Catholic Heresy (for the record)

fordman · Jul 23, 2015

flob said:

Not sure where this coming from, and what you mean as a "dear saint." But to answer your question....No. No-one is declared a saint until after they are deceased, since every moment of life presents fresh opportunities to lose one's salvation.

Now you may be wondering, How do the Angels retain the title of Saint? St Michael, St Uriel, St Raphael, St Gabriel, etc...

The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices. The participants in that solidarity are called saints by reason of their destination and of their partaking of the fruits of the Redemption (1 Corinthians 1:2 — Greek Text). The damned are thus excluded from the communion of saints. The living, even if they do not belong to the body of the true Church, share in it according to the measure of their union with Christ and with the soul of the Church. St. Thomas teaches (III:8:4) that the angels, though not redeemed, enter the communion of saints because they come under Christ's power and receive of His gratia capitis.

http://nweadvent.org/cathen/04171a.htm

Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

Mec99 · Jul 23, 2015

Its interesting that you call God a liar mwc68.

Romans 3:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

God clearly says ALL are under sin and ALL have sinned. Last time i checked the Dictionary the word ALL includes Mary. So why mwc68 are you calling God a liar?

I have MORE respect for God then you Catholics do.
I have more respect for the Truth from God than you Catholics do.
I have respect for my Brothers in Christ. Otherwise if i did not have respect for them i would not waste my precious time teaching them the Truth from God.

Why do you Catholics put Mary above God? Why do you Catholics waste so much time Worshiping Mary?

You can call us all the names you want but it will not change the Truth that you Catholics have been deceived by the Catholic Church.

KenAllan · Jul 23, 2015

Exactly where in the Scriptures does God say there is a Purgatory fordman?

I know God says there is a Heaven and the Lake of fire, but nowhere in all my Bible Studies have i seen God talk about Purgatory.

So enlighten us fordman by showing us the Book, Chapter and verse where God says there is a Purgatory.

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2015

fordman said:

Mec99 said:

And once again I wouldn't call it being obsessed, but giving honor. We honor not just The Blessed Virgin Mary, but all the saints, not for who they are, but for who God made them to be. We honor in them the completed work of grace. We honor in them their faithful obedience, which itself is a gift from God. The Blessed Virgin says, "the Almighty has done great things for me!" We honor Mary and the saints because we are struck with delight and awe at the wonderful things God has done for them. As the moon reflects the sun, so the Virgin and saints reflect the light of Christ. Without him they are nothing. With him they have become divinized–sons and daughters of the Almighty Father.

But did you attend the Mass? Now you say most if what the Catholic Church does is evil. Well, if that were the case, she is doing a pretty poor job at it. Did you know the Catholic Church is the leader of charity among all Christian organizations worldwide? Pretty evil.. huh? Did you know the Catholic Church pretty much stands alone among all Christian organizations in the fight against abortion? Pretty evil...Huh? When was the last time you stood outside an abortion clinic with us Catholics in peaceful, prayerful protest against the murder of the most innocent? Or is that to evil for you as well? And lastly maybe you'd like to tell all the children and parents of all denominations at St. Judes Catholic Hospital, how evil it is for them not taking payment for the treatment of their child. That's pretty evil....Huh?
Ubi caritas et amour, Ubi caritas, Deus ibi est. (Where there are charity and love,God is there.) Do you get my drift? Sheesh!

Icons, statues and candles....Yes! To worship Mary? No!
If you really beleive that Catholics worship Mary, I would challenge you to go back to this church, and ask every Parishioner, Nun, or Priest, leaving or entering, if they are there for the purpose of worshiping The Blessed Virgin Mary. To find the truth, go to the source. I guarantee, if you do, you will walk away with a whole differnt way of thinking.
Don't take the word from the likes of valiant, Jackson123,or kenallen that have an anti-Catholic agenda, and despise the Catholic Church and her teachings. Go find out for yourself! If going to this church you speak if is not possible, go to the nearist Catholic Church, and do the same.

Really? If thats the case, would you mind giving me the City/State, and name of this Catholic Church/Parish you speak of? Most Catholic Churches have web-sites that depict the inside of their church, and I'm sure this church is no differnt. Now if what you say is to be true, I see no reason why you wouldn't.

Let's talk after you get back from talking with the folks at the church. I bet you'll have a whole differnt perspective.
　
Pax Christi
　
"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

exodus 20
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

thou shall not bow

Pope entrust the world to Mary??

Pope bow
[h=1]In front of Fatima statue, Pope Francis entrusts the world to Mary[/h]

by Francis X Rocca
posted Monday, 14 Oct 2013

Pope Francis and the statue of Our Lady of Fatima (Photo: PA)

Ceremony held in front of 100,000 pilgrims in St Peter's Square

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2015

Pope entrust the world/whole world to Mary

The world is a big

If Pope entrust one city to Mary and the whole world to God it is wrong but I understand, God is more then Mary, so if pope entrust a city, there are thousand city in the world, one for Mary the rest for Jesus.

But Pope entrust the world to Mary. Nothing for Jesus

Is Mary trust worthy then Jesus?

Jimbone · Jul 23, 2015

fordman said:

If you are right here how do you explain Rev 13:7?
7It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

And

Acts 9:32 32Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda.

And

Acts 9:40-41 40But Peter sent them all out and knelt down and prayed, and turning to the body, he said, "Tabitha, arise." And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter, she sat up. 41And he gave her his hand and raised her up; and calling the saints and widows, he presented her alive.

These are a few that show that you can be a Saint while alive, as a matter of fact all that have His Spirit inside are saints, and I know I'm not dead yet. See we're talking about biblical saints not RCC saints, there's obviously a difference.

mwc68 · Jul 23, 2015

Mec99 said:

Its interesting that you call God a liar mwc68.

Romans 3:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

God clearly says ALL are under sin and ALL have sinned. Last time i checked the Dictionary the word ALL includes Mary. So why mwc68 are you calling God a liar?

I have MORE respect for God then you Catholics do.
I have more respect for the Truth from God than you Catholics do.
I have respect for my Brothers in Christ. Otherwise if i did not have respect for them i would not waste my precious time teaching them the Truth from God.

Why do you Catholics put Mary above God? Why do you Catholics waste so much time Worshiping Mary?

You can call us all the names you want but it will not change the Truth that you Catholics have been deceived by the Catholic Church.

Its interesting you can't read! I didn't call God a liar

MikeHenderson · Jul 23, 2015

Are you saying that God is telling the Truth mwc68 when He says "for all have sinned"?

Last time i checked the Catholic Church still teaches that Mary was without sin.

So who is telling the Truth mwc68, God or the Catholic Church?

mwc68 · Jul 23, 2015

MikeHenderson said:

God said it through his Church. Enough already with this. I disagree with your abuse of the Blessed Mary

MikeHenderson · Jul 23, 2015

God never said Mary was without sin.

It was the Catholic Church that said Mary was without sin.

The last time i checked the Catholic Church is not God.

So why are you Catholics rejecting what God says to follow what the Catholic Church says?

Who has more authority on the Truth , God and His Scriptures or the Catholic Church?

Actually i am not abusing Mary. Telling the Truth from God is not abusing Mary.

Why do you say i'm abusing Mary? Who is greater, God or Mary?

mwc68 · Jul 23, 2015

MikeHenderson said:

Wow, ok, I agree to disagree right here right now. This is going nowhere and neither view will change. How's the weather where you are? Id say its hot here in Texas, but that would be an understatement!

notuptome · Jul 23, 2015

mwc68 said:

If God had kept Mary sinless then Jesus would not have by necessity to die to atone for sin. God could because He is God keep all men sinless. That of course is not what God did in that Jesus did come and die to atone for sin.

God limits Himself that He might satisfy His own demand for justice. The soul that sinneth it shall die. In Romans we have God concluding all in unbelief that He might have mercy upon all.

God is not a respecter of persons even Mary. Mary saw her son as the Son of God and her Savior. She did not need a Savior if she had no sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

MikeHenderson · Jul 23, 2015

Actually if Mary had been without sin God could have put Mary on the Cross for our sins and He would not have needed for Jesus to die on the Cross.

What God needed was the perfect sacrifice on the Cross to shed its blood for our sins. If Mary was without sin like Jesus was without sin, then God could have used Mary instead of Jesus.

Since God did not use Mary proves Mary was born a sinner just like the rest of us. Which now proves the Catholic Church is not the True Church because their are lies in the Catholic Church.

Luke 1:46-47
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Mary said: "My soul magnifies the Lord,
[SUP]47 [/SUP] And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Why would Mary need a Savior if she was without sin?

mwc68 · Jul 23, 2015

MikeHenderson said:

Actually if Mary had been without sin God could have put Mary on the Cross for our sins and He would not have needed for Jesus to die on the Cross.

What God needed was the perfect sacrifice on the Cross to shed its blood for our sins. If Mary was without sin like Jesus was without sin, then God could have used Mary instead of Jesus.

Since God did not use Mary proves Mary was born a sinner just like the rest of us. Which now proves the Catholic Church is not the True Church because their are lies in the Catholic Church.

Luke 1:46-47
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Mary said: "My soul magnifies the Lord,
[SUP]47 [/SUP] And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Why would Mary need a Savior if she was without sin?

So you're questioning God? Its ok. I do from time to time

Jackson123 · Jul 23, 2015

Jackson123 said:

fordman said:

Catholic not respect Mary by bow and pray in front of her statue.

She/catholic mock Mary by doing so.

Mary do not have more power or authority than Jesus.

Mary is regular human.

If one entrust to regular Human like me instead of God. I would feel insulted.

In the same time insult God. And Lucifer is in behind.

mwc68 · Jul 23, 2015

Jackson123 said:

I won't be entrusting anything to you! Don't worry

MikeHenderson · Jul 23, 2015

No mwc68 i'm not questioning God, what i am doing is questioning the ethics of a Church, the Catholic Church, who see's nothing wrong with teaching the lies of Satan as Truths from God.

Why mwc68 are you defending the Catholic Church and calling God a liar? You do know its God who has said ALL have sinned and ALL includes Mary. How can you in good conscience teach the opposite of what God says? Who are you trying to appease, God or Mary?

It seems to me you are more worried about upsetting Mary then calling God a liar.

kenthomas27 · Jul 23, 2015

MikeHenderson said:

Let me take a shot at hopefully explaining. I'm fully aware of Romans 3:23 and what this means. It means ALL men have fallen short and ANY man who claims he hasn't sinned is a liar. And for the Protestants who take this verse literally, can you think of any exception to this rule? I can. I can actually think of millions of exceptions. Jesus would be an exception. An infant still born would be an exception. I've actually read here on CC of many many Christians who have claimed sinlessness since their personal salvation and I have no reason nor proof to believe otherwise. I think the confusion might be the differentiation of sin nature and personal sin. In other words, we don't confess the original sin to God and ask forgiveness - we seek forgiveness for our personal transgression. You'd probably be surprised to know that the Catholic Church agrees that Mary was "saved". She needed the Grace of Salvation. But she was saved in a most sublime manner. Protestants tend to look upon salvation almost exclusively as forgiveness of sin already committed. But scripture also indicates that salvation can refer to protection FROM sinning. Read Jude 24-25.

Still though, the question would remain - what separates Mary from the sinner's "norm"? I won't go real far into this, but I think of Luke 1:28-30 when the angel Gabriel came to Mary and said "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!" But she was greatly troubled at the greeting, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God." Remember that Mary was "greatly troubled" at this greeting and the reason she was is because she was stunned at the "permanency" of such a title as "Hail" usually reserved for those of power or nobility and "full of Grace" or Mercy extended to her by God Almighty. Remember that the OT scriptures are rife with name changes like this such as Abram or "father" to Abraham "father of the multitudes", for instance and many others. So, Mary being "graced" by God or shown exclusive mercy was therefore beyond the norm of most of the sinful. Not that she was deity and not that she didn't need salvation and not that she was born without the sin nature, but rather that God found favor in her and extended to her His profound Mercy.

Jackson123 · Jul 24, 2015

mwc68 said:

Jackson123 said:

Thank, and don't entrusting anything to Mary as well. Don't follow your Pope.

flob · Jul 24, 2015

My goodness. What a sickening teaching. Then it is no salvation that is not salvation.
Asking you if you're a saint is asking you if you've received Christ, into your spirit?
Someone here above pointed out that the church's (the apostles') New Testament use of the word 'saints' means His children.
All who have received Him as their eternal life. Whether mature or brand new.
It is a permanent change, ontological and existential

Since there's no such usage or thought by the apostles, i'm not into that.

Now that sounds like you're at a minimum using the word 'saints' accurately

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