Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Mec99]

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you just as I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In these verses God gives us a list of sins that will keep a person from entering into Heaven. One of those listed is Idolatry.

Idolatry:
1. the worship of a physical object as a god


2. immoderate attachment or devotion to something

Catholics are Devoted to Mary.

Praying the Rosary is Idolatry. Praying the "Hail Mary" is Idolatry. Bowing down to a statue or picture of Mary is Idolatry. This will keep the Catholics from entering into Heaven because they practice this sin daily.

Exodus 20:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,



Bowing down to anything that represents Mary is a Mortal sin that will keep you Catholics from entering into Heaven. This is a sin that God cannot forgive you for if you refuse to stop sinning. God can and does forgive us for sins if we confess them to Him and try to stop doing them.

God cannot and will not forgive us for our sins if we refuse to stop doing them and continuously keep on doing them day after day.

 

[Mec99]

zzz98, Jesus did have brothers and sisters, not cousins like the Catholics teach. How long zzz98 do you think you can evade the wrath of God for the lies you are teaching in His name?

God is not asleep zzz98. He does allow you to do what you want, but, there will come a time when God will say your time is up and will remove you from this world.

You MUST realize you are not fighting against us, you are actually fighting against God by teaching the lies from the god of this world as Truths from God.

Its you who you are hurting, not me. Its you who God will cast into the Lake of Fire, not me.

 

[Crustyone]

I have only one thing against the Catholic religion which is mentioned, along with their most wonderful trait, and those are mentioned in James 1:27 (Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.) The good, of course is the helping of orphans and widows, which I hear about often. The bad is the pollution by the world, in this case the church doctrines and hierarchy, which were man made.[/FONT]

 

[KenAllan]

In the Scriptures salvation is received by Faith and Grace. Faith that Jesus IS God and Grace from God.

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast

Salvation is freely given to the unrighteous, to those who are sinners. We receive Salvation while here on this Earth.

In the Catholic Church Salvation is received AFTER one dies and is dependent on the person personal securing of righteousness by his own works. One of the works being time spent in purgatory for his sins. If one spends enough time in purgatory he will receive Salvation when he leaves purgatory.

In Christianity we rely on God for everything needed to receive our Salvation. Its not by what we do or have done that secures our Salvation for us, its all about what God has done for us.

In Catholicism Salvation is received by what the Catholic has done to make himself righteous by his own works. The Catholics have to do the works the Catholic Church demands or they will not receive Salvation.

Do you see how in Christianity we rely totally on God for Salvation, while the Catholics rely totally on their own works for Salvation. This is the main difference between the Children of God and the Catholics.

 

[PeterJens]

The problem of not knowing God

Jesus's ministry was simple. God walking the earth, making His heart and manner plain and simple.
But hey, this cannot be true. I mean you cannot go straight to God, that is just too direct. Go to Mary, much more understanding, or the saint you relate to most, and get them to go to God. I mean, it so much more logical to get a whole crowd of people on your side.

But wait. If you have problems knowing what God is thinking, what His will is, why on earth would it be any better with Mary and saints. So I wonder where is the sense in this all. When everything is hollow and lost, putting more on top does not resolve the problem, it actually makes it worse.

 

[mailmandan]

zzz98, Jesus did have brothers and sisters, not cousins like the Catholics teach.

Amen! Mark 6:3 - Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?"

Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.

Roman Catholics may try to claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.

 

[PeterJens]

The Magisterium

The pope is from Peter through the laying on of hands. Now it all makes sense. The popes where never corrupt, self serving hypocrites who would betray their own mothers than doing anything good. Oh no, it is the office that has the authority.
Opps, what about purgatory, or paid for masses, or any number of schemes to add to the wealth of the church.

So how much still remains of the reality? I do not know, because each generation have to stand before God.
For me the real test is how many know Jesus, from the heart. I am sure some do, but as in any structure a lot do not.

Doctrines and ideas have come and gone, so it does not necessarily follow it has stayed pure.
But what really maters? The relationship of the believer to the Lord, so all of it is just a shadow of something more profound and real.

So to me nothing matters, just the life in each believer.

 

[zzz98]

Such nice Christians

 

[PeterJens]

Excommunicated

The RCC believe is you reject the pope you are doomed to hell. Forget morals, believing in Christ, walking in the spirit, you got to get your church right!

So unless I am a RCC I am lost. For me that is the biggest joke and supremicist idea. The orthodox church in greece and russia probably feel likewise. But for me that is the definition of a cult, where what matters is not who you are in relation ot God, or your beliefs, just following the right group.

So when Jesus called his deciples he said, no matter if Judas goes bad, he is an apostle, so he still has the same authority even though he betrayed me, and was a main cause of me dying. Position only matters if you have faith and walking in the will of God.

But if you listen to these churchs, where their people go bad, it is the office that is fine, just the person exercising it who has the problem. This is why they are banned from preaching and mainly just perform ceremonies, which themselves are meant to be the sermon. Not suprisingly most of the "believers" are not sure what they have joined or what they actually believe. But hey, believing in Jesus was never really core to the faith or how you believe?!!!!!!

 

[zzz98]

Excommunicated

The RCC believe is you reject the pope you are doomed to hell. Forget morals, believing in Christ, walking in the spirit, you got to get your church right!

So unless I am a RCC I am lost. For me that is the biggest joke and supremicist idea. The orthodox church in greece and russia probably feel likewise. But for me that is the definition of a cult, where what matters is not who you are in relation ot God, or your beliefs, just following the right group.

So when Jesus called his deciples he said, no matter if Judas goes bad, he is an apostle, so he still has the same authority even though he betrayed me, and was a main cause of me dying. Position only matters if you have faith and walking in the will of God.

But if you listen to these churchs, where their people go bad, it is the office that is fine, just the person exercising it who has the problem. This is why they are banned from preaching and mainly just perform ceremonies, which themselves are meant to be the sermon. Not suprisingly most of the "believers" are not sure what they have joined or what they actually believe. But hey, believing in Jesus was never really core to the faith or how you believe?!!!!!!

So glad you are here to tell me what I think and feel. What would I ever do without you?

 

[Magenta]

When the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA... he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable (Vatican I, 1869b, chap. 4, s. 9).


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This is the dogma declared by Pope Pius IX, and approved by the Vatican I Council, in regard to the alleged infallible teaching authority of the Roman pontiff.

For more than a century, this dogma has pressed greatly upon the shoulders of Catholics, who have worked feverishly to try to harmonize the nature of the infallible dogma with the declarations, teachings, and revelations of the popes who lived before and after the establishment of such a dogma. The truth is that the faithful Catholic does not have the option of rejecting the doctrine firmly imposed by Vatican I, because the canonical condemnation concerning its rejection is also firm. The canon warns:

So then, should anyone, which God forbid, have the temerity to reject this definition of ours: let him be anathema [condemned—MP] (Vatican I, 1869b, chap. 4, s. 9, emp. added).


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Thus, the curse is set upon those who reject the dogma, and the dogma has the approval of the Vatican I Council; thus, the pope is deemed infallible.

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1521

 

[KenAllan]

All that you stated PeterJens is why private interpretation of the Scriptures in the hands of the Catholics is a very, very, very dangerous thing.

For one they NEVER interpret the Scriptures for what God says.

1. They interpret the Scriptures to say Mary was without sin.

2. They interpret the Scriptures to say Mary was assumed into Heaven.

3. They interpret the Scriptures to say Mary is a Mediator between us and God.

4. They interpret the Scriptures to say Mary IS the mother of God.

5. They interpret the Scriptures to say Mary had no children after Jesus.

6. They interpret the Scriptures to say Mary's right to veneration and Worship.

Given the chance the Catholics will always interpret the Scriptures for what they WANT the Scriptures to say, NOT what the Holy Spirit says.

How can the Catholics say the Catholic Church is the only True Church when they follow Satan and his lies?

 

[KenAllan]

What you think and feel zzz98 does NOT matter!

What matters is the Truth from the Holy Spirit, not your lies from your God Mary!

 

[zzz98]

What you think and feel zzz98 does NOT matter!

What matters is the Truth from the Holy Spirit, not your lies from your God Mary!

What you think and feel about the CC doesn't matter. It does show you harbor hatred for Catholics against Jesus command to love your neighor. Don't give me the tired line you only hate Catholicism. You regularly address catholics, not Catholicism

 

[zzz98]

What you think and feel about the CC doesn't matter. It does show you harbor hatred for Catholics against Jesus command to love your neighor. Don't give me the tired line you only hate Catholicism. You regularly address catholics, not Catholicism

kenallen, your posts and Mec99 posts prove you have no idea who Jesus is

 

[blue_ladybug]

What you think and feel about the CC doesn't matter. It does show you harbor hatred for Catholics against Jesus command to love your neighor. Don't give me the tired line you only hate Catholicism. You regularly address catholics, not Catholicism

This IS a catholic heresy thread so of course KenAllan and others are going to "regularly address catholics" as well as catholicism also. No one here hates catholics or their faith, we're simply trying to show you why worshipping/praying to Mary is wrong and not in accordance with the bible. If you pray to her, that's idolatry. If you worship or pray to a statue of her or bow down before it, that's idolatry. If you use rosaries and say Hail Mary's, that's idolatry. JESUS CHRIST ONLY is to be prayed to. That's why in the bible he says "no man cometh to the Father, but by ME." It does NOT say "but by MARY." :/

 

[Utah]

What you think and feel about the CC doesn't matter. It does show you harbor hatred for Catholics against Jesus command to love your neighor. Don't give me the tired line you only hate Catholicism. You regularly address catholics, not Catholicism

Certain Catholics with their smug attitude can tweak me once in a while, but I don't hate them. I do however hate the Catholic church for its blind, chest-thumping heresy that places a lifetime of undue burdens on its parishioners rather than sharing God's grace.

 

[zzz98]

This IS a catholic heresy thread so of course KenAllan and others are going to "regularly address catholics" as well as catholicism also. No one here hates catholics or their faith, we're simply trying to show you why worshipping/praying to Mary is wrong and not in accordance with the bible. If you pray to her, that's idolatry. If you worship or pray to a statue of her or bow down before it, that's idolatry. If you use rosaries and say Hail Mary's, that's idolatry. JESUS CHRIST ONLY is to be prayed to. That's why in the bible he says "no man cometh to the Father, but by ME." It does NOT say "but by MARY." :/

It doesn't matter which thread it is. An admitted Catholic gets pounced on here and it is not welcoming.

 

[Utah]

It doesn't matter which thread it is. An admitted Catholic gets pounced on here and it is not welcoming.

This is true, Wayne, yet the blame goes both ways. Rather than sharing, discussing and praying together about the Truth, hostility runs amok rather than the Fruit of the Spirit. I'm guilty of it, and so are you; half of your so far 200 posts have been attacks, but hopefully in time you will rise above it, as I am in the process of rising above it now. I had a late start in asking God to soften my heart, don't make the same mistake as I did by waiting too long. That said, I encourage you to read Scripture for yourself. You'll be amazed at the work of the Holy Spirit!

 

[Gr8grace]

Bowing down to anything that represents Mary is a Mortal sin that will keep you Catholics from entering into Heaven. This is a sin that God cannot forgive you for if you refuse to stop sinning. God can and does forgive us for sins if we confess them to Him and try to stop doing them.

With this kind of theology....................I am surprised your not catholic!

This isn't Grace and it isn't the truth. In Fact get rid of the word Mary and catholics in this line of thinking............and you have catholic soteriology.

There ain't a one of use that doesn't have an idol of some kind. If we say we don't.............thats our idol.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. PERIOD. It is His work and His grace....not ours.