Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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I will never understand why people keep claiming that the Catholics accept practicing homosexuals, when we do not. We denounce gay marriage and openly lobby against it. We denounce euthanasia, abortion, contraception, and homosexual acts. How? How is that accepting it?

Mainline Protestant churches are the ones accepting of these things. Openly Anglicans, Lutherans, and even Reformed American churches are supporting gay marriage, "the right to choose", contraception, and euthanasia.
 
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Echastology, by definition, relates to future events ThomistColin. Reread my post noting, "This last point figures prominently in evangelical prophecy..." meaning I was speaking of future events not present ones from that point forward.

I NEVER claimed "that the Catholics accept practicing homosexuals." Pay more attention to what I write before replying.

And do look at the polling data: Young U.S. Catholics overwhelmingly accepting of homosexuality | Pew Research Center

^ 85 percent of U.S. Catholics, aged 18-29, believe that homosexuality should be fully accepted and 75 percent of them believe that homosexual marriage should be fully accepted. Factor in the changing bishop and papacy stance toward acceptance of homosexuality and it's not difficult to see where this is going.

Oh I know you're going to fire back with they haven't changed church doctrine or teaching but they are trending toward it and I'm asserting that in the future they are going to.


I will never understand why people keep claiming that the Catholics accept practicing homosexuals, when we do not. We denounce gay marriage and openly lobby against it. We denounce euthanasia, abortion, contraception, and homosexual acts. How? How is that accepting it?

Mainline Protestant churches are the ones accepting of these things. Openly Anglicans, Lutherans, and even Reformed American churches are supporting gay marriage, "the right to choose", contraception, and euthanasia.
 
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Echastology, by definition, relates to future events ThomistColin. Reread my post noting, "This last point figures prominently in evangelical prophecy..." meaning I was speaking of future events not present ones from that point forward.

I NEVER claimed "that the Catholics accept practicing homosexuals." Pay more attention to what I write before replying.

And do look at the polling data: Young U.S. Catholics overwhelmingly accepting of homosexuality | Pew Research Center

^ 85 percent of U.S. Catholics, aged 18-29, believe that homosexuality should be fully accepted and 75 percent of them believe that homosexual marriage should be fully accepted. Factor in the changing bishop and papacy stance toward acceptance of homosexuality and it's not difficult to see where this is going.

Oh I know you're going to fire back with they haven't changed church doctrine or teaching but they are trending toward it and I'm asserting that in the future they are going to.
First, I was not claiming that you said this, but that for some strange reason people buy it. Also, the American Catholic Church is not in control of the religious policies of the Catholic Church, so while young Catholics may hold this belief here in America or even Europe, the majority of Catholics worldwide do not hold to this idea.
 
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Ack. However with some exception, the religious policies of the Catholic Church and secular governments and organizations (including the EU) are rapidly trending toward the full acceptance of homosexuality with the U.S. and Western/Northern Europe leading the way.

The mentality of young U.S. Catholics is mirrored in the EU. For example, the latest European Youth Parliament polling results mirrors Pew's U.S. polling results: ISSUU - Results of the European Youth Poll on Gay Rights by International Office of the European Youth Parliament right down to the percentage point for the full acceptance of homosexual marriage (e.g. 85% for).

This is confirmed by many regional polls in member countries. For example, extensive research conducted by YouGov and designed by a leading secular sociologist in England found that only a small fraction of self-identified Catholics in England agree with Church teaching on moral issues like contraception, homosexuality/homosexual marriage, abortion and euthanasia: http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploa...050613-FaithMatters-UniversityofLancaster.pdf

It's not difficult to see where it's going. The moral slide into Gomorrah has been occurring for decades and expected to continue. It might even be snowballing. When you have 85% of your youth openly state they want the full acceptance of homosexuality in their religious and secular organs, it's just a matter of time really.

The moral foundation is rotting away and when it collapses, it will happen quickly. People will then have to choose 'BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE WE WILL SERVE THE LORD."

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record-100.html#post1768625


First, I was not claiming that you said this, but that for some strange reason people buy it. Also, the American Catholic Church is not in control of the religious policies of the Catholic Church, so while young Catholics may hold this belief here in America or even Europe, the majority of Catholics worldwide do not hold to this idea.
 

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It's not so simple for many members of the Roman Catholic Church are born again spirit-filled Christians and presently in God's kingdom.

This occurs through various means ranging from self-study to interaction with evangelical Christians to an epiphany from no less than God Himself. Oh yes my Protestant brother, God loves Catholics too ;). And, since 1967 the charismatic movement has extended into the Roman Catholic Church.

But you're correct that the RCC has codified a maligned soteriology and imputed themselves into the place of God as the 'agent of salvation' to a large degree. As theologians Wilhoit, Longman, Duriez, Penney, and Reid point out:

"Nothing humans do can, in and of itself, changes their legal standing before God, creates a new nature or radically reorients their behavior. Human beings cannot save themselves (Rom 3:24; Tit 3:5). Salvation is wrought either by God himself or by a deputy of God: 'I, I am Yahweh, and besides me there is no savior' (Is 43:11). God is the ultimate source of salvation (Ps 25:5; 65:5)—the Savior (Ps 106:21) and salvation itself (Ps 118:14; Is 12:2).

In the OT, kings were expected to be saving helps (2 Sam 14:4; 2 Kings 13:5), prophets proclaimed salvation (Is 42–43), and priests were said to be clothed with salvation (Ps 132:16; 2 Chron 6:41). The Gospels, however, apply the title Savior only to God and to Jesus (Lk 2:11; Jn 4:42). The term is used twenty-four times in the NT, sixteen times of Jesus (e.g., 2 Pet 1:1; 1 Jn 4:14) and eight times of God the Father. The name Jesus literally means 'Yahweh is salvation.' Mary calls her son Jesus, 'for he will save his people from their sins' (Mt 1:21 RSV). He shall be called 'Emmanuel, … God with us' (Mt 1:23 RSV)—the epitome and concrete embodiment of God’s original covenant promise to dwell with his people.

Jesus’ life and work demonstrates the aptness of his name (Lk 19:10; Jn 3:17). Jesus explained that he came into the world in order to save (Mk 10:45). Jesus heals (Mk 5:34) and forgives (Lk 7:47–48). He thus becomes the central character in the story of God’s salvation. According to Peter’s Pentecost sermon, 'There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved' (Acts 4:12 RSV).

Jesus is Savior because his life and work as Messiah (the Christ) fulfills the three offices of, respectively, the prophet who announces salvation (Lk 4:18–21), the priest who effects forgiveness of sins ('it is finished,' Jn 19:30) and the king who rules in our hearts (Gal 2:20). Salvation, then, is being 'in Christ.' In Christ the saved receive a new status, a new nature and a new way of life. The believer lives in Christ and Christ lives in the believer (Jn 15:4). The original covenant promise of God—to be their God—is thus fulfilled in a startling new way."

As theologians Walters, Milne, Wood, Marshall, Millard, Packer, and Wiseman point out:

"Salvation is not to be equated with political order, liberty, or a specific denomination of a 'church.' Man is saved by God’s action in history in the person of Jesus Christ (Rom. 4:25; 5:10; 2 Cor. 4:10f.; Phil. 2:6f.; 1 Tim. 1:15; 1 Jn. 4:9–10, 14). While the birth, life and ministry of Jesus are not unimportant, the stress falls upon his death and resurrection (1 Cor. 15:5f.); we are saved by the blood of his cross (Acts 20:28; Rom. 3:25; 5:9; Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:20; Heb. 9:12; 12:24; 13:12; 1 Jn. 1:7; Rev. 1:5; 5:9). As this message is proclaimed and men hear and come to respond in faith God’s salvation is brought to them (Rom. 10:8, 14f.; 1 Cor. 1:18–25; 15:1 I; 1 Thes. 1:4f.)."
The modern Catholic Church is in critical need of genuine reform. Unfortunately, every time they've gathered for that purpose; its resulted in them getting even more lost.

Of course, if a Catholic apologist is reading this they may be along shortly to take issue with my post ;).
This raises one of my great concerns. Can a man have a saving knowledge of Christ and remain in bondage to doctrines that clearly contradict the bible? Can an man be saved and still participate in the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church?

Salvation is solely by grace and solely on an individual basis. God meets and deals with every soul on an individual basis and confronts about sin, righteousness and judgment. Response to the confrontation is not corporate but individual.

Is this not what Paul faced with Israel and their desire to maintain that old sacrificial system and simply incorporate the new and perfect doctrine of grace through Christ? Israel may have accepted Christianity if they could have successfully combined it with the old system of Judaism.

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This raises one of my great concerns. Can a man have a saving knowledge of Christ and remain in bondage to doctrines that clearly contradict the bible? Can an man be saved and still participate in the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church?

Salvation is solely by grace and solely on an individual basis. God meets and deals with every soul on an individual basis and confronts about sin, righteousness and judgment. Response to the confrontation is not corporate but individual.

Is this not what Paul faced with Israel and their desire to maintain that old sacrificial system and simply incorporate the new and perfect doctrine of grace through Christ? Israel may have accepted Christianity if they could have successfully combined it with the old system of Judaism.

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Roger
This is a most crucial problem you bring to bear, Roger. Look at it with regard to an apparent failure of the Holy Spirit to lead to truth in some people, something which I abhor to even mention, to seriously contemplate, but this is what we must believe of mature Christians who are blind to and deny truth. One must ask what is to be said about those who substitute a Pope for the Holy Father of Jesus Christ, very God the Father, call priests Father in disobedience, pray to Mary, and teach others to do this also? Is it permissible to believe and teach lies, when the errors have been abdundantly rebuked in God's holy word? Where will one stand, a liar and in obstinate disobedience, before God?

This is an "elephant in the room" question, that there are those who should think very long and hard about, and repent, while there is still the opportunity, decide if their gospel is the true faith of Jesus Christ, or of man, both Catholics and Protestant cults.
 

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This is a most crucial problem you bring to bear, Roger. Look at it with regard to an apparent failure of the Holy Spirit to lead to truth in some people, something which I abhor to even mention, to seriously contemplate, but this is what we must believe of mature Christians who are blind to and deny truth. One must ask what is to be said about those who substitute a Pope for the Holy Father of Jesus Christ, very God the Father, call priests Father in disobedience, pray to Mary, and teach others to do this also? Is it permissible to believe and teach lies, when the errors have been abdundantly rebuked in God's holy word? Where will one stand, a liar and in obstinate disobedience, before God?

This is an "elephant in the room" question, that there are those who should think very long and hard about, and repent, while there is still the opportunity, decide if their gospel is the true faith of Jesus Christ, or of man, both Catholics and Protestant cults.
I do not think for a moment that the protestant church is immune to the same malady. There are most assuredly non Christians sitting in protestant churches as well as Catholic churches and both are worshipping God. Scripture states that we must worship God in the Holy Spirit and in truth. Israel was said of God to worship Jehovah with their lips but their heart was far from Him. My inescapable conclusion is that they are only able to worship the god of their vain imagination and not God Who is God. That according to Romans chapter 1.

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I agree; however, a large number of unsaved cult members are sitting in their false religious cults worshipping God. Muslims, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Branch Davidians, Bahai, etc... (and it's a really really long list) are all sitting in "churches" worshipping God. But salvation isn't obtained by worshipping God.

The RCC has very real, clear, and present foundational problems with their soteriology that acts as a barrier to actually finding salvation and properly living the Christian walk Christ and the apostles communicated.

For example, the RCC teaches that what man lost through the Fall was a supernatural gift of original righteousness that did not belong properly to his being as man but was something extra added by God (donum superadditum), with the consequence that the Fall left man in his natural state as created (in puris naturalibus): he has suffered a negative rather than a positive evil; deprivation rather than depravation.

As CARM wrote:

"They teach that unsaved (e.g. unregenerate) people must earn part of their salvation by RCC condoned works. Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.

In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins."

^ This is a radical departure from what Jesus Christ and the first century apostolic church taught. You can see CARM's response, which is a typical evangelical response, here: Salvation in Roman Catholicism | earning salvation | Catholic salvation | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

A careful look at Paul’s teaching on all aspects of God’s redemptive work in Christ reveals that salvation is not based on the accumulated merits of our piety and good deeds combined with membership in the RCC (which falsely claims that everyone who's not a member is anathema to God). No, salvation is God’s business from beginning to end. It is inaugurated, maintained and completed by him.

That said, we are creatures created in God’s image (Gen 1:26–27) and called to respond in faith and love to the Creator and to give ourselves in active participation to God’s purposes. This dual perspective of divine action and human response and participation has unfortunately created a great deal of confusion for many though it certainly need not.

The center of Paul’s proclamation, repeated in numerous ways throughout his writings, is most concisely and eloquently stated in Ephesians 2:8–9: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”

The meaning is without ambiguity; there are no conditions imposed (such as “if … then”). God’s reaching toward us in unconditional love (Rom 5:8) is all grace. We neither deserve it nor earn it, and therefore we cannot take credit for it (“so that no one can boast”). The verb “you have been saved” is in the perfect tense and the passive voice, which means that the action comes from outside ourselves and that it is something which is both an accomplished act and a reality which continues in its effectiveness through the present and into the future.

Now this strong affirmation is immediately followed in Ephesians 2:10 by the words “For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works.” Here, as throughout his letters, Paul is very clear about the fact that restored relationship with God is the condition within which our lives are being transformed in such a way that God’s purposes for our lives are brought about.

In Romans 6 believers are defined as those who have been baptized into Christ, buried with him and raised with him so that we “might walk in newness of life” (Rom 6:3–4 RSV). Here the transaction of being saved is pictured as accomplished fact; the “walking in newness of life” as a possibility yet to be realized. Then Paul goes on to say that our sinful self has been “crucified with” Christ, that we are no longer “slaves to sin” (Rom 6:5–11).

The affirmation of this accomplished fact is then immediately followed by the imperative: “Therefore do not let sin reign. … Do not offer [yourselves] to sin as instruments of wickedness … but rather to God … as instruments of righteousness” (Rom 6:12–13).

In Galatians, where salvation by faith in Christ is particularly stressed (for example, in Gal 2:16, “a man is not justified by observing the law but by faith in Jesus Christ”), Paul can also stress that “in Christ,” that is, in our relationship to God in Christ, what really matters is “faith expressing itself through love” (Gal 5:6). Therefore, “serve one another in love” (Gal 5:13).

The seeming tension between affirmations of accomplished salvation and a life in which a new reality is expressed and put to work is partially due to the fact that Paul’s use of particular words or expressions is somewhat flexible. In this Philippians text, salvation is a reality still in process and yet to be accomplished. In Romans 1:16 and Ephesians 1:13 the term salvation is used in a general, comprehensive sense and as a synonym for gospel (that is, the good news of, and power for, salvation). In 2 Corinthians 7:10, repentance is said to lead to salvation. There are other texts in which salvation is depicted as the final stage or event in the redemptive activity of God. The Thessalonians are told that they were chosen “to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit” (2 Thess 2:13) and that one piece of the Christian’s armor against the darkness was “the hope of salvation” (1 Thess 5:8). The clearest example of the futuristic use of the term is in Romans 13:11, where we hear that “salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.”

When we take all these aspects together, we see that Paul thought of salvation as the totality of God’s redemptive work; yet he freely used the term also to denote various parts of the whole. The best illustration of Paul’s understanding of salvation in its totality, described in terms of its various stages, is found in Romans 5.

We “have been justified through faith” (Rom 5:1). To be justified—Paul’s most usual term for what happens to us when we respond in faith to God’s love in Christ—is to be brought into right relationship with God, a condition he describes as “peace with God” (Rom 5:1). The culmination of that which has thus begun is sharing “the glory of God” (Rom 5:2). Between these two poles, Christian life is characterized by joy in the midst of adversity, hope in the midst of suffering (Rom 5:3–5), because, having been justified by Christ’s sacrificial death (Rom 5:9), the continuing work of the resurrected Lord in the life of the believer will lead to final salvation (Rom 5:10).

The larger context for this saying, as worked out above, consists of three elements: (1) the duality of “already” and “not yet”; (2) the actuality of restored relation with God and the necessity of living in newness of life; (3) the understanding of salvation as the comprehensive work of God in which we participate through faith, hope and love. Within this context, Philippians 2:12–13 is best understood.

Paul calls his readers to unity in their common life, to be achieved through humble other-directedness (Phil 2:1–4), motivated by the example of Christ’s humiliation and utter self-giving (Phil 2:5–11). It is this work of Christ which for Paul is the basis (“therefore”) of the imperative “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12). The salvation which comes to us through Christ’s “obedience to death” (Phil 2:8) is to be “incarnated,” implemented and worked out, within the context of our relationships with each other. The motivation for this “outworking” is “fear and trembling,” not in the sense of “being afraid of,” but rather in the sense of “awe,” namely, the “awe” which comes when we contemplate God’s work of “amazing grace” in Christ.

But this “outworking of salvation” in our human contexts—in Philippi toward unity within the congregation—is not “human achievement” on the basis of which we can “boast.” No, for this outworking of salvation is empowered by the continuing operation of God’s grace, for God is at work “in you” (or “among you”).

Salvation is not something we possess. It is rather a relationship in which we stand. And within that relationship, we become partakers of God’s Spirit. Thus Christian action is never “our work”; it is always the outgrowth of a dynamic relationship, whose author and completer is God.

^ See Kaiser, W. C., Jr., Davids, P. H., Bruce, F. F., & Brauch, M. T. (1996). Hard sayings of the Bible (645–647).

This argument has waged for centuries and the RCC has gotten it wrong. To varying degrees, the RCC teaches from the Bible and points people to Jesus Christ as the Savior. As a result, people are sometimes saved in RCC churches. Simultaneously; however, the RCC also leads many people away from a genuine faith relationship with Christ. The unbiblical beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church act as a barrier to salvation and that which Jesus Christ established.

The RCC is not a church which is based on the teachings of the Apostles (as described in the Book of Acts and the New Testament epistles) and are guilty of what Jesus Christ admonished the Pharisees for in Mark 7:9 stating, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition."


I do not think for a moment that the protestant church is immune to the same malady. There are most assuredly non Christians sitting in protestant churches as well as Catholic churches and both are worshipping God. Scripture states that we must worship God in the Holy Spirit and in truth. Israel was said of God to worship Jehovah with their lips but their heart was far from Him. My inescapable conclusion is that they are only able to worship the god of their vain imagination and not God Who is God. That according to Romans chapter 1.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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amen to the printing press and the prying of the Word of God from the cold dead fingers of the Roman Catholic "church" ..... FREE AT LAST .... FREE AT LAST .... the Word of God in the hands and the language of the common folk .... may their lies be exposed for ever in Jesus' name amen :)
 
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John Paul II, Dives in Misericordia, 1980, quoting Lumen Gentium, "In fact, by being assumed into heaven she has not laid aside the office of salvation but by the manifold intercession she continues to obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."

Plus XII, Superiore Anno, 1940: "As St. Bernard declares, 'it is the will of God that we obtain favors through Mary, let everyone hasten to have recourse to Mary.'"

Benedict XV, In a decree on Joan of Are: "In every miracle we must recognize the mediation of Mary, through whom, according to God's will, every grace and blessing comes to us."

Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia, 1918: "To such extent did Mary suffer and almost die with her suffering and dying Son; to such extent did she surrender her maternal rights over her Son for: man's salvation . . that we may rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ."

Plus X, Ad Diem Illum, 1904: "It was granted to the august Virgin to be together with her Only-begotten Son the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix of the whole world. So Christ is the source... Mary, however, as St. Bernard justly remarks, is the channel, or she is the neck by which the Body is united to the Head... through which all spiritual gifts are communicated to his Body."

Pius IX, Ubi Primum, 1849: "For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary."
 

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John Paul II, Dives in Misericordia, 1980, quoting Lumen Gentium, "In fact, by being assumed into heaven she has not laid aside the office of salvation but by the manifold intercession she continues to obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."

Plus XII, Superiore Anno, 1940: "As St. Bernard declares, 'it is the will of God that we obtain favors through Mary, let everyone hasten to have recourse to Mary.'"

Benedict XV, In a decree on Joan of Are: "In every miracle we must recognize the mediation of Mary, through whom, according to God's will, every grace and blessing comes to us."

Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia, 1918: "To such extent did Mary suffer and almost die with her suffering and dying Son; to such extent did she surrender her maternal rights over her Son for: man's salvation . . that we may rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ."

Plus X, Ad Diem Illum, 1904: "It was granted to the august Virgin to be together with her Only-begotten Son the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix of the whole world. So Christ is the source... Mary, however, as St. Bernard justly remarks, is the channel, or she is the neck by which the Body is united to the Head... through which all spiritual gifts are communicated to his Body."

Pius IX, Ubi Primum, 1849: "For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary."
If that does not give you a burden for Roman Catholics I don't know what will. If they believe and receive that they are receiving another gospel which is not the gospel.

God have mercy that their eyes might be opened to the truth of His word and that the Holy Spirit might have great liberty to draw them to Christ for genuine salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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If that does not give you a burden for Roman Catholics I don't know what will. If they believe and receive that they are receiving another gospel which is not the gospel.

God have mercy that their eyes might be opened to the truth of His word and that the Holy Spirit might have great liberty to draw them to Christ for genuine salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
When as a Christian, presumably with the Holy Spirit, you see things that are simply "off the charts" wrong and in violation of the gospel, what is this saying? I also very much fear for those receiving these things.
 
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According to Catholicism,

The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.

But, according to God,

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing [Holy Spirit] which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

2 Peter 1:19-20 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
 
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I will never understand why people keep claiming that the Catholics accept practicing homosexuals, when we do not...

True, it's not allowed in the RCC...
unless you're a priest, then it's being facilitated. :rolleyes:
 

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Salt that is no longer salty.

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We groan within ourselves desiring to be with the Lord Yet having the fields white unto harvest lying before us. We work while it is yet day knowing that the evening comes when we can labor no longer.

I hope that the Lord gives additional mercy because of the prayers of His saints for the lost and the suffering.

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Roger
Amen!

We could start by praying for the people of the Philippines this week-end and for some time after this typhoon.


A Nov 15th article-
Pope's Philippine trip 'both state and pastoral visit'