Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Jackson123

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If we accept the answer that Jews or Muslims give us, that implies that we believe that they have accurate knowledge on the subject.

But if we say that they lack accurate knowledge, then it doesn't make sense to accept what they say.
So If you ask them, are you believe in Jesus as God, you expect they say no

Than don't expect Thou adore God (whole God) and catholic is lie
 

Dan_473

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Like I say, navajo may have zeal to God but not according to knowledge

It right translation, and God not according to knowledge is eagle
Good! We agree that the translation is correct.

Do Jews have zeal of the true God?
 

Dan_473

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Anyway I don't believe modern jews worship true God
True God have Jesus as one of the element
Do you believe this verse is true of modern Jews?

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
 

Dan_473

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No one come to the Father but by Jesus.

What is come to the Father mean. God is omnipresent

Come to Phoenix mean go to Phoenix and Phoenix is not omnipresent

To me come to Father is figurative

Jesus say come to Me ye who are labor ...

What is that mean?
Is Jesus in heaven? Come to Jesus mean go to heaven? How? Use private jet?

Come to Jesus is follow the teaching of Jesus, adore and eorship Him

And ITS mean come to the Father or worship and adore the Father.

Is muslim adore God? No

The only way adore God is by adore Jesus. Muslim not believe Jesus as God how they adore God.

God is Father Jesus and Holy Spirit

If muslim want to adore only Father, than they must say we only Adore God Father

If they say adore God must mean the whole God, since muslim do not believe Jesus as God, so muslim have different god and It mean catholic lie
I agree that come to the father, or come to Jesus is figurative.

I disagree that worshipping God is exactly the same as coming to the father or coming to Jesus.
 

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Do you believe this verse is true of modern Jews?

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
This verse is for 2000 years ago jews
 

Jackson123

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I agree that come to the father, or come to Jesus is figurative.

I disagree that worshipping God is exactly the same as coming to the father or coming to Jesus.
What is coming to Jesus mean?
 

Dan_473

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Please give more detail what you want To say.
Maybe a similar kind of story will help.

One day Joe witnesses a bank robbery. He sees the robber in a white shirt running away from the bank.

During the next few years, some people around Joe give him some misinformation about the bank robbery. They tell him that the bank robber was wearing a red shirt.

After a while, Joe becomes convinced that the robber was wearing a red shirt.

Then a psychologist comes to interview Joe. He strongly suspects Joe's memory has been tampered with. He asks Joe what color the robber's shirt was, and Joe says it was red.

Some people then said that because Joe was wrong about the color of the shirt, that he could not have witnessed the robbery. But the psychologist knows that people have been feeding misinformation to Joe, so Joe being wrong about the shirt doesn't mean that he didn't witness the robbery.

Can you follow how that corresponds to what Muslims say about the God they worship?
 

Dan_473

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What is coming to Jesus mean?
Coming to Jesus is the same as being saved, I think.

I think this is an interesting verse
2 Peter 3: 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

I think it shows that even after we become Christians, we continue to grow in the knowledge of Jesus. Does this mean that we cannot worship God while we are growing? I don't think so!
So I think a person can worship God and still be growing in knowledge about God.
 

Dan_473

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No, my definition of true God is trinitian God.
Good! I think we are making progress!

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Do you believe that the god that the Jews had a zeal of is a false god, and that's what Paul is talking about here?
 

Jackson123

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Do you believe that the verse is true for the Jews that were alive when Paul wrote the verse?
If you ask: do I believe jews worship true God?

My answer is No.

And I told you my definition of true God is trinitirian God.
 

Jackson123

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Good! I think we are making progress!

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Do you believe that the god that the Jews had a zeal of is a false god, and that's what Paul is talking about here?
Like I say, true God is trinitirian, jews don't have Zeal for trinitirian God, so they zeal for false god
 

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Maybe a similar kind of story will help.

One day Joe witnesses a bank robbery. He sees the robber in a white shirt running away from the bank.

During the next few years, some people around Joe give him some misinformation about the bank robbery. They tell him that the bank robber was wearing a red shirt.

After a while, Joe becomes convinced that the robber was wearing a red shirt.

Then a psychologist comes to interview Joe. He strongly suspects Joe's memory has been tampered with. He asks Joe what color the robber's shirt was, and Joe says it was red.

Some people then said that because Joe was wrong about the color of the shirt, that he could not have witnessed the robbery. But the psychologist knows that people have been feeding misinformation to Joe, so Joe being wrong about the shirt doesn't mean that he didn't witness the robbery.

Can you follow how that corresponds to what Muslims say about the God they worship?
I am not agree with this analogy. Muslim never believe trinity.

Joe was believe and saw white shirt.

It doesn't matter even If muslim was believe trinity, now they don't
So catholic is lie
 

Dan_473

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If you ask: do I believe jews worship true God?

My answer is No.

And I told you my definition of true God is trinitirian God.
Thank you for the definition.

Here's the question I'm asking:
Do you believe that Romans 10:2 is true for the Jews that were alive when Paul wrote the verse?