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the agenda is as I have stated repeatedly.
to find out what Christians believe.
I am NOT SDA or HRM or some judaized offshoot man-made religion.
Labels are for boxes. quit trying to pigeonhole me into some denomination or worldly religious group.
I am a follower of and believer in Jesus the Messiah and worship only the One True God.
I am redeemed by the blood of the Christ, the Passover Lamb and my works are not worthy to be counted as righteous.
I am of the seed of Abraham and a member of the church of the God of Israel.
I seek first the Kingdom of God and pray that His will be done here on earth as it is in Heaven.
I will stand on the Truth and defend to the death the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD.
goodbye
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no actually I don't.
why don't you explain why you think OT rituals should be kept?
you know, as you did in another thread?
why don't you explain why you think OT rituals should be kept?
you know, as you did in another thread?
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what we have here is someone who believes just like others who want to keep half the law because they cannot keep all of it
listen: I'm not interested in this conversation with you. you are here to preach at us and I'm not interested
you already told me that Jesus came to continue Judaism and did not start a new religion
However, Jesus came to FULFILL the law; not keep it going like you and at least one other person here would like to teach
I am sure you have found that person by now so you can have some fellowship with her
I am not of your persuasion. I am putting you on ignore which means I will no longer see or respond to your posts. I don't need to argue with someone who does not believe the fact that following any part of the law is not faith.
listen: I'm not interested in this conversation with you. you are here to preach at us and I'm not interested
you already told me that Jesus came to continue Judaism and did not start a new religion
However, Jesus came to FULFILL the law; not keep it going like you and at least one other person here would like to teach
I am sure you have found that person by now so you can have some fellowship with her
I am not of your persuasion. I am putting you on ignore which means I will no longer see or respond to your posts. I don't need to argue with someone who does not believe the fact that following any part of the law is not faith.
God's Law is eternal. The temple rules are null because there is no temple. There are rules for the priesthood that will not apply.
but the Ten Commandments are not void. Never will be.
The Feasts and Calendar of the OT are NOT Jewish feasts and rituals, they are GOD'S Feast and GOD'S Holy Days and GOD'S calendar.
The "one who sought to change the times and seasons of the Lord" has done the damage already.
The gregorian calendar and the man-made holidays created by the church of Rome and their new brand of Christianity are NOT eternal and NOT of God.
Many of those who practiced the religion of Judaism were guilty of (and admonished severely for by Jesus) adding to the perfect Law of God with the 100's of extra rules to abide by and those things that they practiced took them from the True worship of God that Jesus was teaching. So often when the NT refers to the burdensome laws practiced it is referring to those that came from extra-biblical rabbinical writings. And unfortunately, many Christians took that to mean that God's Law was the obsolete and burdensome laws. God, nor Jesus, nor any apostle ever referred to the Ten Commandments as something we should not worry about obeying.
Ever.
The same way that new (and false) doctrine was incorporated into the practices of many Christians in the 1st thru 4th centuries due to the attempt to scrub the 'jewishness' from the religion by the catholic fathers. The religion that became catholicism is but a syncretization of greco-roman practices and the True WAY that Paul and the apostles taught. and practiced.
The church of Rome wanted so bad to convert people to their brand of religion (with demonic results) stated flatly that it was okay for newly converted believers to keep their pagan rituals and feasts as long as they pledge allegiance to Rome.
So then Martin Luther came along and recognized that the church of Rome had done what Mark 7 warned about.
He however did not do enough reform in my opinion. He was on the right track, but alas, we are left with her daughters, the protestant churches, full of customs and traditions of man taught as doctrine.
This is why I believe that Jesus wanted us all to keep the Commandments, Feasts and Sabbaths.
Because He did.
John 14:15
but the Ten Commandments are not void. Never will be.
The Feasts and Calendar of the OT are NOT Jewish feasts and rituals, they are GOD'S Feast and GOD'S Holy Days and GOD'S calendar.
The "one who sought to change the times and seasons of the Lord" has done the damage already.
The gregorian calendar and the man-made holidays created by the church of Rome and their new brand of Christianity are NOT eternal and NOT of God.
Many of those who practiced the religion of Judaism were guilty of (and admonished severely for by Jesus) adding to the perfect Law of God with the 100's of extra rules to abide by and those things that they practiced took them from the True worship of God that Jesus was teaching. So often when the NT refers to the burdensome laws practiced it is referring to those that came from extra-biblical rabbinical writings. And unfortunately, many Christians took that to mean that God's Law was the obsolete and burdensome laws. God, nor Jesus, nor any apostle ever referred to the Ten Commandments as something we should not worry about obeying.
Ever.
The same way that new (and false) doctrine was incorporated into the practices of many Christians in the 1st thru 4th centuries due to the attempt to scrub the 'jewishness' from the religion by the catholic fathers. The religion that became catholicism is but a syncretization of greco-roman practices and the True WAY that Paul and the apostles taught. and practiced.
The church of Rome wanted so bad to convert people to their brand of religion (with demonic results) stated flatly that it was okay for newly converted believers to keep their pagan rituals and feasts as long as they pledge allegiance to Rome.
So then Martin Luther came along and recognized that the church of Rome had done what Mark 7 warned about.
He however did not do enough reform in my opinion. He was on the right track, but alas, we are left with her daughters, the protestant churches, full of customs and traditions of man taught as doctrine.
This is why I believe that Jesus wanted us all to keep the Commandments, Feasts and Sabbaths.
Because He did.
John 14:15
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thank you.
I step on toes wherever I go. it bothers me not.
I am surprised at the reception here though from people who call themselves Christians. lots of preaching about love, but was ganged up on like I was a heretic with leprosy.
only a few have shown true Christian love toward me, they know who they are and the Father will bless them for bearing good fruit.
peace to you through Yeshua our Redeemer
I step on toes wherever I go. it bothers me not.
I am surprised at the reception here though from people who call themselves Christians. lots of preaching about love, but was ganged up on like I was a heretic with leprosy.
only a few have shown true Christian love toward me, they know who they are and the Father will bless them for bearing good fruit.
peace to you through Yeshua our Redeemer
apparently so is typing ability....teehee
i meant reading comprehension.
just because Jesus did not come to start a new religion does not mean that he wanted to continue the brand of religion that the jews had come to practice.
nor does He want that for spiritual Israel today.
i realize you've blocked me now, so this is for others' clarification.
i did not want anyone to think what you said was true.
i never said what you claimed i did.
that is all.
i meant reading comprehension.
just because Jesus did not come to start a new religion does not mean that he wanted to continue the brand of religion that the jews had come to practice.
nor does He want that for spiritual Israel today.
i realize you've blocked me now, so this is for others' clarification.
i did not want anyone to think what you said was true.
i never said what you claimed i did.
that is all.
hub and I hope and pray that 'when you feel that you must 'step on toes' that you are without question
why you feel led to do this and feel free for doing this is only for 'Christ's sake' alone...
surely you must know by now, that all who Love our Saviour MUST suffer for His sake???
it's our job...
offence is a word that no longer becomes a part of our ego, but to be accepted with joy...
why you feel led to do this and feel free for doing this is only for 'Christ's sake' alone...
surely you must know by now, that all who Love our Saviour MUST suffer for His sake???
it's our job...
offence is a word that no longer becomes a part of our ego, but to be accepted with joy...
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that makes sense 
and it's not incompatible with what i was thinking, too - i just made inferences from the introductory post about some of the facets of what you probably believe.
this makes sense to me too.
obviously, i didn't mind answering the questions. it was an enjoyable exercise - i took it as a quick closed-book quiz haha
i don't think it's a bad idea - even if the survey were a guise - it's not unwise to sort out what the prevailing thoughts are among us, who are all strangers to you. welcome to CC
but it also makes sense to me how several people have expressed that they'd like to hear the 'stranger' who has just arrived to sojourn with us give their own answers first, too.
and it's not incompatible with what i was thinking, too - i just made inferences from the introductory post about some of the facets of what you probably believe.
this makes sense to me too.
obviously, i didn't mind answering the questions. it was an enjoyable exercise - i took it as a quick closed-book quiz haha
i don't think it's a bad idea - even if the survey were a guise - it's not unwise to sort out what the prevailing thoughts are among us, who are all strangers to you. welcome to CC
but it also makes sense to me how several people have expressed that they'd like to hear the 'stranger' who has just arrived to sojourn with us give their own answers first, too.
i apologize -- i hope not to be offensive. but, i did guess from the OP that you had a certain focus on the law, in particular, the sabbath - and the Hebraic origins of our mutual faith in the revealed person of the LORD Jesus Christ. is that so?
I believe the church started in the wilderness. when God told His people that (paraphrased)" if you will be my people and I will be your God, then this is how I run things. These are the rules. Here's how you will build my temple, how you will approach worship, what days are Holy, etc. the first tabernacle was the first assembly of this set-apart nation. This is the Israel of God. not to be confused with the geopolitical state established in the middle east in 1948.
God is cultivating spiritual Israel. He is preparing His people (that yes, early on was predominantly of the Hebrew persuasion) for the Kingdom. And frankly I find it so sad that some who claim to worship this same God have such a disdain for His Laws and people who love and try to keep them.
I hate labels. Labels create misconceptions as we have witnessed here with people coming at me with their preconceived notions about my motives and beliefs. I have and will continue to gladly explain to people what it is I believe that the Word of God teaches.
Asking someone questions about their beliefs is a great way to delve into scripture and discuss certain topics.
We can all learn from each other and I have already learned something new from you that I believe to be TRUTH and in accordance with the Holy Word.
Thank you for that and thank the Father for using you to shed light.
that makes sense
and it's not incompatible with what i was thinking, too - i just made inferences from the introductory post about some of the facets of what you probably believe.
this makes sense to me too.
obviously, i didn't mind answering the questions. it was an enjoyable exercise - i took it as a quick closed-book quiz haha
i don't think it's a bad idea - even if the survey were a guise - it's not unwise to sort out what the prevailing thoughts are among us, who are all strangers to you. welcome to CC
but it also makes sense to me how several people have expressed that they'd like to hear the 'stranger' who has just arrived to sojourn with us give their own answers first, too.
and it's not incompatible with what i was thinking, too - i just made inferences from the introductory post about some of the facets of what you probably believe.
this makes sense to me too.
obviously, i didn't mind answering the questions. it was an enjoyable exercise - i took it as a quick closed-book quiz haha
i don't think it's a bad idea - even if the survey were a guise - it's not unwise to sort out what the prevailing thoughts are among us, who are all strangers to you. welcome to CC
but it also makes sense to me how several people have expressed that they'd like to hear the 'stranger' who has just arrived to sojourn with us give their own answers first, too.
i knew the heat it would bring.
batyah the heretic signing off.
speaking of Colossians, 3:3 sums it up nicely. i was nailed to the cross with Christ, and having died, the law has zero jurisdiction over me anymore. you cannot prosecute a dead man; i am made free - and having died with Him, i live, because He lives.
stone is dust. Jesus writing in the dust with His finger is not accidental, nor is Moses smashing the first set of tablets. man is dust, dry bones, and lives only because of God's breath. the body of man returns to dust and the breath returns to Him who gave it - so it is with the one who has died, and anyone hid in Christ has died.
all of the law -- just like all of the prophets, all of the poems & songs, all of the gospels and epistles and the histories -- all of it is testimony of the person and work of Christ. John 5:39 is ((i believe)) a command: search the scriptures, because the testify of Him. this gives the what and the why. it tells us what we are looking for when we read the law, what it's purpose is - and that what is a who, The Messiah. every single passage, every command, every account, every hymn.
stone is dust. Jesus writing in the dust with His finger is not accidental, nor is Moses smashing the first set of tablets. man is dust, dry bones, and lives only because of God's breath. the body of man returns to dust and the breath returns to Him who gave it - so it is with the one who has died, and anyone hid in Christ has died.
all of the law -- just like all of the prophets, all of the poems & songs, all of the gospels and epistles and the histories -- all of it is testimony of the person and work of Christ. John 5:39 is ((i believe)) a command: search the scriptures, because the testify of Him. this gives the what and the why. it tells us what we are looking for when we read the law, what it's purpose is - and that what is a who, The Messiah. every single passage, every command, every account, every hymn.