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There is no human or humanistic "explanation" for the deity of Christ. That He is Emmanuel -- God with us. God the Word took human form when He was conceived SUPERNATURALLY in the virgin Mary's womb, by the power of the Holy Ghost. Was this a miracle? Absolutely. Was it necessary? Absolutely.
Unless Jesus of Nazareth was God walking on the earth as sinless Man, there was absolutely no possibility for the penalty for the sins of the whole world to be paid in full. This is the "Mystery of Godliness". That God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).
HEBREWS 10: THE DIVINE NECESSITY FOR THE INCARNATION OF CHRIST
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Unless Jesus of Nazareth was God walking on the earth as sinless Man, there was absolutely no possibility for the penalty for the sins of the whole world to be paid in full. This is the "Mystery of Godliness". That God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).
HEBREWS 10: THE DIVINE NECESSITY FOR THE INCARNATION OF CHRIST
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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For behold!
I create new heavens and a new earth;
and the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
(Isaiah 65:17)
another proof here: - it is the LORD who says He creates new heavenes and a new earth - a new dwelling place
- it is Christ who says He goes 'to prepare a place for us' ((John 14:2-3))
- it is Christ by whom all things in heaven and earth are made ((John 1:3, Colossians 1:16))
- 'The One Seated on The Throne' in Revelation 21:5 restates the declaration in Isaiah 65:16, saying, "I am making all things new!"
- the throne is the ((singular)) throne 'of God and of the Lamb' ((Revelation 22:3))
- one throne called the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb
- God sits on it ((Rev. 7:10)) and the Lamb ((Revelation 7:17))
- → Christ is God
- The One Who makes all things new identifies Himself in v. 6 as The Alpha & The Omega, the Beginning and the End
- vis-a-vis The First and the Last ((Revelation 22:13))
- this is both the title of the LORD and of Christ ((Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12; Rev. 1:8, 1:17, 22:13-16))
- in previous posts it has been discussed that this fact alone identifies Christ & YHVH as equivalent
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- in previous posts it has been discussed that this fact alone identifies Christ & YHVH as equivalent
- the throne is the ((singular)) throne 'of God and of the Lamb' ((Revelation 22:3))
- therefore it is Christ who creates the new heavens and the new earth;
- He is equivalently seated on the throne of God, is called by the names of God, is attributed to being the Creator of all things on heaven and on earth, and in particular self-identifies as the One creating a new heaven and a new earth
- → Christ is God
- He is equivalently seated on the throne of God, is called by the names of God, is attributed to being the Creator of all things on heaven and on earth, and in particular self-identifies as the One creating a new heaven and a new earth
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just as an off-topic aside, speaking as a mathematician i would say in this case 100% + 100% = 100%
we aren't dealing with ordinary Euclidean algebra here; to do such a calculation we need a very different definition of '+' and a very different measure ((i.e. how to define '='))
God adding humanity to Himself is not like arithemetic '2 apples plus 1 apple = 3 apples' it's more of a topology question, and at that a profound metaphysical one, to which we can't blindly apply numbers. God is infinite by any such crude measures.
so our recently-banned-friend's fallacy was a radically insuffient understanding of mathematics, though i would in a sense agree with Nehemiah6, that it's 'more like' God increased ((in the sense of glory, tho even that is theologically unsound in a way, to say)) than it is like God became less God and 'filled-in' the 'missing bits of God' with mankind.
we should defend His perfect humanity just as much as His perfect deity; this thread however i expressly started for the defense/proof of His deity because i feel like it is the aspect more often under attack these days.
my prayer is as always that it blesses & equips you all for glorifying Him
as such i don't really like to engage any of the arguments that take place here. i'll do it in other threads. but this one, i like to just stick to the topic: find His deity proclaimed all over scripture
we aren't dealing with ordinary Euclidean algebra here; to do such a calculation we need a very different definition of '+' and a very different measure ((i.e. how to define '='))
God adding humanity to Himself is not like arithemetic '2 apples plus 1 apple = 3 apples' it's more of a topology question, and at that a profound metaphysical one, to which we can't blindly apply numbers. God is infinite by any such crude measures.
so our recently-banned-friend's fallacy was a radically insuffient understanding of mathematics, though i would in a sense agree with Nehemiah6, that it's 'more like' God increased ((in the sense of glory, tho even that is theologically unsound in a way, to say)) than it is like God became less God and 'filled-in' the 'missing bits of God' with mankind.
we should defend His perfect humanity just as much as His perfect deity; this thread however i expressly started for the defense/proof of His deity because i feel like it is the aspect more often under attack these days.
my prayer is as always that it blesses & equips you all for glorifying Him
as such i don't really like to engage any of the arguments that take place here. i'll do it in other threads. but this one, i like to just stick to the topic: find His deity proclaimed all over scripture
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just as an off-topic aside, speaking as a mathematician i would say in this case 100% + 100% = 100%
we aren't dealing with ordinary Euclidean algebra here; to do such a calculation we need a very different definition of '+' and a very different measure ((i.e. how to define '='))
God adding humanity to Himself is not like arithemetic '2 apples plus 1 apple = 3 apples' it's more of a topology question, and at that a profound metaphysical one, to which we can't blindly apply numbers. God is infinite by any such crude measures.
so our recently-banned-friend's fallacy was a radically insuffient understanding of mathematics, though i would in a sense agree with Nehemiah6, that it's 'more like' God increased ((in the sense of glory, tho even that is theologically unsound in a way, to say)) than it is like God became less God and 'filled-in' the 'missing bits of God' with mankind.
we should defend His perfect humanity just as much as His perfect deity; this thread however i expressly started for the defense/proof of His deity because i feel like it is the aspect more often under attack these days.
my prayer is as always that it blesses & equips you all for glorifying Him
as such i don't really like to engage any of the arguments that take place here. i'll do it in other threads. but this one, i like to just stick to the topic: find His deity proclaimed all over scripture
we aren't dealing with ordinary Euclidean algebra here; to do such a calculation we need a very different definition of '+' and a very different measure ((i.e. how to define '='))
God adding humanity to Himself is not like arithemetic '2 apples plus 1 apple = 3 apples' it's more of a topology question, and at that a profound metaphysical one, to which we can't blindly apply numbers. God is infinite by any such crude measures.
so our recently-banned-friend's fallacy was a radically insuffient understanding of mathematics, though i would in a sense agree with Nehemiah6, that it's 'more like' God increased ((in the sense of glory, tho even that is theologically unsound in a way, to say)) than it is like God became less God and 'filled-in' the 'missing bits of God' with mankind.
we should defend His perfect humanity just as much as His perfect deity; this thread however i expressly started for the defense/proof of His deity because i feel like it is the aspect more often under attack these days.
my prayer is as always that it blesses & equips you all for glorifying Him
as such i don't really like to engage any of the arguments that take place here. i'll do it in other threads. but this one, i like to just stick to the topic: find His deity proclaimed all over scripture
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The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:
who can know it?
(Jeremiah 21:9)
man does not know his own heartwho can know it?
(Jeremiah 21:9)
I the LORD search the heart
(Jeremiah 17:9)
O LORD of hosts,
You who test the righteous, see the mind and heart
(Jeremiah 20:12)
God alone knows the hearts of men(Jeremiah 17:9)
O LORD of hosts,
You who test the righteous, see the mind and heart
(Jeremiah 20:12)
immediately Jesus, having known in His spirit that they are reasoning thus within themselves, says to them,
"Why do you reason these things in your hearts?"
(Mark 2:8)
He knew all, and needed not that any should testify of man:
for He knew what was in man.
(John 2:24-25)
Christ knows the hearts of men"Why do you reason these things in your hearts?"
(Mark 2:8)
He knew all, and needed not that any should testify of man:
for He knew what was in man.
(John 2:24-25)
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The disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
So Jesus said to them again,
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
(John 20:20-21)
how are we sent? the same way He is sent:
Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
(1 Corinthains 12:27)
no longer us who live, but Christ living in us.
likewise the man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, in Whom all the fulness of deity dwells.
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