Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

[Jeremiah74]

Thanks, I appreciate your help..

Who came out of Egypt when the Torah was given?
- Exodus 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
-Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is home born, and to the stranger that sojournes among you.
-Deuteronomy 5:12-14 12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your ox, nor your ass, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates; that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you.
-Isiah 56:1-7
1 Thus said the LORD, Keep you judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

2Blessed is the man that does this, and the son of man that lays hold on it; that keeps the sabbath from polluting it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that has joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD has utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

4 For thus said the LORD to the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5 Even to them will I give in my house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keeps the sabbath from polluting it, and takes hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

-Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Jeremiah74]

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered to my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, said the LORD of hosts.

Is there Not only one body of Christ?

Is there A different God for Israel then the gentiles?

 

[gb9]

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered to my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, said the LORD of hosts.

Is there Not only one body of Christ?

Is there A different God for Israel then the gentiles?

Thanks, I appreciate your help..

Who came out of Egypt when the Torah was given?
- Exodus 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
-Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is home born, and to the stranger that sojournes among you.
-Deuteronomy 5:12-14 12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your ox, nor your ass, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates; that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you.
-Isiah 56:1-7
1 Thus said the LORD, Keep you judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

2Blessed is the man that does this, and the son of man that lays hold on it; that keeps the sabbath from polluting it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that has joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD has utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

4 For thus said the LORD to the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5 Even to them will I give in my house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keeps the sabbath from polluting it, and takes hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

-Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

did you go to a mountain to sacrifice??

and, in context, which should always be used, in Galatians 3. v. 23 and 24 Paul said, before what you quoted " so the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian ".

 

[tanakh]

Early Sunday morning while it was still dark Mary
Madeline came to the tomb and found that the
stone was rolled aside from the entrance.

John 20:1 The Living Bible

The Jewish Day is from Sunset to Sunset
The day of the resurrection started at sunset
on the Sabbath (Saturday), and ended at Sunset of the
first day of the week (Sunday)

 

[tanakh]

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered to my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, said the LORD of hosts.

Is there Not only one body of Christ?

Is there A different God for Israel then the gentiles?

Of course not! The incense represents prayers offered to God.. In Rev 5:8 it states this. The Catholic and Orthodox Church use actual incense but like many other things in the Bible the physical description points to a spiritual reality.

 

[Dino246]

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered to my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, said the LORD of hosts.

Is there Not only one body of Christ?

Is there A different God for Israel then the gentiles?

There is indeed only one body of Christ, and there is indeed only one God, the same for Israel and for the gentiles.

As Paul explains in Galatians and Romans, God has one plan, and He has only ever had one plan: faith. Israel was given the Law, but gentiles were not. Our relationship with God is solely by faith in Christ. Redeemed Jews have their relationship with God the same way: by faith in Christ.

 

[Adstar]

That is the Biblical truth of the account.

But what if we are born into a religion, that Comes in Christ's Name, that preaches differently and they refuse to accept this truth?

According to the bible, What would/did Jesus instruct people in this circumstance to do?

Well give people the truth and give supporting scripture to support that truth.. Always be ready to give an account of why you believe as you believe..

I do not see this issue to be a core doctrine of salvational impotence.. Meaning if a person does not know or believe our timing account it does not disqualify them to the Atonement Jesus secured for us by His death and Resurrection.. When they are resurrected they will then know where they where wrong on the finer details..

But really when Jesus said He would spend 3 days and 3 nights in the earth Christians should believe Him.. The more they cling to the Friday crucifixion belief they more vulnerable they are to having their faith in Jesus attacked by people using the prophecy of Jesus that he would spend 3 days and 3 nights in the earth against them and the legitimacy of Jesus himself..

 

[Adstar]

the word dawn, with the greek meaning, basically the meaning of the English word, is used in Matthew.

and, to be honest, I have studied the Jesus was crucified on a wed., the Pharisees were devil worshipers, etc..., and I could see some maybes .

but, you and other Hebrew roots/ sda folks, you use these things, which are possible, to point back to the law of Moses and keeping the Sabbath for Christians, which is 100% not true.

This issue of the when Jesus was executed and resurrected should not be mixed up with the Hebrew roots movement..
This is not about Hebrew roots.. It is about when Jesus was buried and when He was raised up..
Trying to discredit someones view on this by linking it with Hebrew roots is not good..

 

[Adstar]

Matthew 28: KJV
1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

The use of the word Dawn in this verse is not pointing towards sunrise Sunday.. It is pointing towards the start of the first day of the week.. The Biblical day starts at sundown.. So the scripture is talking about sundown Saturday. Not sunrise Sunday..

Dawn has been used often as an expression of the start of a time period.. such as the Dawn of time or the dawn of the space race..

 

[beta]

Make that "a doctorate" and you would be perfectly correct.

However you are IN GRAVE ERROR regarding these:

-Observe biblical Feast days and Sabbath
-Tzitzit
-Unclean foods

You are trying to revive the Old Covenant, and God will have none of it. That is why there is no temple in Jerusalem. If that is not a lesson in itself, then you will not learn any New Covenant lessons.

You are free to return to Judaism if that is what you prefer, but Christianity and Judaism are poles apart.

You are so right when you say Jews and Christians are poles apart !!! but neither does it make one or the other right !!! BOTH are WRONG in MANY ways !!! There is a MIDDLE-WAY that neither has yet found !!! Sadly neither wants to give way as they are locked into their own beliefs.
I despair when I read some of the posts as to ever reaching agreement ! What can we do ?

 

[beta]

Well give people the truth and give supporting scripture to support that truth.. Always be ready to give an account of why you believe as you believe..

I do not see this issue to be a core doctrine of salvational impotence.. Meaning if a person does not know or believe our timing account it does not disqualify them to the Atonement Jesus secured for us by His death and Resurrection.. When they are resurrected they will then know where they where wrong on the finer details..

But really when Jesus said He would spend 3 days and 3 nights in the earth Christians should believe Him.. The more they cling to the Friday crucifixion belief they more vulnerable they are to having their faith in Jesus attacked by people using the prophecy of Jesus that he would spend 3 days and 3 nights in the earth against them and the legitimacy of Jesus himself..

To get the scriptural timing of Yashua's resurrection correct will give us the difference between the true Christ and the false christ smuggled in by RCC under cover of darkness. It very much becomes a 'salvation issue whether or not we follow the TRUE SAVIOUR !

 

[gb9]

To get the scriptural timing of Yashua's resurrection correct will give us the difference between the true Christ and the false christ smuggled in by RCC under cover of darkness. It very much becomes a 'salvation issue whether or not we follow the TRUE SAVIOUR !

the timing of Jesus's resurrection is simple- by the way the jews kept time. Jesus died on thur. afternoon, ( 1 ) , was in the tomb on the Sabbath ( 2), rose after the Sabbath, on sun. , the first day of the week. ( 3 )

the jews kept time like this- days were from twilight to twilight. so, yes less get rid of the falsehoods. like Jesus rose on the Sabbath. an sda/ Hebrew roots invention.

 

[beta]

the timing of Jesus's resurrection is simple- by the way the jews kept time. Jesus died on thur. afternoon, ( 1 ) , was in the tomb on the Sabbath ( 2), rose after the Sabbath, on sun. , the first day of the week. ( 3 )

the jews kept time like this- days were from twilight to twilight. so, yes less get rid of the falsehoods. like Jesus rose on the Sabbath. an sda/ Hebrew roots invention.

Please please don't keep referring to 'jewish time-keeping, it is absolutely and totally IRRELEVANT in the event of the resurrection. PLEASE see 1Cor 15v3,4; where we are told it was all according to SCRIPTURE. And as I have already given all relevant scriptures in the post you REJECT I am NOT going to repeat. If you refuse to calculate according to scripture and simple maths you can not be helped. Why is it so impossible for the Lord of the Sabbath to resurrect on the Sabbath ? (want me to explain again if it will help ?)

 

[Jeremiah74]

What if Jesus died on Wednesday, Thursday was the first day of unleavened bread. a high sabbath, that's why Joseph asked Pilot to take the Body down before sunset. Jesus was put in the tomb just like the bread was put in the oven. (This is my body which was broken for you). So Friday between the two sabbaths the women purchased spices to anoint Jesus body . then Saturday was the weekly sabbath. Mary went to the tomb and he was already gone. interesting how she thought she saw a gardener. ie..(Adam was told to keep the garden) any way that gives us
Wed night
thurs day
thurs night
fri day
Fri night
sat day
and he raises after sunset.

 

[gb9]

What if Jesus died on Wednesday, Thursday was the first day of unleavened bread. a high sabbath, that's why Joseph asked Pilot to take the Body down before sunset. Jesus was put in the tomb just like the bread was put in the oven. (This is my body which was broken for you). So Friday between the two sabbaths the women purchased spices to anoint Jesus body . then Saturday was the weekly sabbath. Mary went to the tomb and he was already gone. interesting how she thought she saw a gardener. ie..(Adam was told to keep the garden) any way that gives us
Wed night
thurs day
thurs night
fri day
Fri night
sat day
and he raises after sunset.

which would still be after Sabbath. why do you guys, who love Judaism so much, completely ignore that that jewish days went from twilight to twilight, not midnight to midnight??

 

[gb9]

Please please don't keep referring to 'jewish time-keeping, it is absolutely and totally IRRELEVANT in the event of the resurrection. PLEASE see 1Cor 15v3,4; where we are told it was all according to SCRIPTURE. And as I have already given all relevant scriptures in the post you REJECT I am NOT going to repeat. If you refuse to calculate according to scripture and simple maths you can not be helped. Why is it so impossible for the Lord of the Sabbath to resurrect on the Sabbath ? (want me to explain again if it will help ?)

because it is very, very relevant. the jews did not keep days from midnight to midnight. but. from twilight to twilight.

i'll say the same as you- I am not giving you the proper timeline again. yours is a farce. the true one, kept by jewish time, is the one I laid out.

 

[Jeremiah74]

If Jesus died the day before unleavened bread it was Passover, He was the Passover lamb. It was never about the blood of any animal.
So he fulfilled or (Full of meaning) the Passover. So does that mean we shouldn't observe it when its all about Him. It seams so much richer than coloring eggs.

 

[gb9]

If Jesus died the day before unleavened bread it was Passover, He was the Passover lamb. It was never about the blood of any animal.
So he fulfilled or (Full of meaning) the Passover. So does that mean we shouldn't observe it when its all about Him. It seams so much richer than coloring eggs.

gentiles were never commanded to keep the Passover.

you guys need a serious upgrade in facts, and a downgrade in man-made religious non-sense.

 

[Jeremiah74]

which would still be after Sabbath. why do you guys, who love Judaism so much, completely ignore that that jewish days went from twilight to twilight, not midnight to midnight??

I never said anything about Judaism. Judaism is pretty much like the religion of the Pharisees. They added commands to the Torah making it come to naught like Jesus said. And I thought I was clear that I also know the day begins at sunset. "Body down before sunset. " .

 

[Jeremiah74]

From what I can tell being a believer in messiah, Its not a good thing to refer a believer in messiah as a gentile.
Mathew 6:7
. When you pray, do not babble repetitiously like the Gentiles, because
they think that by their many words they will be heard. ...

The words of Jesus