Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Katy-follower]

Why behold the mote in thy brother's eye but not consider the beam in thine own eye?

John 7:24: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

The faithful Christian must discern or judge on the basis of God's inspired law, the Bible. If judgment is made upon any other basis, other than the Word of God, it is a violation of Matt. 7:1 ("Judge not or you too will be judged").

 

[Katy-follower]

John 4:24: "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

 

[Shyness]

John 7:24: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

The faithful Christian must discern or judge on the basis of God's inspired law, the Bible. If judgment is made upon any other basis, other than the Word of God, it is a violation of Matt. 7:1 ("Judge not or you too will be judged").

But on the other hand, it says let he without sin cast the first stone. Righeous means to be sinless and incapable of sinning.

 

[Shyness]

But on the other hand, it says let he without sin cast the first stone. Righeous means to be sinless and incapable of sinning.

Also our righteousness is of filthy rags.

 

[Shyness]

One thing if one does sin, one also must make full restitution to whoever they have offended as a condition of being forgiven along with being regretfully sorry. That is part of repentance.

 

[Red33]

One thing if one does sin, one also must make full restitution to whoever they have offended as a condition of being forgiven along with being regretfully sorry. That is part of repentance.

Making restitution is one thing but to use it to make it a condition of repentance along with regret and being sorry, well let's just say that you are redefining repentance to fit a worldly standard that worketh death (2Cor 7:10).

Repentance that is granted by God through His own goodness (Acts 11:18, Rom 2:4) brings about a change of mind from everything that has influenced us in our conversation through the course and iniquity of this world system and leading us astray. Much of these things that have been responsible for leading us astray we have been blinded to by the god of this world and it is going to take the light of the glorious gospel shining unto us to reveal the darkness and to steer us into the light of truth of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ (2Cor 4:4-6).

This granted repentance could not be found by Esau, though he sought it carefully with tears (Heb 12:17) because it is only found in the face and countenance of our Lord Jesus Christ and cannot be found in any other. Repentance can not be worked up or be a spontaneous act of the volition without the goodness of God. It must be the result of the goodness of God that has effected the heart, bringing it to a place of contrition, humility and meekness so that there will be a change of mind to agree with God against every imagination and thought contrary to the knowledge of God.

 

[Shyness]

Making restitution is one thing but to use it to make it a condition of repentance along with regret and being sorry, well let's just say that you are redefining repentance to fit a worldly standard that worketh death (2Cor 7:10).

Repentance that is granted by God through His own goodness (Acts 11:18, Rom 2:4) brings about a change of mind from everything that has influenced us in our conversation through the course and iniquity of this world system and leading us astray. Much of these things that have been responsible for leading us astray we have been blinded to by the god of this world and it is going to take the light of the glorious gospel shining unto us to reveal the darkness and to steer us into the light of truth of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ (2Cor 4:4-6).

This granted repentance could not be found by Esau, though he sought it carefully with tears (Heb 12:17) because it is only found in the face and countenance of our Lord Jesus Christ and cannot be found in any other. Repentance can not be worked up or be a spontaneous act of the volition without the goodness of God. It must be the result of the goodness of God that has effected the heart, bringing it to a place of contrition, humility and meekness so that there will be a change of mind to agree with God against every imagination and thought contrary to the knowledge of God.

Restitution is a biblical concept,and there are passages in both Old and New Testaments that reveal the mind of God on this subject. In the Old Testament,the Israelites were under the Law,which specified restitution in a variety of circumstances: “If a man steals an oxor a sheep and slaughters it or sells it,he must pay back five head of cattle for the oxand four sheep for the sheep. . . . A thief must certainly make restitution,but if he has nothing,he must be sold to pay for his theft. If the stolen animal is found alive in his possession—whether oxor donkey or sheep—he must pay back double. If a man grazes his livestock in a field or vineyard and lets them stray and they graze in another man's field,he must make restitution from the best of his own field or vineyard. If a fire breaks out and spreads into thornbushes so that it burns shocks of grain or standing grain or the whole field,the one who started the fire must make restitution. . . If a man borrows an animal from his neighbor and it is injured or dies . . . he must make restitution” (Exodus 22:1,3-6,14).

 

[Katy-follower]

But on the other hand, it says let he without sin cast the first stone

This has nothing to do with discerning and exposing truth from error.

God has delegated the judgment of certain matters to men. The New Testament gives authority to saints (us born again Christians) to judge in Christian matters (1 Corinthians 5:12-13; 6:2-4).

Jesus does not forbid the judgment of the church upon disorderly members (2 Thessalonians 3:6). Individual judgments we must make of wrongdoers and evil people (Titus 3:10-11). We judge those who teach false doctrine (1 John 4:1).

Judgment is always according to a standard though. Moses and the judges of Israel were warned, "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty; but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor,.." (Leviticus 19:15)

"Thus hath Jehovah of hosts spoken, saying, Execute true judgment,..." (Zechariah 7:9)

The standard for Christians today is "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment,..." (John 7:24)

The standard of righteous is the commandments of God (Psalm 119:172). Paul, in Romans 1:16-17, points out that in the gospel is the righteousness of God revealed, and it will be used at the final judgment (John 12:48).

 

[Katy-follower]

Also our righteousness is of filthy rags.

In Him we have redemption through HIS blood (Ephesians 1:7)

Only through HIS blood are we made righteous. We are all as filthy rags before God. But through the blood of Jesus Christ we can stand righteous before God. What makes the Christian righteous is the blood of Jesus.

 

[Red33]

This has nothing to do with discerning truth from error.

God has delegated the judgment of certain matters to men. The New Testament gives authority to saints (us born again Christians) to judge in Christian matters (1 Corinthians 5:12-13; 6:2-4).

Jesus does not forbid the judgment of the church upon disorderly members (2 Thessalonians 3:6). Individual judgments we must make of wrongdoers and evil people (Titus 3:10-11). We judge those who teach false doctrine (1 John 4:1).

Judgment is always according to a standard though. Moses and the judges of Israel were warned, "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty; but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor,.." (Leviticus 19:15)

"Thus hath Jehovah of hosts spoken, saying, Execute true judgment,..." (Zechariah 7:9)

The standard for Christians today is "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment,..." (John 7:24)

The standard of righteous is the commandments of God (Psalm 119:172). Paul, in Romans 1:16-17, points out that in the gospel is the righteousness of God revealed, and it will be used at the final judgment (John 12:48).

Is mercy included in righteous judgments?

Jm 2:8-13

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

I will also say this concerning the judgment (Bema) seat of Christ for the believer. This judgment seat is a mercy seat and does not deal with sin but only works done in the body (Rom 14:10,2Cor 5:10, 1Cor 3:10-15). These works will be rewarded or suffer the loss of being rewarded. That is a righteous judgment based upon mercy and grace and nothing else. Not a single sin is considered at this judgment seat because the Lamb put away and blotted out ALL sin and it can never be remembered anymore. Remember that the throne of God, is established upon judgment and justice (Ps 89:14), as a throne of grace where the believer obtains mercy and finds grace (Heb 4:16). Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord (Gen 6:8) because of that throne of grace.

 

[4enlightment]

Not to protestants we're not. And therein lies the crux of the problem.

I was raised in a sort of multi-religion family. My mom was a Catholic, dad was a Baptist, and my grandmother was a Seventh-day Adventist. And had play parents that were Pentecostals. But I does remember singing this song in the Catholic church that I'd went to as a child. It's all about how a person perceive it. I notice now that some Catholic's churches are sort of reforming ( maturing in the word) themselves from the old traditional ways from their blind guides, by reading the scriptures more, rather than listening to the blind.

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Now, as pope, he has continued this pattern by ignoring long-settled traditions of what a pope should wear, where he should reside, and how he should conduct himself in public functions. Francis has chosen not wear the gold papal cross to which he is entitled, instead wearing the more simple cross he wore in Argentina. He also seems satisfied with normal men’s footwear, avoiding the elegant red loafers Pope Benedict normally wore in public.
Of course, not every surprise move by Francis was universally hailed. Vatican insiders were not fully prepared for the pope’s refusal to occupy the papal apartments, and they were surprised by his determination to include two women in a foot-washing service during Holy Week. The fact that one of the women selected was Muslim did not make matters easier to explain to some traditional Catholics. COMMENTARY: Pope Francis and a new vision of Catholic reform | Religion News Service

 

[Jackson123]

I was raised in a sort of multi-religion family. My mom was a Catholic, dad was a Baptist, and my grandmother was a Seventh-day Adventist. And had play parents that were Pentecostals. But I does remember singing this song in the Catholic church that I'd went to as a child. It's all about how a person perceive it. I notice now that some Catholic's churches are sort of reforming ( maturing in the word) themselves from the old traditional ways from their blind guides, by reading the scriptures more, rather than listening to the blind.

[video=youtube_share;7CobNWUXb1M]http://youtu.be/7CobNWUXb1M[/video]

Now, as pope, he has continued this pattern by ignoring long-settled traditions of what a pope should wear, where he should reside, and how he should conduct himself in public functions. Francis has chosen not wear the gold papal cross to which he is entitled, instead wearing the more simple cross he wore in Argentina. He also seems satisfied with normal men’s footwear, avoiding the elegant red loafers Pope Benedict normally wore in public.
Of course, not every surprise move by Francis was universally hailed. Vatican insiders were not fully prepared for the pope’s refusal to occupy the papal apartments, and they were surprised by his determination to include two women in a foot-washing service during Holy Week. The fact that one of the women selected was Muslim did not make matters easier to explain to some traditional Catholics. COMMENTARY: Pope Francis and a new vision of Catholic reform | Religion News Service

Seem to me He did it in preparation of one world religion. Include a muslim in catholic ritual is like accept muslim as the same religion with catholic. He also said in order to be save one did not need believe in God.


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Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

MICHAEL DAY

MILAN

Wednesday 11 September 2013

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In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

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Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.
“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”
Robert Mickens, the Vatican correspondent for the Catholic journal The Tablet, said the pontiff’s comments were further evidence of his attempts to shake off the Catholic Church’s fusty image, reinforced by his extremely conservative predecessor Benedict XVI. “Francis is a still a conservative,” said Mr Mickens. “But what this is all about is him seeking to have a more meaningful dialogue with the world.”
In a welcoming response to the letter, Mr Scalfari said the Pope’s comments were “further evidence of his ability and desire to overcome barriers in dialogue with all”.
In July, Francis signalled a more progressive attitude on sexuality, asking: “If someone is gay and is looking for the Lord, who am I to judge him?”




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[breno785au]

Where does he say you don't have to believe in God to go to heaven?

 

[Jackson123]

Where does he say you don't have to believe in God to go to heaven?

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

 

[TheAristocat]

We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.

Well said. I have an old Catholic friend who is in the nursing home now. I don't feel I'll be able to be at her side to tell her about the true Gospel as you did. But I don't think it would do a lot of good even if I were there to do so. It's hard to convert someone who has been set in their ways for 50+ years in a single day or a week. It's very unfortunate.

 

[VCO]

We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.

For the Record, I know several born again Catholics, and two of them are Priests. For the Record, if you dig into the Catholic Catechism, you will find within that Catechism the exact same Main Doctrinal Statements of Faith as the Baptists or any other Mainline Denomination. For the Record, one of those born again Priests admitted to me, "We have done a poor job of teaching those Doctrines from the Pulpit." For the Record, CHRIST recognized Seven distinctly different types of Churches in the first three chapters of Revelation; WHO ARE WE TO RECOGNIZE LESS?

And for the Record, I have never been a Catholic, but if I was forced to label myself, I would have to call myself a strongly conservative, non-denominational Evangelical.

 

[JaumeJ]

Read the OP.

Not to protestants we're not. And therein lies the crux of the problem.

 

[ivanc0]

We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.

I am not Catholic, but.... Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, So Mary is the Mother of God being made men.

You could have all the theories you want, but remember you not owner of the truth. me nither, the truth is own by itself

Thanks

 

[Spokenpassage]

I am not Catholic, but.... Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, So Mary is the Mother of God being made men.

You could have all the theories you want, but remember you not owner of the truth. me nither, the truth is own by itself

Thanks

I could debate with you all morning, but I won't...

Jesus was fully man and fully God. Mary is the mother of His humanity, not His divinity; this right here means she's not the mother of God.

 

[JaumeJ]

Mary is the mother of the human, the man, Jesus. Anyone claiming there is a mother of God denies Him, for He has no beginning and no end. He was not God when He was born, though He may have already been filled with the Holy Spirit. He was not in His glorified Body until 40 days after His resurrection when He ascended to His Throne.........Mary was a sinner just as are all born in the flesh, except our Salvation, Jesus. To say God has a mother is apostasy.

I am not Catholic, but.... Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, So Mary is the Mother of God being made men.

You could have all the theories you want, but remember you not owner of the truth. me nither, the truth is own by itself

Thanks