Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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?????????? I have no idea how this pertains to my honest question at all. How does my question in any way suggest I was saying I'm without sin? I was just asking where you got that grace meant being sinless, you said it not me and I was just asking where you got it from. Did you just make it up? Maybe it's in some catechism, I don't know that’s why I was asking. Can you not back up you assertion?
If that last comment wasn't to me then I'm sorry, but I could only take it that way because it was right after mine and wasn't a response to anyone else either.
If that last comment wasn't to me then I'm sorry, but I could only take it that way because it was right after mine and wasn't a response to anyone else either.
Ok can you please show me where I said I was anything? Wow man it's like you're not reading what I wrote and coming from left field with accusations.
YOU wrote "Nothing unclean can come into the presence of God. Revelation 20 i think. Mary could not have bore Jesus if she was a sinner. Nothing unclean can come into the presence of God. The angel Gabriel said, Hail Mary Full of Grace!!!!! Did Gabriel lie?"
Then I asked "So being full of God’s grace means sinless? I’ve never heard that, what is that supported by? I thought God's grace was a free gift we COULDN'T earn, it's given."
How can that be more clear, I said NOTHING about me and asked you a legitimate question with manners. One more time where did you get Grace=sinless?
YOU wrote "Nothing unclean can come into the presence of God. Revelation 20 i think. Mary could not have bore Jesus if she was a sinner. Nothing unclean can come into the presence of God. The angel Gabriel said, Hail Mary Full of Grace!!!!! Did Gabriel lie?"
Then I asked "So being full of God’s grace means sinless? I’ve never heard that, what is that supported by? I thought God's grace was a free gift we COULDN'T earn, it's given."
How can that be more clear, I said NOTHING about me and asked you a legitimate question with manners. One more time where did you get Grace=sinless?
What a copout, YOU make a claim, I ask a simple question for you to back up that claim and you tell me go find it myself. I know not to take you seriously anymore. Dang man all I did was ask a question and it seemed to make you crumble completely. Can you even point me to the right direction towards where on that site that this teaching came from, because it’s not the bible, I’ve read that.
That's strange. I enter the presence of God every day. Thank you for your high opinion of me. God is present throughout the world. So you think the world is fully clean? You have such odd ideas.
Not really LOL try 21. but that is referring to Heaven
Absolute rubbish. She did bear Jesus and she was a sinner, and she revealed it later in her life. It even came to a point where Jesus had to repudiate her (Mark 3.31-35).
I think you said that before. Repeating it does not make it more true.
The Greek word means 'highly favoured.' Full of grace is a false translation. She was highly favoured, although she was full of grace in the sense that God was working graciously within her. Eph 1.6 uses the same verb. So if we use your translation all who are true Christians are 'full of grace'. But as I say, it means 'engraced, highly favoured'.
You should study Greek
Not really LOL try 21. but that is referring to Heaven
Absolute rubbish. She did bear Jesus and she was a sinner, and she revealed it later in her life. It even came to a point where Jesus had to repudiate her (Mark 3.31-35).
I think you said that before. Repeating it does not make it more true.
The Greek word means 'highly favoured.' Full of grace is a false translation. She was highly favoured, although she was full of grace in the sense that God was working graciously within her. Eph 1.6 uses the same verb. So if we use your translation all who are true Christians are 'full of grace'. But as I say, it means 'engraced, highly favoured'.
You should study Greek
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Jim,
KJV says highly favored by God instead of full of grace. Perhaps slightly different.
Since God is omnipotent, and He had a plan, wouldn't He have known from the beginning Mary would be worthy, without sin, to receive the Holy Spirit and potentially conceive sinless Jesus with her consent?
KJV says highly favored by God instead of full of grace. Perhaps slightly different.
Since God is omnipotent, and He had a plan, wouldn't He have known from the beginning Mary would be worthy, without sin, to receive the Holy Spirit and potentially conceive sinless Jesus with her consent?
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I didn't make any claims, you did and can't support it in any way so you just try to flip it on me. Every Chirstian thats been regenerated by the Holy Spirit is filled with God's grace brother.
And Acts 6:8 says And Stephen, full of grace and fortitude, did great wonders and signs among the people. So was Stephen sinnless too?
And Acts 6:8 says And Stephen, full of grace and fortitude, did great wonders and signs among the people. So was Stephen sinnless too?
It isn't hate to speak out AGAINST heretical doctrine.
That isn't hate.... that is truth, and clarity.
It isn't hate to speak out against a heretical religious system, like the Roman Catholic Church.
That isn't hate... that is truth, and clarity.
However, if someone is being mean for the sake of being mean... that's something different.
That should be addressed.