

I consider myself a hard cessationist, but I am certainly not a deist.

zone · Sep 7, 2013

AvalonXQ said:

alright.
please use your definition of hard cessationism then.

"hard cessationism is a position on miracles today " - specifically this.

homwardbound · Sep 7, 2013

presidente said:

Acts 19:4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

[h=3]Acts 1:5[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

Now the following was before the cross took place:
Mark 1:8
I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Luke 3:16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

homwardbound · Sep 7, 2013

presidente said:

And this is clear:
1 Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

homwardbound · Sep 7, 2013

zone said:

You go on with the big words of wisdom

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”;
2 Corinthians 1:12 [ Paul’s Change of Plans ] Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, with integrity and godly sincerity. We have done so, relying not on worldly wisdom but on God’s grace.

[h=3]1 Corinthians 2:12-14[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. [SUP]13 [/SUP]This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

So if gifts stopped then the giving of the Holy Ghost stopped and new life in Christ stopped, I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 Peter 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

God is not dead and goes on forever in love to all. You continue to deny God as in not giving gifts to us. First it is life in the Spirit of God through the cross after the death,, (which is our death to self) then life in the resurrection and without the resurrection we are to be pitied of all people, if no resurrection. 1 cor. 15

Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,

So if one is willing to know Christ it is through his death, the death of Christ and his sufferings back at the cross.
Love you praying for us both to see the unfathomable love of God.
I see you see that and seem to believe God does not talk to us personally today, that it is only in the Bible, and is the last talking to us. Is that correct?

homwardbound · Sep 7, 2013

zone said:

So you do not speak to God and God does not speak to you today, except through the Bible only? No personal relationship?

homwardbound · Sep 7, 2013

zone said:

words of worldly wisdom is foolishness with God. It really is simple either you believe or you do not? You have already said you do not believe God hands out miracles today anymore. So is God dead or alive? What is God waiting for then.
And why do you FORBID others to speak in tongues as it clearly states to not to FORBID speaking in tongues?

ForthAngel · Sep 7, 2013

homwardbound said:

From what I see, her interpretations make entirely more sense biblically and in God's eyes than the foolishness of those using one or two verses out of context.

She never said miracles don't happen. She said that the founding revelatory miracles used to confirm the New Testament are inactive.

She never said God is dead.

God is waiting for people to stop being rediculous and grow up from their infant Christian states of mind. We have all the prophecy and future revelation we need until Christ's return. What more do we need? Psychic predictions of earthquakes and natural disasters? I wouldn't think so. If you look in Job, Satan had power over weather, so those types of "prophecies" are probably demonic in origin as they serve the church very little purpose as far as what we are supposed to do by witnessing to people and sharing the Gospel.

Are the prophecies personal to us, like "God said you will get that new job and a change is coming in your life"? That's so carnal and insulting to a true prophet of the Bible and God IMO.

Are the prophecies that go like "..and a wind will sweep through this church like fire and a river that will bring about a change in the coming seasons blah blah blah.." that make absolutely no sense and are so vague they could never be interpreted, and usually follow with unbiblical things such as gibberish tongues and falling down "slayed in the spirit" and running around like madmen? Is that prophecy?

No one is forbidding speaking in tongues. We are forbidding faking the true gift which is not active today. What blows my mind is that, at least at first, people have to know they are faking it, but continue in it.

What we see today is not biblical; it's PAGAN:

KUNDALINI ENERGY is typically described as a powerful energy source lying dormant in the form of a coiled serpent at the base of the human spine. When freed it reputedly has the capacity to effect great physical and spiritual healings. Christina and Stanislav Grof, New Age authors of the book The Stormy Search for the Self, describe how the awakening of the Kundalini energy can be triggered by an advanced spiritual teacher or guru. And how the awakening can bring up memories of past psychological and physical traumas. The Grofs state that "individuals involved in this process might find it difficult to control their behavior; during powerful rushes of Kundalini energy, they often emit various involuntary sounds and their bodies move in strange and unexpected patterns. Among the most common manifestations ... are unmotivated and unnatural laughter or crying, talking tongues ... and imitating a variety of animal sounds and movements" (pp. 78-79). The Grofs state that "careful study of the manifestations of Kundalini awakening confirm that this process, although sometimes very intense and shattering, is essentially healing."

Bhaghan Shree Rajneesh, the former Oregon guru, tells one of his followers in his book Dance Your Way to God, "just be joyful ... God is not serious ... this world cannot fit with a theological god ... so let this be your constant reminder--that you have to dance your way to God, to laugh your way to God" (p. 229). Often referred to as being "drunk on the divine," Rajneesh encouraged his followers to come and "drink" from him. Bhagvan's spiritual "wine" was often passed along with a single touch to the head. Many of his Sannyasins would fall to the floor in ecstasy after their encounters with Rajneesh.

Ramakrishna, an Indian saint, daily went into "samadhi," a trance in which one involuntarily falls down unconscious and enters a rapturous state of super-conscious bliss (ananda), complete with beautiful visions and often involving astral projection. These states could last anywhere from a few minutes to several days and were often accompanied by uncontrollable laughter or weeping. He could send others into this state with a single touch to the head or chest" (unpublished article by John Rice on file at SCP).

Swami Baba Muktananda, would transfer what was called "guru's grace" to his followers through Shaktipat (physical touch). This "grace" triggered the gradual awakening of the Kundalini which in turn produced various physical and emotional manifestations. Manifestations included uncontrollable laughing, roaring, barking, hissing, crying, shaking, etc. Some devotees became mute or unconscious. Many felt themselves being infused with feelings of great joy and peace and love. At other times the "fire" of Kundalini was so overpowering they would find themselves involuntarily hyperventilating to cool themselves down. (Performer Muktananda follower Joy Smith.)

AFRICAN KUNG BUSHMEN OF THE KALAHAIR. The Grofs, in their book The Stormy Search for the Self, also cite an interesting parallel between the Kundalini awakening and the trance dance of the African Kung bushmen. During rituals the bushmen "enter a profound altered state of consciousness associated with the release of powerful emotions such as anger, anxiety, and fear. They are often unable to maintain an upright position and are overcome by violent shaking. Following these dramatic experiences, they typically enter a state of ecstatic rapture. According to the bushmen tradition, the dance releases from the base of the spine a cosmic healing force called ntum or `medicine.' This is then passed by direct physical contact from one person to another."

QIGONG (ancient Chinese practice). Yan Xin, a Chinese Qigong master known to most of the over one billion people in China, gave a talk in San Francisco in 1991. 1,700 devotees--most of them Chinese--showed up at the Masonic auditorium to listen to Yan. The San Francisco Chronicle on May 16, 1991, reported that "minutes" into his talk, several began experiencing what Yan calls spontaneous movements. The Chronicle reporter said that "before long, the scene began to resemble a Pentecostal prayer meeting with many people waving their arms and making unintelligible sounds." Yan told his audience, "Those who are sensitive might start having some strong physical sensations--or start laughing or crying. Don't worry. This is quite normal." The article said that "since 1985, when a Qigong revival started sweeping China, 50 to 60 million Chinese have gone to see Yan."

SUBUD. According to The Encyclopedia of American Religions by J. Gordon Melton, the central element of the Subud faith is the practice of "latihan." Latihan is the way one surrenders to the power of God. It is a group process. The Encyclopedia says, "The latihan proper is a time of moving the consciousness beyond mind and desire and allowing the power to enter and do its work ... often accompanying the spontaneous period are various body movements and vocal manifestations--cries, moans, laughter and singing. These occur in the voluntary surrender of the self to the power. During this time, people report sensations of love and freedom and often, healings. All reach a higher level of consciousness.

O Timothy magazine, Volume 12, Issue 3, 1995. David W. Cloud, Editor

ForthAngel · Sep 7, 2013

Are none involved in this stuff terrified by these verses because none of them can provide proof of there being a difference in real and fake?

Galatians 1
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared

Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Thessalonians 2
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 Peter 5
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Matthew 16
1 And the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and to test him they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered them, “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.’ 3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” So he left them and departed.

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

ForthAngel · Sep 7, 2013

2 Timothy 4
1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5 As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, “Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans?” 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

2 Timothy 3
1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

zone · Sep 7, 2013

homwardbound said:

ARE TONGUES HUMAN LANGUAGES?

zone · Sep 7, 2013

homwardbound said:

hands out miracles?

i've never said God doesn't perform miracles.

is God dead or alive? typical.

z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z

you haven't even obeyed the gospel to be baptized yet so i don't even know why i'm talking to such a disobedient person.

homwardbound said:

ha? waiting for what?

homwardbound said:

i don't forbid anyone to.
they go right on ahead regardless.

FILL YOUR BOOTS.

which languages do you speak home?

unclefester · Sep 7, 2013

zone said:

Precisely. Anybody that's read and agrees with/believes the 2nd chapter of Acts knows that they were human languages. All the humming and hawing and avoiding the truth .... and receiving Amen's from their like-minded multitudes doesn't change a thing. I'm convinced that many inwardly know the truth of the matter. Just too frightened to face it.

***Must spread reputation around before giving it to ForthAngel and Zone again***

eternally-gratefull · Sep 7, 2013

unclefester said:

people don;t understand, when the old english bibles were being created. the word language did not exist.

It was not called the english language like we call it today. it was called the english tongue.

livingepistle · Sep 7, 2013

My rule for interpreting the Bible is to let the Bible interpret itself. Please consider the following concerning "Speaking in Tongues":

The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians

Speaking in Tongues

I Corinthians 14th Chapter

1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 ¶ Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 ¶ Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else, when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

20 ¶ Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

21 In the law it is written,

With men of other tongues and other lips
will I speak unto this people;
and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Is. 28.11, 12
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 and thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 ¶ How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

37 ¶ If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Clearly the Bible explains "Speaking in Tongues" and in the 38th verse the Apostle addresses those that choose to be argumentative by stating that if any wishes to continue in their ignorance of the matter then let them be ignorant.Furthermore, the 28th verse states the following: But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Speaking in tongues is for a sign and must be done with an interpreter. If no interpreter then be silent. As the Word of God states, speaking in tongues is not band in the Church but it is better to prophesy so that all can understand; prophesy has precedence. Again, if you do not have an interpreter when attending Church services, be quiet or speak in privacy between you and God.

I did not read all 19 pages of this OP but some of the following content may have been previously addressed.

May God Bless Those That Are His

presidente · Sep 7, 2013

SarahM777 said:

Can you show me where that ended? The apostles continued to do miracles after the ascension. I Corinthians 12 tells us 'for to one is given' and mentions various gifts. That's what the Bible says, but where is the support in scripture for your theory.

Supernatural healing happens quite a bit in the New Testament. I don't want to use the word 'common' because of other meanings.

That's great. How does that detract in any way from healing through spoken words in the name of Jesus?

That doesn't make sense. If miracles confirm the message, why would miracles need to cease? The message is still needed and it is still preached.

That's the issue. What does the Bible teach? The idea that miracles were only needed for a short time to confirm a message and that miracles would need to cease after the message was written down.... that is not in the Bible. That is not what the Bible teaches. The miracles followed the word preached, and the Bible does not teach anything about miracles not being needed after the message is written. We have written scriptures, but it is still the 'foolishness of preaching' that saves them that believe. Preaching still exists. So why wouldn't miracles, signs and wonders? God isn't obligated to grant these things, but he certainly can. And the apostles thought highly enough of them to pray for God to stretch forth his hand to do them according to Acts 4.

livingepistle · Sep 7, 2013

Stephen63 said:

THE QUALIFICATIONS OF AN APOSTLE
Relevant New Testament data:
There are three qualifications that surface as prerequisite to a becoming an apostle in the official sense (Hayden, 1894, p. 33, expands these credentials to seven in number).
First, an apostle had to have seen the Lord and been an eyewitness of Christ’s resurrection (Acts 1:22; 22:14; 1 Corinthians 9:1).
Second, an apostle had to be specifically selected by the Lord or the Holy Spirit (Matthew 10:5; Mark 3:13-14; Luke 6:13; Acts 1:26; 9:15; 22:14-15,21; 26:16).
Third, an apostle was invested with miraculous power to the extent that he could perform miracles. The power to perform miracles included the capability to confer the ability to work miracles to other individuals through the laying on of his hands (Mark 3:15; 16:17-20; Luke 9:1-2; John 14:12,26; 15:24-27; 16:13; Acts 2:43; 4:29-31,33; 5:12,15-16; 6:6; 8:14-18; 19:6; 2 Timothy 1:6; Romans 1:11; Hebrews 2:3-4).
Jesus referred to His bestowal of miraculous capability upon the apostles when He promised they would be “endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49).

The Secular Definition of an Apostle:

Definition of APOSTLE
1
: one sent on a mission: as
a : one of an authoritative New Testament group sent out to preach the gospel and made up especially of Christ's 12 original disciples and Paul
Merriam-Webster

NT Scripture Definition:
The term “apostle” when used in an official NT biblical sense refer to individuals who were officially/divinely selected to serve as Jesus’ original representatives—“apostles” .
Jesus handpicked the original twelve apostles (Matthew 10:1-5; Mark 3:13-19; Luke 6:12-16; 9:1-2). Of these original twelve, Judas betrayed the Lord as predicted by the Old Testament (Psalm 41:9; John 13:18-19; 18:1-5). Instead of repenting, he cinched his apostasy by committing suicide (Matthew 27:3-5; John 17:12). Consequently, a successor to Judas was selected by divine decree (Acts 1:16-26).
Only one other apostle in the official sense is alluded to in the New Testament—Paul. His appointment to apostleship was unique in that he was chosen as to preach to the Gentiles; (Acts 9:15; 22:14-15; 26:16-18; 1 Corinthians 15:8-9; Galatians 1:11-12,15-16). Christ selected him to introduce the message of Christianity to the Gentile world (Romans 11:13; 15:16; Galatians 2:8; Ephesians 3:8).

Paul was careful to document the fact that his apostleship was by divine appointment (e.g., Romans 1:5; 1 Corinthians 1:1; Galatians 1:1,16).

The scriptures do not directly address the topic of apostleship qualifications because it is “Understood Subject”. Simply, the qualifications for apostleship was already understood by the Church body of believers, which made it not necessary to give a formal definition.

Some content taken from: Apologetics Press - Are There Modern-Day Apostles? and Understood Subjects : English Glossary

According to the scripture examples, anyone that has not seen Jesus personally and received a face-to-face with the LORD and given a directive from HIM; according to scripture, is not an apostle. They are "Fasle-Apostle".

Please offer facts if I am off base.

SarahM777 · Sep 7, 2013

presidente said:

Again the healings the apostles did were INSTANT in Jesus name. Again they were able to do so as it confirmed the message they were given to preach to all the nations.

Again the healings in the Old Testament were by prayer,which surprise James says the same thing when he says go before the elders,be anoited with oil and pray the prayer of faith. It not the same thing the apostles were doing. Can you say that the healings in the Old Testament were of the same manner as what Jesus or the apostles did?

And again as Zone asked are the tongues in Acts languages? IE Sprechen sie Duetch? Ja oder nein? Ich spreche nicht sehr gut Duetsch. Das ist nicht so gut. or was it zeebbeble zubble zame un da zinster hoople snapple? repeated over and over again?

Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible

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