Catholic Heresy (for the record)

valiant · Apr 27, 2015

Johann Joseph Ignaz von Dollinger
Dollinger taught Church history as a Roman Catholic for 47 years in the 19th century and was one of the greatest and most influential historians in the Church of his day. He sums up the Eastern and Western understanding of Matthew 16 in the patristic period:

In the first three centuries, St. Irenaeus is the only writer who connects the superiority of the Roman Church with doctrine; but he places this superiority, rightly understood, only in its antiquity, its double apostolical origin, and in the circumstance of the pure tradition being guarded and maintained there through the constant concourse of the faithful from all countries. Tertullian, Cyprian, Lactantius, know nothing of special Papal prerogative, or of any higher or supreme right of deciding in matter of doctrine. In the writings of the Greek doctors, Eusebius, St. Athanasius, St. Basil the Great, the two Gregories, and St. Epiphanius, there is not one word of any prerogatives of the Roman bishop. The most copious of the Greek Fathers, St. Chrysostom, is wholly silent on the subject, and so are the two Cyrils; equally silent are the Latins, Hilary, Pacian, Zeno, Lucifer, Sulpicius, and St. Ambrose.
St. Augustine has written more on the Church, its unity and authority, than all the other Fathers put together. Yet, from all his numerous works, filling ten folios, only one sentence, in one letter, can be quoted, where he says that the principality of the Apostolic Chair has always been in Rome—which could, of course, be said then with equal truth of Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. Any reader of his Pastoral Letter to the separated Donatists on the Unity of the Church, must find it inexplicable...that in these seventy–five chapters there is not a single word on the necessity of communion with Rome as the centre of unity. He urges all sorts of arguments to show that the Donatists are bound to return to the Church, but of the Papal Chair, as one of them, he says not a word.
We have a copious literature on the Christian sects and heresies of the first six centuries—Irenaeus, Hippolytus, Epiphanius, Philastrius, St. Augustine, and, later, Leontius and Timotheus—have left us accounts of them to the number of eighty, but not a single one is reproached with rejecting the Pope’s authority in matters of faith.
All this is intelligible enough, if we look at the patristic interpretation of the words of Christ to St. Peter. Of all the Fathers who interpret these passages in the Gospels (Matt. xvi.18, John xxi.17), not a single one applies them to the Roman bishops as Peter’s successors. How many Fathers have busied themselves with these texts, yet not one of them whose commentaries we possess—Origen, Chrysostom, Hilary, Augustine, Cyril, Theodoret, and those whose interpretations are collected in catenas—has dropped the faintest hint that the primacy of Rome is the consequence of the commission and promise to Peter! Not one of them has explained the rock or foundation on which Christ would build His Church of the office given to Peter to be transmitted to his successors, but they understood by it either Christ Himself, or Peter’s confession of faith in Christ; often both together. Or else they thought Peter was the foundation equally with all the other Apostles, the twelve being together the foundation–stones of the Church (Apoc. xxi.14). The Fathers could the less recognize in the power of the keys, and the power of binding and loosing, any special prerogative or lordship of the Roman bishop, inasmuch as—what is obvious to any one at first sight—they did not regard a power first given to Peter, and afterwards conferred in precisely the same words on all the Apostles, as anything peculiar to him, or hereditary in the line of Roman bishops, and they held the symbol of the keys as meaning just the same as the figurative expression of binding and loosing (Janus (Johann Joseph Ignaz von Dollinger), The Pope and the Council (Boston: Roberts, 1869), pp. 70-74).

mwc68 · Apr 27, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

This so-called heresy has not been proven. the only thing i have seen is men twisting scripture to fit their bigoted viewpiont

Elin · Apr 27, 2015

mikeuk said:

Or he disagrees with what Scripture "says" because, correctly understood, Scripture "says" that not.

valiant · Apr 27, 2015

mwc68 said:

true, you Roman Catholics do

But the heresy has certainly been proven

mwc68 · Apr 27, 2015

Cloud9 said:

The more and more i read, i begin to realize that yall worship paper and ink. i worship the one true God present in the Eucharist, which was established by the Lord Jesus Christ at the last supper

Cloud9 · Apr 27, 2015

Elin said:

No, I absolutely believe in God.

But I know there are secrets in God's Word that can only be revealed through an analysis of the ancient languages.

And I was blessed..God steered me to seek those people out who really know those languages.

I never lived in fear of hell but God wants me to explain it so people can get out of it.

Most fears are traps that hardly ever come to pass....Didn't Jesus say not to worry?

So why are we running around telling people to fear going to hell?

God would never send anyone there. If He would don't you think he would send us more proof than a few verses to reflect on?

mwc68 · Apr 27, 2015

Cloud9 said:

No, I absolutely believe in God.

But I know there are secrets in God's Word that can only be revealed through an analysis of the ancient languages.

And I was blessed..God steered me to seek those people out who really know those languages.

I never lived in fear of hell but God wants me to explain it so people can get out of it.

Most fears are traps that hardly ever come to pass....Didn't Jesus say not to worry?

So why are we running around telling people to fear going to hell?

God would never send anyone there. If He would don't you think he would send us more proof than a few verses to reflect on?

what did Abraham. tell the rich man?

valiant · Apr 27, 2015

mwc68 said:

Then it reveals how foolish you are. But you worship a piece of bread, so I suppose we cannot expect any better.

Cloud9 · Apr 27, 2015

mwc68 said:

I don't remember.

As a man thinketh in his heart so he is.

And I am fearless....I am free...

I don't have to return to the old mistranslations.

iI've never been afraid of dying....that is for unbelievers...

I know my Father is in control and working all things out for my good.

You want to run around like a ninny scared of the boogeyman that is up to you.

I am done with boogeymen...I am a lion gal under the protection of the biggest cat in the jungle.

That makes me God's pride and I don't ever have to hang my head in shame or fear again.

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

someone lied to him/her/it. yahshua hamashiach never established anything that the rcc does. nothing at all.

they are taught that they carry a piece of god around with them (the heretic priests) after THEY change the bread into his body. and they have over 100 regulations on how to handle HIS BODY while they have it in their possession..... (literally).... all pagan. all demonic. all deceitful.

nothing there in the rcc established by yahshua(jesus); everything there in the rcc is totallycorrupt.

i'll see if i can get an excerpt from a priest who thought he had lost a piece of GOD because he couldn't find

the BODY OF JESUS in his pouch after he had created it.....

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

from priests who have been set free from satan:

"The Church of Rome is evidently the most skillful human machine the world has ever seen. Those who
guide her in the dark paths which she follows are often men of deep thought. They understand how
difficult it would be to get calm, honest and thinking minds to receive that monstrous dogma of the real
corporal presence of Jesus Christ in the communion. They well foresaw the struggle which would take
place even in the minds of children at the supreme moment when they would have to sacrifice their
reason on the altar of Rome. In order to prevent those struggles, always so dangerous to the Church,
nothing has been neglected to distract the mind and draw the attention to other subjects than that of the
communion itself.

"First, at the request of the parish priest, helped by the vanity of the parents themselves, the children are
dressed as elegantly as possible. They young communicant is clothed in every way best calculated to
flatter his own vanity also. The church building is pompously decorated. The charms of choice vocal and
instrumental music form a part of the fete. The most odorous incense burns around the altar and ascends
in a sweetsmelling cloud towards heaven. The whole parish is invited, and people come from every
direction to enjoy a most beautiful spectacle. Priests from the neighbouring churches are called, in order
to add to the solemnity of the day. The officiating priest is dressed in the most costly attire. This is the
day on which silver and gold altar cloths are displayed before the eyes of the wondering spectators.
Often a lighted wax taper is placed in the hand of each young communicant, which itself would be
sufficient to draw his whole attention; for a single false motion would be sufficient to set fire to the
clothes of his neighbour, or his own, a misfortune which has happened more than once in my presence.

"Now, in the midst of that new and wonderful spectacle of singing Latin Psalms, not a word of which he
understands; in view of gold and silver ornaments, which glitter everywhere before his dazzled eyes;
busy with the holding of the lighted taper, which keeps him constantly in fear of being burned alive can
the young communicant think for a moment of what he is about to do?

"Poor child! his mind, ears, eyes, nostrils are so much taken up with those new, striking and wonderful
things that, while his imagination is wandering from one object to another, the moment of communion
arrives, without leaving him time to think of what he is about to do! He opens his mouth, and the priest
puts upon his tongue a flat thin cake of unleavened bread, which either firmly sticks to his palate or
otherwise melts in his mouth, soon to go down into his stomach just like the food he takes three times a
day!

"The first feeling of the child, then, is that of surprise at the thought that the Creator of heaven and earth,
the upholder of the universe, the Saviour of the world, could so easily pass down his throat!

"Now, follow those children to their homes after that great and monstrous comedy. See their gait! Listen
to their conversation and their bursts of laughter! Study their manners, their coming in, their going out,
their glances of satisfaction on their fine clothes, and the vanity which they manifest in return for the
congratulations they receive on their fine dresses. Notice the lightness of their actions and conversation
immediately after their communion, and tell me if you find anything indicating that they believed in the
terrible dogma they have been taught.
No, they have not believed in it, neither will they ever do so with the firmness of faith which is
accomplished by intelligence. The poor child thinks he believes, and he sincerely tries to do so. He
believes in it as much as it is possible to believe in a most monstrous and ridiculous story, opposed to
the simplest notions of truth and common sense. He believes as Roman Catholics believe. He believes as
an idiot believes!!

"That first communion has made of him, for the rest of his life, a real machine in the hands of the Pope. It
is the first but most powerful link of that long chain of slavery which the priest and the Church pass
around his neck. The Pope holds the end of that chain, and with it he will make his victim go right or left
at his pleasure, in the same way that we govern the lower animals. If those children have made a good
first communion they will be submissive to the Pope, according to the energetic word of Loyola. They
will be in the hands of the traveler they will have no will, no thought of their own!

"And if God does not work a miracle to bring them out from that bondage which is a thousand times
worse than the Egyptian, they will remain in that state during the rest of their lives.

"My soul has known the weight of those chains. It has felt the ignominy of that slavery! But the great
Conqueror of souls has cast down a merciful eye upon me. He has broken my chains, and with His holy
Word He has made me free.

"May His name be for ever blessed. "

notuptome · Apr 27, 2015

mikeuk said:

He uses the succession to show that donatism, cannot be right because none of the successors to Peter believed it, listing them in order, and Peters justification deriving from the scripture.

You simply enforce your own views on everything Valiant - you never read what is actually there. For as long as you contest it, I will keep repeating it, so that the audience can see you are WRONG about Augustine, who did believe in apostolic succession and said so , moreover used the views of the bishops of rome, to show what is heresy and what is not.

Letter of Augustine to Generosus [400 A.D.] on Apostolic Succession

[53, 1, 2] "If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them from Peter himself, to whom as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, 'Upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it .' Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement, Clement by Anacletus, Anacletus by Evaristus, Evaristus by Sixtus, Sixtus by Telesphorus, Telesphorus by Hyginus, Hyginus by Anicetus, Anicetus by Pius, Pius by Soter, Soter by Alexander, Alexander by Victor, Victor by Zephyrinus, Zephyrinus by Callistus, Callistus by Urban, Urban by Pontianus, Pontianus by Anterus, Anterus by Fabian, Fabian by Cornelius, Cornelius by Lucius, Lucius by Stephen, Stephen by Sixtus, Sixtus by Dionysius, Dionysius by Felix, Felix by Eutychian, Eutychian by Caius, Caius by Marcellus, Marcellus by Eusebius, Eusebius by Melchiades, Melchiades by Sylvester, Sylvester by Mark, Mark by Julius, Julius by Liberius, Liberius by Damasus, Damasus by Siricius, Siricius by Anastasius.

And if you must.. In order of succession not a donatist bishop was to be found, which is Augustines reason for saying the Donatists were wrong, so deferring to the authority of Bishops of Rome!

You can say you do not agree with Augustine. You can NEVER challenge that he believed in succession because he says it there, the scripture and succession from Peter.

An expensive education was wasted on you!
You lose on this valiant, give it up, and the silly distinction between petra and petros that is simply not there!

Another argument that lack merit. Augustine was not an inspired writer of scripture. If Augustine believed that pig can fly that does not make it true.

The bible is given by inspiration of God. The Holy Spirit moved the men who wrote the bible to pen the words they wrote.

You demonstrate one of the reasons that the RCC has departed from the truth. You give equal authority to writers in early church history as to the apostles who wrote the bible. Jesus never quoted anyone except those men who wrote the OT scriptures.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

more from the priests of rome, priests who know that rome is the mother of harlots and abominations..., some saved from the total depravity of it decades ago:>>>
"CHAPTER 15

"The mother of harlots and abominations." Rev. xvii. 5.

Constrained by the voice of my conscience to reveal the impurities of the theology of the Church of
Rome, I feel, in doing so, a sentiment of inexpressible shame. They are of such a loathsome nature, that
often they cannot be expressed in any living language.

However great may have been the corruptions in the theologies and priests of paganism, there is nothing
in their records which can be compared with the depravity of those of the Church of Rome. Before the
day on which the theology of Rome was inspired by Satan, the world had certainly witnessed many dark
deeds; but vice had never been clothed with the mantle of theology: the most shameful forms of iniquity
had never been publicly taught in the schools of the old pagan priest, under the pretext of saving the
world. No! neither had the priests nor the idols been forced to attend meetings where the most degrading
forms of iniquity were objects of the most minute study, and that under the pretext of glorifying God.

Let those who understand Latin read "The Priest, the Women, and the Confessional," and decide as to
whether or not the sentiments therein contained are not enough to shock the feelings of the most
depraved. And let it be remembered that all those abominations have to be studied, learned by heart and
thoroughly understood by men who have to make a vow never to marry! For it is not till after his vow of
celibacy that the student in theology is initiated into those mysteries of iniquity.

Has the world ever witnessed such a sacrilegious comedy? A young man about twenty years of age has
been enticed to make a vow of perpetual celibacy, and the very next day the Church of Rome put under
the eye of his soul the most infamous spectacle! She fills his memory with the most disgusting images!
She tickles all his senses and pollutes his ears, not by imaginary representations, but by realities which
would shock the most abandoned in vice!

"For, let it be well understood, that it is absolutely impossible for one to study those questions of Roman
Theology, and fathom those forms of iniquity without having his body as well as his mind plunged into
a state the most degrading. Moreover, Rome does not even try to conceal the overwhelming power of
this kind of teaching; she does not even attempt to make it a secret from the victims of her incomparable
depravity, but bravely tells them that the study of those questions will act with an irresistible power upon
their organs, and without a blush says, "that pollution must follow!!!"

But in order that the Church of Rome may more certainly destroy her victims, and that they may not
escape from the abyss which she has dug under their feet, she tells them, "There is no sin for you in
those pollutions!" (Dens, vol. i. p. 315.) "

Cloud9 · Apr 27, 2015

You want to tell me how you're going to receive the abundant life running around thinking like a coward?

If you can do that....you're crazy.

valiant · Apr 27, 2015

For the Son of thunder, the beloved of Christ, the pillar of the Churches throughout the world, who holds the keys of heaven...(Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume XIV, Saint Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of John, Homily 1.1, p. 1).
[FONT=Verdana, Tahoma, DejaVu Sans, sans-serif]Chrysostom (349-407):
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[FONT=Verdana, Tahoma, DejaVu Sans, sans-serif]"Peter, James, and John, were both first called, and held a primacy among the disciples" (Commentary on Galatians, 1, vv. 1-3).[/FONT]

Looks as though Peter has lost his primacy.

mikeuk · Apr 27, 2015

notuptome said:

As I said to valiant, you can decide if you must you disagree with Augustine as you say

What you cannot do - is what valiant does - to misrepresent Augustine, who indeed believed in succession.

You have a problem however, to explain why such as ignatius pupil of a pupil of an apostle believes in many things you do not, like sacraments and real presence and bishops needed to make them valid, when it is clear that Jesus trusted his church to the apostles to hand down to others. So in order to believe what you do, you also conclude Jesus picked them very badly and cared not about his church if you think he allowed it to apostatize in one generation, indeed it was the descendants of these who selected the canon and weeded out heresies such as Marcions canon, so the canon required inspired nurture of the same people whose views you despise.

mikeuk · Apr 27, 2015

valiant said:

AUGUSTINE AND IRANEAUS DISAGREE, AS DO MANY OTHERS
Letter of Augustine to Generosus [400 A.D.] on Apostolic Succession

[53, 1, 2] "If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them from Peter himself, to whom as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, 'Upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it .' Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement, Clement by Anacletus, Anacletus by Evaristus, Evaristus by Sixtus, Sixtus by Telesphorus, Telesphorus by Hyginus, Hyginus by Anicetus, Anicetus by Pius, Pius by Soter, Soter by Alexander, Alexander by Victor, Victor by Zephyrinus, Zephyrinus by Callistus, Callistus by Urban, Urban by Pontianus, Pontianus by Anterus, Anterus by Fabian, Fabian by Cornelius, Cornelius by Lucius, Lucius by Stephen, Stephen by Sixtus, Sixtus by Dionysius, Dionysius by Felix, Felix by Eutychian, Eutychian by Caius, Caius by Marcellus, Marcellus by Eusebius, Eusebius by Melchiades, Melchiades by Sylvester, Sylvester by Mark, Mark by Julius, Julius by Liberius, Liberius by Damasus, Damasus by Siricius, Siricius by Anastasius. In order of succession not a Donatist bishop is to be found

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

more from the priests of rome, priests who know that rome is the mother of harlots and abominations..., some saved from the total depravity of it decades ago:>>>
I wished I had never come
into such company.

When he had laughed at me to his heart's content, he said: "My dear cousin, you are the first one to
whom I speak in this way. I do it because, first: I consider you a man of intelligence, and hope you will
understand me. Secondly: because you are my cousin. Were you one of those idiotic priests, real
blockheads, who form the clergy today; or, were you a stranger to me, I would let you go your way, and
believe in those ridiculous, degrading superstitions of our poor ignorant and blind people, but I know
you from your infancy, and I have known your father, who was one of my dearest friends; the blood
which flows in your veins, passes thousands of times every day through my heart. You are very young
and I am old. It is a duty of honour and conscience in me to reveal to you a thing which I have thought
better to keep till now, a secret between God and myself. I have been here more than thirty years, and
though our country is constantly filled with the noise of the great and small miracles wrought in my
church every day, I am ready to swear before God, and to prove to any man of common sense, that not a
single miracle has been wrought in my church since I have come here. Every one of the facts given to
the Canadian people as miraculous cures are sheer impositions, deceptions, the work of either fools, or
the work of skillful impostors and hypocrites, whether priests or laymen. Believe me, my dear cousin, I
have studied carefully the history of all those crutches. Ninety-nine out of a hundred have been left by
poor, lazy beggars, who, at first, thought with good reason that by walking from door to door with one
or two crutches, they would create more sympathy and bring more into their purses; for how many will
indignantly turn out of doors a lazy, strong and healthful beggar, who will feel great compassion, and
give largely to a man who is crippled, unable to work, and forced to drag himself painfully on crutches?
Those crutches are then passports from door to door, they are the very keys to open both the hearts and
purses. But the day comes when that beggar has bought a pretty good farm with his stolen alms; or when
he is really tired, disgusted with his crutches and wants to get rid of them! How can he do that without
compromising himself? By a miracle!...... >>>>
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Then he will sometimes travel again hundreds of miles from door
to door, begging as usual, but this time he asks the prayers of the whole family, saying: 'I am going to
the "good St. Anne du Nord" to ask her to cure my leg (or legs). I hope she will cure me, as she had
cured so many others. I have great confidence in her power!' Each one gives twice, nay, ten times as
much as before to the poor cripple, making him promise that if he is cured, he will come back and show
himself, that they may bless the good St. Anne with him. When he arrives here, he gives me sometimes
one, sometimes five dollars, to say mass for him. I take the money, for I would be a fool to refuse it
when I know that his purse has been so well filled. During the celebration of the mass, when he receives
the communion, I hear generally, a great noise, cries of joy! A miracle! A miracle!! The crutches are
thrown on the floor, and the cripple walks well as you or I! And the last act of that religious comedy is
the most lucrative one, for he fulfill his promise of stopping at every house he had ever been seen with
his crutches. He narrates how he was miraculously cured, how his feet and legs became suddenly all
right. Tears of joy and admiration flow from eye to eye. The last cent of that family is generally given to
the impostor, who soon grows rich at the expense of his dupes. This is the plain but true story of ninety-
nine out of every hundred of the cures wrought in my church. The hundredth, is upon people as honest,
but, pardon me the expression, as blind and superstitious as you are; they are really cured, for they were
really sick. But their cures are the natural effects of the great effort of the will. It is the result of a happy
combination of natural causes which work together on the frame, and kill the pain, expel the disease and
restore the health, just as I was cured of a most horrible toothache, some years ago. In the paroxysm I
went to the dentist and requested him to extract the affected tooth. Hardly had his knife and other
surgical instruments come before my eyes than the pain disappeared. I quietly took my hat and left,
bidding a hearty 'good-bye' to the dentist, who laughed at me every time we met, to his heart's content.

"One of the weakest points of our religion is in the ridiculous, I venture to say, diabolical miracles,
performed and believed every day among us, with the so-called relics and bones of the saints. But, don't
you know that, for the most part, these relics are nothing but chickens' or sheeps' bones. And what could
I not say, were I to tell you what I know of the daily miraculous impostures of the scapulars, holy water,
chaplets and medals of every kind. Were I a pope, I would throw all these mummeries, which come
from paganism, to the bottom of the sea, and would present to the eyes of the sinners, nothing but Christ
and Him crucified as the object of their faith, invocation and hope, for this life and the next, just as the
Apostles Paul, Peter and James do in their Epistles."

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

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"I cannot repeat here, all that I heard that night from that old relative, against the miracles, relics,
scapulars, purgatory, false saints and ridiculous practices of the Church of Rome. It would take too long,
for he spoke three hours........

"The next morning the crowds began to arrive, not by hundreds, but by thousands, from the surrounding
parishes. The channel between "L'Isle d'Orleans" and St. Anne, was literally covered with boats of every
size, laden with men and women who wanted to hear from my own lips, the history of my miraculous
cure, and see, with their own eyes, the picture of the two saints who had appeared to me. At ten a.m.,
more than 10,000 people were crowded inside and outside the wall of the church.

No words can give an idea of my emotion and of the emotion of the multitude when, after telling them
in a single and plain way, what I then considered a miraculous fact, I disclosed the picture, and
presented it to their admiration and worship. There were tears rolling on every cheek and cries of
admiration and joy from every lip. The picture represented me dying in my bed of sufferings, and the
two saints seen at a distance above me and stretching their hands as if to say: "You will be cured." It was
hung on the walls, in a conspicuous place, where thousands and thousands have come to worship it from
that day to the year 1858, when the curate was ordered by the bishop to burn it, for it had pleased our
merciful God that very year, to take away the scales which were on my eyes and show me His saving
light, and I had published all over Canada, my terrible, though unintentional error, in believing in that
false miracle. I was so honest in my belief in a miraculous cure, and the apparition of the two saints had
left such a deep impression on my mind, that, I confess it to my shame, the first week after my
conversion, I very often said to myself: "How is it that I now believe that the Church of Rome is false,
when such a miracle has been wrought on me as one of her priests?" But, our God, whose mercies are
infinite, knowing my honesty when a slave of Popery, was determined to give me the full understanding
of my errors in this way.

"About a month after my conversion, in 1858, I had to visit a dying Irish convert from Romanism, who
had caught in Chicago, the same fever which so nearly killed me at the Marine Hospital of Quebec. I
again caught the disease, and during twelve days, passed through the same tortures and suffered the
same agonies as in 1837. But this time, I was really happy to die; there was no fear for me to see the
good works as a grain of sand in my favour, and the mountains of my iniquities in the balance of God
against me. I had just given up my pharisaical holiness of old; it was no more in my good works, my
alms, my penances, my personal efforts, I was trusting to be saved; it was in Jesus alone. My good
works were no more put by me in the balance of the justice of God to pay my debts, and to appeal for
mercy. It was the blood of Jesus, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world for me, which was in
the balance.

It was the tears of Jesus, the nails, the crown of thorns, the heavy cross, the cruel death of
Jesus only, which was there to pay my debts and to cry for mercy. I had no fear then, for I knew that I
was saved by Jesus, and that that salvation was a perfect act of His love, His mercy, and His power;
consequently I was glad to die.

"

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

finally. the GOOD NEWS>>>>

But when the doctor had left me, the thirteenth day of my sufferings, saying the very same words of the
doctors of Quebec: "He had only a few minutes to live, if he be not already dead," the kind friends who
were around my bed, filled the room with their cries! Although for three or four days I had not moved a
finger, said a single word, or given any sign of life, I was perfectly conscious. I had heard the words of
the doctor, and I was glad to exchange the miseries of this short life for that eternity of glory which my
Saviour had bought for me. I only regretted to die before bringing more of my dear countrymen out of
the idolatrous religion of Rome, and from the lips of my soul, I said: "Dear Jesus, I am glad to go with
Thee just now, but if it be Thy will to let me live a few years more, that I may spread the light of the
Gospel among my countrymen; grant me to live a few years more, and I will bless Thee eternally, with
my converted countrymen, for Thy mercy." This prayer had scarcely reached the mercy-seat, when I
saw a dozen bishops marching toward me, sword in hand to kill me. As the first sword raised to strike
was coming down to split my head, I made a desperate effort, wrenched it from the hand of my would-
be murderer, and struck such a blow on his neck that his head rolled on to the floor. The second, third,
fourth, and so on to the last, rushed to kill me; but I struck such terrible blows on the necks of every one
of them, that twelve heads were rolling on the floor and swimming in a pool of blood. In my excitement
I cried to my friends around me: "Do you not see the heads rolling and the blood flowing on the floor?"

And suddenly I felt a kind of electric shock from head to foot. I was cured! perfectly cured!! I asked my
friends for something to eat; I had not taken any food for twelve days. And with tears of joy and
gratitude to God, they complied with my request. This last was not only the perfect cure of the body, but
it was a perfect cure of the soul. I understood then clearly that the first was not more miraculous than the
second. I had a perfect understanding of the diabolical forgeries and miracles of Rome. It was in both
cases, I was not cured or saved by the saints, the bishops or the Popes, but by my God, through His Son
Jesus.

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