Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” Since the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. from 1 Corinthians 1 verses 18-21 The natural man does not choose to believe that which he can neither receive nor comprehend, for it is foolishness to him.
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So God loves each and every sinner, heh? Delusional much? Meanwhile, read and weep.
Lev 26:30; Deut 25:15; Job 21:22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 106:40; 107:40; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20;
2Chron 19:2; Isa 66:24; Jer 12:8; 16:5; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Mal 1:2-3; Dan 12:2; Mat 7:23; Rom 9:13
P.S. There isn't one text in scripture that teaches that God loves every single human being with his filial covenant of love w/o exception. Give me one explicit passage that teaches what you foolishly claim. And the passages above don't even address the nature of God's love which is conditional! You remember those four key Johanine passages, right? Or do you need to be reminded of those again? Moreover, God's love isn't even eternal with respect to the wicked, which I also proved recently (Dan 12:2; Isa 66:24). So, my friend, you have a few serious problems to address with your wild, crazy and UNSUBSTANTIATED claims.
Lev 26:30; Deut 25:15; Job 21:22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 106:40; 107:40; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20;
2Chron 19:2; Isa 66:24; Jer 12:8; 16:5; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Mal 1:2-3; Dan 12:2; Mat 7:23; Rom 9:13
P.S. There isn't one text in scripture that teaches that God loves every single human being with his filial covenant of love w/o exception. Give me one explicit passage that teaches what you foolishly claim. And the passages above don't even address the nature of God's love which is conditional! You remember those four key Johanine passages, right? Or do you need to be reminded of those again? Moreover, God's love isn't even eternal with respect to the wicked, which I also proved recently (Dan 12:2; Isa 66:24). So, my friend, you have a few serious problems to address with your wild, crazy and UNSUBSTANTIATED claims.
I don't know how many times the scriptures command us "to believe" before it gets through there is something we must do which, in and of itself, does not cause our salvation.
Personally I think the problem begins in the understanding that human nature is born wicked which, it is not. Human nature is to be found in the soul which is created in the image and likeness of God. But that is another story for another thread.
Appreciate your posts.
Personally I think the problem begins in the understanding that human nature is born wicked which, it is not. Human nature is to be found in the soul which is created in the image and likeness of God. But that is another story for another thread.
Appreciate your posts.
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Oh but it does! Since FWer's deny the efficacy of God's grace/power, then the question that is begging to be answered is: what is the ultimate efficacious cause of a sinner's decision, if not his own volition, especially since God doesn't actually save anyone but only provides opportunities for everyone to be saved? This is why I keep saying that the Good Samaritan was more righteous than God since he actually saved the "half dead" man! Unlike God, he didn't just provide an opportunity for the guy to save himself.
I don't have any problem with those verses teaching that the wage of sin is death,
and you don't realize that saying God's love is "conditional" implies MFW/the ability to satisfy such condition.
I believe God's love is eternal/never changes, whereas you believe God hates nonelect humanity;
it looks like we will have to wait until heaven to learn whose view/bet is correct.
and you don't realize that saying God's love is "conditional" implies MFW/the ability to satisfy such condition.
I believe God's love is eternal/never changes, whereas you believe God hates nonelect humanity;
it looks like we will have to wait until heaven to learn whose view/bet is correct.
The good Samaritan wasent and actual person it was a parable in the form of a question. Jesus used the Samaritan as an example because jews thought of them as worse than dogs. To teach us to love all as you love yourself regardless of background. If that is how God teaches us I'd have to believe that is how he is.
You know it occurred to me as I have thought about that incident of crying out to God = that I cannot even take credit for that, and maybe saying I did it is not the correct way to express it, for as I mentioned I attended a number of 12 step fellowships, and some before I first got clean and sober, and one of the things I was taught was to write about my feelings, heh, okay, so one night, after being involved with a man who was just using me and lying to me and who knows what all else (yeah I could say other things here but...) I sat down to write about my feelings, and do you know that saying about being sick and tired of feeling sick and tired? I was at that point. I was so sick and tired of the way I was feeling, I had been in that place before, and the enormity of it, my powerlessness over it, and the sheer madness writing about it seemed after experiencing it what felt like so many other times, times that had hospitalized me even... well, yes, that is when that cry arose out of the depths of my being. "Please God, help me." And the rest as they say, is history .
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Those who believed are the same as those who received. What do you have that you have not received? What did they receive? Could it have been faith?
Your error is that you believe receiving is something you do. Receiving doesn't necessitate any action on one's part. If you were honest you would have included John 1:13. It tells you how it was received: nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD. Wonder why you left that out? Aren't you the one who dislikes single proof texts? Aren't you the one who espouses context, context, context? You literally ripped that verse out of it's context. And for all your mockery, you still didn't answer my questions.
You are getting as ridiculous as your cohorts.
Your error is that you believe receiving is something you do. Receiving doesn't necessitate any action on one's part. If you were honest you would have included John 1:13. It tells you how it was received: nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD. Wonder why you left that out? Aren't you the one who dislikes single proof texts? Aren't you the one who espouses context, context, context? You literally ripped that verse out of it's context. And for all your mockery, you still didn't answer my questions.
You are getting as ridiculous as your cohorts.
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You know it occurred to me as I have thought about that incident of crying out to God = that I cannot even take credit for that, and maybe saying I did it is not the correct way to express it, for as I mentioned I attended a number of 12 step fellowships, and some before I first got clean and sober, and one of the things I was taught was to write about my feelings, heh, okay, so one night, after being involved with a man who was just using me and lying to me and who knows what all else (yeah I could say other things here but...) I sat down to write about my feelings, and do you know that saying about being sick and tired of feeling sick and tired? I was at that point. I was so sick and tired of the way I was feeling, I had been in that place before, and the enormity of it, my powerlessness over it, and the sheer madness writing about it seemed after experiencing it what felt like so many other times, times that had hospitalized me even... well, yes, that is when that cry arose out of the depths of my being. "Please God, help me." And the rest as they say, is history .
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