Can you Spot the Trinity?

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Dan_473

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just_truth said:
Yes, because their Trinity have common share the divinity from an identified deity, base on their illustration of Trinity in a triangle.
In which the three as distinct persons have their own sets of minds and different wills.
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I think I understand what you're saying.

How do you see verses like this
Psalm 110: 1 <A Psalm. Of David.> The Lord said to my lord, Be seated at my right hand, till I put all those who are against you under your feet.

Do you see it as the father talking to the son? Something else?

If they have one mind, is a verse like that just for our benefit? Kind of a literary device?
 
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If you cannot pass the trinity test, you cannot interpret scripture with any amount of accuracy.
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Really? The majority of what you post is immediately asked into question because you may use scripture, but it is nowhere in true meaning and logic to how you are using it. You basically take what the heretic Calvin claimed and then paraphrase as your own wisdom. How dare you make such a claim towards anyone who believes in God?
 
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Dan_473 said:
I think I understand what you're saying.

How do you see verses like this
Psalm 110: 1 <A Psalm. Of David.> The Lord said to my lord, Be seated at my right hand, till I put all those who are against you under your feet.

Do you see it as the father talking to the son? Something else?

If they have one mind, is a verse like that just for our benefit? Kind of a literary device?
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The conversation to other happened as part of Incarnation, as the distinction of Son's mind that He does not know his second coming but only the Father(knows it), but then Jesus divinity is the Father He must know it from the Father.
 
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Dan_473 said:
I think I understand what you're saying.

How do you see verses like this
Psalm 110: 1 <A Psalm. Of David.> The Lord said to my lord, Be seated at my right hand, till I put all those who are against you under your feet.

Do you see it as the father talking to the son? Something else?

If they have one mind, is a verse like that just for our benefit? Kind of a literary device?
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The conversation to other happened as part of Incarnation, as the distinction of Son's mind that He does not know his second coming but only the Father(knows it), but then Jesus divinity is the Father He must know it from the Father.
They have one mind in Divinity as all-knowing God, and again to say this comes from the Father.
 
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Really? The majority of what you post is immediately asked into question because you may use scripture, but it is nowhere in true meaning and logic to how you are using it. You basically take what the heretic Calvin claimed and then paraphrase as your own wisdom. How dare you make such a claim towards anyone who believes in God?
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Calvin believed the trinity doctrine, but it is much older. Take the trinity test if you want to see if you are above board.
 
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Calvin believed the trinity doctrine, but it is much older. Take the trinity test if you want to see if you are above board.
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Calvin is guilty of executing the Oneness believer Michael Servetus.
 
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Calvin is guilty of executing the Oneness believer Michael Servetus.
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Not according to Calvin. Be careful how you judge others. What goes around comes around. "For what particular act of mine you accuse me of cruelty I am anxious to know. I myself know? not that act unless it be with reference to the death of your great master, Servetus. But that I myself earnestly entreated that he might not be put to death his judges themselves are witnesses, in the number of whom at that time two were his staunch favourers and defenders. But I have said quite enough about myself." Calvin's Calvinism Translated Henry Cole P-346
 
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Not according to Calvin. Be careful how you judge others. What goes around comes around. "For what particular act of mine you accuse me of cruelty I am anxious to know. I myself know? not that act unless it be with reference to the death of your great master, Servetus. But that I myself earnestly entreated that he might not be put to death his judges themselves are witnesses, in the number of whom at that time two were his staunch favourers and defenders. But I have said quite enough about myself." Calvin's Calvinism Translated Henry Cole P-346
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https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvin-Michael-Servetus.html
 
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I just made a collection of informations....
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Most people hate Calvin. So how can you think they tell the truth when bearing false witness is all that people do when it suits them, except for petty few?
 
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just_truth said:
The conversation to other happened as part of Incarnation, as the distinction of Son's mind that He does not know his second coming but only the Father(knows it), but then Jesus divinity is the Father He must know it from the Father.
They have one mind in Divinity as all-knowing God, and again to say this comes from the Father.
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Thanks for your answers!
I see it differently, but I like to try to understand other people's perspectives.
 
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Calvin believed the trinity doctrine, but it is much older. Take the trinity test if you want to see if you are above board.
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That's a problem for me. Because I know what those Scriptures mean and know how you are misusing them. Those Scripture fall into the Doctrine you use to which the keywords cannot be found within Scripture:


You searched for
"SAME ESSENCE" in the KJV Bible

'SAME ESSENCE' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"GOD THE SON" in the KJV Bible

'GOD THE SON' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT" in the KJV Bible

'GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"TRINITY" in the KJV Bible

'TRINITY' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"CO EQUAL" in the KJV Bible

'CO EQUAL' in the Bible
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You searched for
"CO EXISTENCE" in the KJV Bible

'CO EXISTENCE' in the Bible
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"CREED" in the KJV Bible

'CREED' in the Bible
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"TRIUNE" in the KJV Bible

'TRIUNE' in the Bible
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"THREE IN ONE" in the KJV Bible

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"PERSONS OF GOD" in the KJV Bible

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That's a problem for me. Because I know what those Scriptures mean and know how you are misusing them. Those Scripture fall ito the Doctrine you use to which the keywords cannot be found within Scripture:


You searched for
"SAME ESSENCE" in the KJV Bible

'SAME ESSENCE' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"GOD THE SON" in the KJV Bible

'GOD THE SON' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT" in the KJV Bible

'GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"TRINITY" in the KJV Bible

'TRINITY' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"CO EQUAL" in the KJV Bible

'CO EQUAL' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"CO EXISTENCE" in the KJV Bible

'CO EXISTENCE' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"CREED" in the KJV Bible

'CREED' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"TRIUNE" in the KJV Bible

'TRIUNE' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"THREE IN ONE" in the KJV Bible

'THREE IN ONE' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.


You searched for
"PERSONS OF GOD" in the KJV Bible

'PERSONS OF GOD' in the Bible
... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.
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So do you believe the trinity doctrine as presented by the early Church (Ecumenical creeds)?
 
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Dave-L said:
So do you believe the trinity doctrine as presented by the early Church (Ecumenical creeds)?
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I see it from the earliest of earliest Church Fathers to what is believed JOHN the APOSTLE/DISCIPLE taught his own Disciples:

biker said:
I love how we see from John the Apostle, we can trace to IGGY and POLYCARP and then to IRENAEUS. This way we can see the lineage and follow the trail to where this viewpoint of God comes from:

God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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That version predates the misaligned English Translation all together!
 
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biker said:
I see it from the earliest of earliest Church Fathers to what is believed JOHN the APOSTLE/DISCIPLE taught his own Disciples:
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Good for you. Can you see it in my trinity test? "Can you spot the trinity?" this thread?
 
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Dave-L said:
Good for you. Can you see it in my trinity test? "Can you spot the trinity?" this thread?
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I can see your intent. But when you use your ENGLISH version against the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek, they don't appear the same. Which is why I don't participate because the English Bible is incorrect.
 
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biker said:
I can see your intent. But when you use your ENGLISH version against the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek, they don't appear the same. Which is why I don't participate because the English Bible is incorrect.
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So God doesn't watch over his word?
 
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Dave-L said:
So God doesn't watch over his word?
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If you go by this from what is believed to be John's own teaching to his Disciples and to the earliest of Church Fathers:

God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.


It reveals the WORD and WISDOM were always Internal with God before God chose to use them External. Therefore, the WORD is always connected to God at all times. There is no need to watch something that is a part of YOU whether internal or external.
 
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