Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Cloud9]

So you don't believe if a person sincerely love Jesus, Holy Spirit will led this person to the right path?

Say he pray for Mary, but he sincerely love Jesus, Holy spirit not warn him that it is not real Mary, It is Lucifer.

Good question. I think your heart can be right with God in spite of wrong teaching. If you love Jesus then yes you have the Holy Spirit.

I don't think we should pray to Mary. She was not God and we are told specifically to pray in Jesus name.

But most people don't know El Shaddai is the Old Testament name of God and shad means breast. So El Shaddai is the feminine name of God. El Shaddai was like a mother to the Israelites in the Wilderness. God did everything for them like a mother does for her little children.

This world likes to stereotype women as weak. But women have been risking dying in childbirth for thousands of years without complaint and sometimes they have a dozen children.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Christ said if you want to be perfect then put on charity.

Mother Theresa was the personification of charity, Sir.

I don't know about all that little fact check says otherwise...

New Study Exposes Mother Teresa's Humanitarian Myth | thebereancall.org

 

[Jeff_56]

i don't believe Catholicism is wrong. you each have your own interpretation and that is the heart of the problem. even David. Koresh and Charles Manson. had their. own interpretation

everyone with their own interpretation is wrong. GOD'S WORD says of GOD'S WORD that it is not for man to interpret it.

God breathes/ opens the mind/ teaches , and it is known. This was as it was with the apostles, the disciples, and everyone after them who learned the truth.

when God breathes/ opens the mind/ teaches the truth to anyone, HE never contradicts HIS WORD, or anything HE has taught anyone else. simple.
those who contradict GOD'S TEACHING, are wrong. those who contradict GOD'S WORD, are wrong.
this
is as it always has been, as it is WRITTEN in HIS WORD.

 

[Jeff_56]

I don't know about all that little fact check says otherwise...

several years ago, the expose of m.t. from many different sources , and in her own words - she admitted it, she said it plainly- was published throughout the free world. m.t. admitted she was never saved. right up to her death bed. no final reprieve. no peace. no hope for the future.
and while she was alive, pure and complete deception. by her and all the other nuns. all over the world.

 

[Jeff_56]

this is so far from the truth. there's no way to properly correct it.

Jesus Christ is the greatest friend of women in history as is God but not Their followers.
The ancient Jews oppressed women and so did the Church.
Women Were Considered To Be in A State of Punishment For Sin
Women were considered to be in a state of punishment for sin
Now Adam was the head....He was in charge but Eve took all the blame from the world as if Adam had no will in the matter at all.
Adam means man. Eve means living.
The carnal is always suppressing the spiritual. Figure that one out.

 

[Jeff_56]

yahweh did exactly that. when priests who were trained to pray to mary, because they were all taught they were too full of sin to approach jesus,
when they learned the truth, when they cried out to yahweh(god) for his true salvation in JESUS, HE set them free from mariology idolatry completely.

the idolatry of praying to mary is totally destructive to persons souls. it destroys their life and their faith if they don't turn to the truth.

So you don't believe if a person sincerely love Jesus, Holy Spirit will led this person to the right path?

Say he pray for Mary, but he sincerely love Jesus, Holy spirit not warn him that it is not real Mary, It is Lucifer.

 

[Jeff_56]

read the BIBLE, GOD'S WORD, and the OP --- the thread here you are on, of the site here you are on ---- all of the authority that GOD allows calls the rcc heresy. no exception.

if a demoncrat goes to a repblicant convention, as if to pass as a repblicant, .... well, there's a chance
he will succeed if he stays quiet. or if he lies a lot. but if he tries to pass off the demoncrat politics as if they were repblicant politics .... see? demoncrats are not repblicants. repblicants are not demoncrats.

roman catholics who promote rcc heresies are not christians. christians who refuse heresies are not rcc catholics.

I agree. This has digressed into name calling

 

[Brainfreeze]

several years ago, the expose of m.t. from many different sources , and in her own words - she admitted it, she said it plainly- was published throughout the free world. m.t. admitted she was never saved. right up to her death bed. no final reprieve. no peace. no hope for the future.
and while she was alive, pure and complete deception. by her and all the other nuns. all over the world.

Yeah, I agree, have to look into her admitting it though, haven't seen that one... but I like cloud9, she seems to have a heart for Christ, and just wants to see a restoration of the church, that's understandable... Possible ? I don't think so, to much money involved and to many set in their ways. There's a right way and a wrong way, my fathers catholic, but he doesn't accept a lot that the church does or talks about, do I think he's going to hell ? Nah, because he accepts Jesus, and doesn't look to Mary and the rest of it, he's just Christian, but sees himself as catholic ..lol, but for the die hard catholics... My only words would be when the time comes calling muslims your brothers and so fourth, " don't drink the kool-aide " prob. something in there.

 

[mwc68]

yahweh did exactly that. when priests who were trained to pray to mary, because they were all taught they were too full of sin to approach jesus,
when they learned the truth, when they cried out to yahweh(god) for his true salvation in JESUS, HE set them free from mariology idolatry completely.

the idolatry of praying to mary is totally destructive to persons souls. it destroys their life and their faith if they don't turn to the truth.

i am quite fond of the rosary. it is very useful for meditating on the mysteries of Our Lord

 

[mwc68]

read the BIBLE, GOD'S WORD, and the OP --- the thread here you are on, of the site here you are on ---- all of the authority that GOD allows calls the rcc heresy. no exception.

if a demoncrat goes to a repblicant convention, as if to pass as a repblicant, .... well, there's a chance
he will succeed if he stays quiet. or if he lies a lot. but if he tries to pass off the demoncrat politics as if they were repblicant politics .... see? demoncrats are not repblicants. repblicants are not demoncrats.

roman catholics who promote rcc heresies are not christians. christians who refuse heresies are not rcc catholics.

Jeff , i really don't want your flavor of Christianity. All your knowledge has done is made you an arrogant, condescending fool. You can have it. Ill stay with the Lord

 

[Brainfreeze]

Jeff , i really don't want your flavor of Christianity. All your knowledge has done is made you an arrogant, condescending fool. You can have it. Ill stay with the Lord

I called someone a fool on here before, about bible numbers if I remember correctly, and I was approached with this scripture, so here I'll do the same for you, it's different to call someone's ways " foolish " but to call him a fool is wrong, even though I disagree with your take..

Matthew 5:22
21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER ' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' 22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.


​I'm sure he would accept an apology, anyways, God loves you, be blessed..

 

[mikeuk]

I don't know about all that little fact check says otherwise...

New Study Exposes Mother Teresa's Humanitarian Myth | thebereancall.org

Like all one sided disingenuous nonsense with an agenda, note " berean" in the title, it is a not very well written badly researched piece of disingenuous nonsense with an agenda.

Facts instead. Mother took the untouchables that society had disowned from the gutter ,where they were rotting, when nobody else would touch them, and at least gave them a small amount of dignity in their deaths. She did not offer them the Hilton, and such was the need, there were always far more than conditions allowed, because society like your authors had disowned them.

Where were the authors of that piece when such help was needed? Doing what such despicable piles of droppings always do - sitting on their smug self satisfied hands doing nothing except being critical of Mother. Or like hitchens - another critic of mother, getting drunk some where to satisfy his unrestrained hedonism.. There are always a large number of such willing to criticise, the same people are NEVER there to help.

 

[Jeff_56]

again, trying to distract from the truth. m.t. was never saved. the people she worked with confessed it publicly that she said so herself. the people she was supposedly 'ministering to' or for reported that she would raise 100,000 dollars and not a dime would be spent for them - the buildings they were trapped in were DONATED after nuns or male deceivers pressured the owners or tricked them into giving it to them, over and over and over again, in india, and in nyc....

the fact that a lot of other people and agencies all over the world ALSO don't help, is nothing compared to the billions that m.t. pried from the pocketbooks of banks, corporations, bankers, governments etc etc etc and all the 'little people' too who donated 10cents or 1 dollar or 100 dollars.....

every day unimaginable sums of money is being robbed from the people and going into 'secret' vatican storehouses/ .... as revealed by the priests and the nuns who left in shame and disgust....

everything the rcc 'accomplishes' is deceptive and leading to what they think will be one world control.....

already most of the world is deceived by it.

 

[mikeuk]

again, trying to distract from the truth...

So why are you trying to,distract from the truth? What I said was spot on.
When was the last time you picked a maggot riddled body of the street Jeff? Never! All you do is criticise others.
You have sunk to a new even deeper low with this criticism, which for you is saying something!
Go look at the beam in your own eye, not the speck in others.

 

[Jeff_56]

your defending heresy mike. there's nothing worse than that. nothing you say holds water . everything i posted is well documented online for anyone who can search the last 10 years or more. .
as others , several, have pointed out here, you just won't accept the truth, gentle or harsh, from anyone.

 

[Jeff_56]

..... So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe. ...
.... Mary WAS A SINNER.
........

priests have been taught that they are too sinful to appeal to JESUS!!!!! that they have to go to MARY TO BE SAVED. (see again "50 years in the church of rome"; confessions/ truth from a priest who got saved)

and mary was righteous. she did what yahweh said to do.

mother t. did not ever do what yahweh said to do, ever. she obeyed the pope against yahweh. even to be saved, she never called on JESUS, ever.

 

[valiant]

i don't believe Catholicism is wrong. you each have your own interpretation and that is the heart of the problem. even David. Koresh and Charles Manson. had their. own interpretation

yes and like Roman Catholics they were wrong too

 

[valiant]

So why are you trying to,distract from the truth? What I said was spot on.
When was the last time you picked a maggot riddled body of the street Jeff? Never! All you do is criticise others.
You have sunk to a new even deeper low with this criticism, which for you is saying something!
Go look at the beam in your own eye, not the speck in others.

you are big on statements, short on facts. It was not Jeff who exposed Mother Theresa for what she was. It was University researchers, and others who investigated her work. We commend any good that she did, but sadly she failed to use the generous gifts provided by the world in order to better the lives of those among whom she went. She was more concerned to help them die, than see that they lived. The jury is still out on what she did with the money. The facts will eventually come out.

 

[KenAllan]

Matthew 5:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 10:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 23:33
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Luke 12:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!

2 Peter 2:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment

Clearly Cloud9 Jesus Christ does teach about Hell and does teach its a place you do not want to spend Eternity in.

BUT thank God Salvation is NOT based on believing in Hell!

 

[KenAllan]

All the people here in this room need to heed these Words from Jesus Christ Himself.

Matthew 7:13-27
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
[SUP]25 [/SUP] and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
[SUP]27 [/SUP] and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."


Instead of arguing about what this Church or what this group or what this ancient language says, we instead need to turn to the Word of God and see what the Holy Spirit says.