Church of Christ

[Bladerunner]

The point is they are not Mormons!!!

I never said they were,,,,, You were arguing just to be arguing..... If one as the protestants (some of them) still believe some of the doctrines the Catholic Church had when they parted. Does this make them a part of the Catholic Church....NO..depending upon what it is they believe, it could place them along side of the Catholic Church.

If ( so as not to muddy the waters) Certain Churches of Christ believe that John Smith changed the Book of Revelation?????Does that make them a Mormon....NO!!!!!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

they are not preterists most CoC is amillennial two different forms of eschatology brother.
Blessings
Bill

I never even heard of preterism until I came to CC.. Amazing all the new stuff you find out.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ahhhh so you have issues with those who believe in preterism. Fair enough. Unfortunately, you’re behavior in this thread where you’ve refused to be corrected shows your inability to maturely discuss such topics. You’re set in your ways. That’s fine. I’ll refrian from discussing any topics with you. I’ve noticed you in other threads where you’re quick to point out who’s wrong. You’re condescending. Not too understanding and not very encouraging. Hopefully humility will come to you soon. It did me. Made me a lot happier in all walks of life.

I have noticed that too. Sad when we condemn our brothers and sisters on non essential doctrines. I think he is about to join my growing ignore list.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I have noticed that too. Sad when we condemn our brothers and sisters on non essential doctrines. I think he is about to join my growing ignore list.

Even if someone is blatantly wrong in their doctrine you dont go in telling them how wrong they are and condemn them. There’s tons of people on here I don’t agree with, but no point in making them defensive. When we do that the other person will spend more time defending a false belief rather than learning the truth. I think we should take time learning WHY others hold certain beliefs before we start telling them how wrong they are. You can still educate one on the truth without offending them.

for example, let’s say the doctrine of the churches of Christ is blasphemy and everyone knows it. I’m a member of the CoC and was baptized into the church 22 years ago. How am I supposed to feel when some internet stranger comes at me telling me how wrong I am? While it’s imprtant to show the truth one should keep in mind I spent 22 years of my life believing something some stranger claims is a lie. Naturally I’d get defensive. We need less of that attitude and more understands. I know you get this but others seem to struggle with it.

 

[preacher4truth]

Doctrine does not save, Jesus does.

However, certain false doctrines paint a picture as to whether or not the person has believed the true Gospel and in the true biblical Christ.

Watchtower doctrine is just one example.

 

[hastrup]

I am just curious.

Is there anyone here that is/are members of the Church of Christ?
I am a member, and I just wondered who else was. Just trying to touch bases and get a feel of this forum is all.


OHHHHHHH!!! And to those who may think that the CoC thinks we are the only ones going to Heaven...well, some may think that way, but I dont. I am not one to judge others for not believing the same way I do. So I really, do not want this thread to turn in to a church bashing thread like I have seen some people do that Catholics. Thank you. Amen.

The Church of Christ is the name every church in our world ought to bear. Christ is the owner of the church and the church must bear the name of it's owner.

I know little about the church of Christ, I mean what they really stands for. But that doesn't mean they are the only church approved by God. Bearing the right name isn't enough to be approved but doing His will

love, you are on the right path.

 

[mailmandan]

I've heard Roman Catholics point out that 'catholic' means 'universal' so they must be the true Church, yet the Church, the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) is made up of all born again Christians/Believers and is not simply the Roman Catholic institution.

If Jesus Christ returned for His Church today, He would not simply go to the Roman Catholic church or any other particular organization only, but would round up ALL genuine born again Christians/Believers regardless of what denomination or non-denominational church they attend.

I've heard certain people who attend the church of Christ quote Romans 16:16 which says, "the churches of Christ greet you" and claim they are the 'True Church' because of their name, yet Paul mentions the "church of God" (Acts 20:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 10:32; 11:22) in scripture and there is a denomination with the name "church of God" so should we assume it's the 'True Church' because of it's name? Of course not.

 

[stonesoffire]

There are many churches, with many different titles, and doctrines of faith. But, there is only one body of Jesus Christ.

If we are born again, and have received the baptism by Jesus, through Holy Spirit, we are of this unity of faith.

We should then be learning the walk of the spiritual believer, no longer of a natural man or woman, yet still in a mortal body on earth.

I would require these basic principles of any fellowship enjoined to. And would want to know also, what their goal is.

 

[mailmandan]

There are many churches, with many different titles, and doctrines of faith. But, there is only one body of Jesus Christ.

If we are born again, and have received the baptism by Jesus, through Holy Spirit, we are of this unity of faith.

We should then be learning the walk of the spiritual believer, no longer of a natural man or woman, yet still in a mortal body on earth.

I would require these basic principles of any fellowship enjoined to. And would want to know also, what their goal is.

Amen! 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

There are certain churches that teach false gospels, which will lead all of those to their doom, who strictly follow the teachings of that church. But those who believe the true gospel, and not just whatever their church teaches, are saved regardless of the group with which they are associated.

Conversely, one's church may preach the true gospel. If one truly believes the gospel, then one has eternal salvation. But if one does not believe it, then one is lost even though the official teaching of one's church (whether denominational or non-denominational) is correct.

 

[awolnation]

I am just curious.

Is there anyone here that is/are members of the Church of Christ?
I am a member, and I just wondered who else was. Just trying to touch bases and get a feel of this forum is all.


OHHHHHHH!!! And to those who may think that the CoC thinks we are the only ones going to Heaven...well, some may think that way, but I dont. I am not one to judge others for not believing the same way I do. So I really, do not want this thread to turn in to a church bashing thread like I have seen some people do that Catholics. Thank you. Amen.

I heard that CoC was incredibly legalistic/elitist which is what I was escaping from when I converted from the Jehovah's Witnesses to Protestant Christianity, so I chose to not head there. I have never talked to a church member or been to a service though. My beliefs kinda line right up with the Disciples of Christ denomination, though there are no DoC churches near me where I currently live. Idk, I don't really care about other people's denominations and whatnot. You're gonna get people from all over the place here. It's what makes this subforum such a beautiful, bloody, gruesome battleground of brothers and sisters in Christ...just loving the crap out of each other....

 

[hornetguy]

I've heard Roman Catholics point out that 'catholic' means 'universal' so they must be the true Church, yet the Church, the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) is made up of all born again Christians/Believers and is not simply the Roman Catholic institution.

If Jesus Christ returned for His Church today, He would not simply go to the Roman Catholic church or any other particular organization only, but would round up ALL genuine born again Christians/Believers regardless of what denomination or non-denominational church they attend.

I've heard certain people who attend the church of Christ quote Romans 16:16 which says, "the churches of Christ greet you" and claim they are the 'True Church' because of their name, yet Paul mentions the "church of God" (Acts 20:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 10:32; 11:22) in scripture and there is a denomination with the name "church of God" so should we assume it's the 'True Church' because of it's name? Of course not.

Yes, you are correct about the "rounding up of the church".... every believer is a part of that church. No matter how squirrelly his/her beliefs may be. If we all remember, MOST of the letters that Paul wrote to the churches were letters of rebuke and correction.... but he still called them "brothers"...

We can disagree on nearly anything, but we are still brothers in Christ.

I, too have seen CofC's that think they are the one "true" church (I am a member of the CofC)... but I have also seen Baptist churches that think the same thing. It's not specific to the CofC....

Reminds me of the old joke about several Baptists in heaven, fellowshipping with each other... and they see a group of others off to the side, keeping to themselves... one loudly asks "who are they?" The other one says "shhhh.... be quiet. Those are from the CofC, and they think they are the only ones here"....

 

[hornetguy]

I heard that CoC was incredibly legalistic/elitist which is what I was escaping from when I converted from the Jehovah's Witnesses to Protestant Christianity, so I chose to not head there. I have never talked to a church member or been to a service though. My beliefs kinda line right up with the Disciples of Christ denomination, though there are no DoC churches near me where I currently live. Idk, I don't really care about other people's denominations and whatnot. You're gonna get people from all over the place here. It's what makes this subforum such a beautiful, bloody, gruesome battleground of brothers and sisters in Christ...just loving the crap out of each other....

The Church of Christ is, for the most part, the Disciples of Christ without the musical instruments... of course, that's a broad generalization, but, doctrinally, they are almost identical. Both of them strive to have no "creed" but the Bible. And, many Churches of Christ (CofC) now have instrumental music.... the one I'm a member of does.

Legalistic/elitist? Not even nearly. They even let ME be a member...

Link to our website... Greenville Oaks Church of Christ if you are interested.

 

[awolnation]

The Church of Christ is, for the most part, the Disciples of Christ without the musical instruments... of course, that's a broad generalization, but, doctrinally, they are almost identical. Both of them strive to have no "creed" but the Bible. And, many Churches of Christ (CofC) now have instrumental music.... the one I'm a member of does.

Legalistic/elitist? Not even nearly. They even let ME be a member...

Link to our website... Greenville Oaks Church of Christ if you are interested.

It does appear to be really similar, but why is CoC so infamous for being elitist/legalistic then? DoC seems to have a really free-loving atmosphere and regularly interacts with other churches like the Methodists for different events, but CoC and DoC almost have a copy/pasted outline of beliefs on their websites. Is the website you linked to from the actual denomination? Cause there are a lot of Churches of Christ that are just called that, without actually being a Church of Christ denominational church.

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, you are correct about the "rounding up of the church".... every believer is a part of that church. No matter how squirrelly his/her beliefs may be. If we all remember, MOST of the letters that Paul wrote to the churches were letters of rebuke and correction.... but he still called them "brothers"...

We can disagree on nearly anything, but we are still brothers in Christ.

I, too have seen CofC's that think they are the one "true" church (I am a member of the CofC)... but I have also seen Baptist churches that think the same thing. It's not specific to the CofC....

Reminds me of the old joke about several Baptists in heaven, fellowshipping with each other... and they see a group of others off to the side, keeping to themselves... one loudly asks "who are they?" The other one says "shhhh.... be quiet. Those are from the CofC, and they think they are the only ones here"....

Stay away from "Westboro Baptist church!" My wife and I have come face to face with members of that church before in downtown Kansas City, holding up signs that say, "God hates you" etc.. and I can't repeat the rest.

 

[hornetguy]

It does appear to be really similar, but why is CoC so infamous for being elitist/legalistic then? DoC seems to have a really free-loving atmosphere and regularly interacts with other churches like the Methodists for different events, but CoC and DoC almost have a copy/pasted outline of beliefs on their websites. Is the website you linked to from the actual denomination? Cause there are a lot of Churches of Christ that are just called that, without actually being a Church of Christ denominational church.

Yes, it's a Church of Christ.... used to be called the Allen Church of Christ, but we/they changed the name so as not to be confused with the "Boston Movement" cult weirdos. We've been members there for about 20 years now...

Some CofC's would call us "liberal" because we have one instrumental worship service, but we are a "denominational" CofC.

 

[hornetguy]

Stay away from "Westboro Baptist church!" My wife and I have come face to face with members of that church before in downtown Kansas City, holding up signs that say, "God hates you" etc.. and I can't repeat the rest.

Yes, the Westboro "Baptists" are about as mainline Baptist as the Boston Movement CofC's are mainline CofC.

Cultist wackos.... both groups.

 

[hornetguy]

These are a couple of items from our FAQ page on the website...

[h=3]What do you teach about baptism? Would I have to be baptized again in order to be a member here?[/h]
Baptism is a “promise made to God from a good conscience” (1 Peter 3:21 TEV). We urge all believers to be baptized (immersed in water) as an outward expression of their inward commitment to place all of their trust in Jesus and to belong completely to him. Those who have already been baptized as a response of their faith in Jesus before coming to Greenville Oaks do not need to be baptized again. For those who are not, we would consider it a privilege to be a part of this important step. You can learn more by attending Discovering Greenville Oaks.

[h=3]Can I participate in the communion service even though I am not a member?[/h]
Yes. Anyone who is a committed believer in Jesus can join us in celebrating communion.

[h=3]Can non-members attend Bible classes and Community Groups?[/h]
Most definitely. Here’s information about all of our current Bible classes and Community Groups.

Like I said, it's hardly an "elitist" group of believers..

 

[Johnny_B]

I've heard certain people who attend the church of Christ quote Romans 16:16 which says, "the churches of Christ greet you" and claim they are the 'True Church' because of their name, yet Paul mentions the "church of God" (Acts 20:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 10:32; 11:22) in scripture and there is a denomination with the name "church of God" so should we assume it's the 'True Church' because of it's name? Of course not.

What is interesting is there is a group that are called the Church of God and Church of God in Christ and both believe that they are from those Churches literally. There seems to be more then one Church of Christ movement. Max Lucado is part of one of them and the one he is part of believes in baptismal regeneration, from what I understand, I know that evangelical leaders have brought this point up to him as being false doctrine and of course he says that he does not believe that, yet he will not seperate himself from that organization. Not sure which Church of Chirst he belongs to but from what I have found out about this movement being more of a Reformed movement that is not where Max come from or the angel he writes from anyway, but then again I have not read any of his books I have read parts of one and did not get a Reformed viewpoint from it.

Back 20 years ago they also had a faction that was called, "The Boston Church of Chirst" that was a cult, they had a disciplship program that was their cult nature. You had to confess your sins to your discipler and they were used against you for submission, your discipler basically controled your life, down to how your were to spend your money and how much to give as well.

CRI has an article on them, encase do not know who CRI is, they are the Christian Research Institute it was founded by the late Dr. Walter Martin, the new guy Hank Hanagraff does not have a very good testimony and from I understand some of his articles are questionable, but that article was written before he was in full control of CRI.

I myself had not heard of this Church of Christ, all the ones in my neck of the woods are associated with the baptismal regeneration group. It seems this group is more Reformed, if the Robert Haldane is the same one that has a commantary of the book of Romans, it is one of the classics. It has Spurgeon as giving his endorsement for the book.

 

[DJ2]

I've heard Roman Catholics point out that 'catholic' means 'universal' so they must be the true Church, yet the Church, the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) is made up of all born again Christians/Believers and is not simply the Roman Catholic institution.

If Jesus Christ returned for His Church today, He would not simply go to the Roman Catholic church or any other particular organization only, but would round up ALL genuine born again Christians/Believers regardless of what denomination or non-denominational church they attend.

I've heard certain people who attend the church of Christ quote Romans 16:16 which says, "the churches of Christ greet you" and claim they are the 'True Church' because of their name, yet Paul mentions the "church of God" (Acts 20:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 10:32; 11:22) in scripture and there is a denomination with the name "church of God" so should we assume it's the 'True Church' because of it's name? Of course not.

I've heard Roman Catholics

I've heard certain people who attend the church of Christ

You do a lot of "I've heard"s.

Regardless of the chosen name, there is only one church/body of Christ. "church of Christ" is a biblical term, hence its use. Nothing more.

No one is

and claim they are the 'True Church' because of their name

Your words sound like gossip.

 

[mailmandan]

You do a lot of "I've heard"s.

Regardless of the chosen name, there is only one church/body of Christ. "church of Christ" is a biblical term, hence its use. Nothing more.

No one is

Your words sound like gossip.

No gossip, just telling it like it is. I've had numerous conversations with people from various churches. Now church of Christ, along with church of God are Biblical names, as long as we don't limit the body of Christ merely to people who attend a church with the name "church of Christ" or "church of God" stamped on the front of the church building.