Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[Magenta]

OK, so according to your interpretation. Adam wasn't deceived by the Serpent/Satan. And He wasn't deceived by Eve. So instead, he used his God given wisdom and decided to commit suicide.
That doesn't sound like something a wise man of God would do. So your theory doesn't make any sense to me. So I have no choice other than to reject your theory because it doesn't add up. Nor can it be supported by any scripture

Scripture explicitly says, Adam was not deceived. Why do keep rejecting what Scripture says?

Rejecting what Scripture explicitly says doesn't sound like something a wise man of God would do.

 

[Magenta]

Genesis 2:17

 

[Inquisitor]

What makes you think they would know if they are one of the elect?

There is only one way to know. You must believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus, you must also confess Jesus.
In addition, you must also have received the Holy Spirit. That's Romans 10:9-13 and 1 Corinthians 15:3-8.

Whether someone is a Calvinist has nothing to do with the gospel of our salvation.

 

[MarcoftheTruth]

A Friend Comes at Midnight
5And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.
Keep Asking, Seeking, Knocking
9“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11If a son asks for [e]bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

 

[John146]

Well the Bible doesn't say anything like that, you should read Genesis 3 carefully and you will find that Adam told God in verse 12 that the woman gave him the forbidden fruit to eat. There is no mention of Satan at all, so why would Adam blame Eve, if it was Satan.

He clearly blames Eve for being deceived, then when God asked Eve why she did it, she blamed the Serpent for deceiving her. We can't just assume that Adam blamed Eve to protect Satan, that is unthinkable and un biblical.

This is why god warned us not to add or take away from His perfect Word.

My Bible tells me that the Lord Jesus Christ never sinned, so I'm not sure how you came to conclude that He sinned like Adam. He took on the sins of you and me, the sin you speak about must have been yours and mine and not that of the Lord

You should read my post more carefully. I never said Christ sinned, but rather became sin for us who knew no sin.

Also, Adam didn’t blame Eve nor did Eve blame the serpent. They were stating the truth of what happened.

 

[Charlie_2024]

You should read my post more carefully. I never said Christ sinned, but rather became sin for us who knew no sin.

Also, Adam didn’t blame Eve nor did Eve blame the serpent. They were stating the truth of what happened.

I'm not sure how you understand "became sin for us who knew no sin" what does that mean. How do we correctly understand what Jesus was saying there. The way I understand it is, Jesus took our parking ticket and paid the fine Himself. So the Clerk who received the payment looked down on Him as the offender, even though He was perfectly innocent.

I don't see how Adam took Eve's sin and paid for it. I do see Adam blaming Eve for His sin, so he cannot be compared to Jesus in any way.

The Bible does refer to Jesus as the last Adam, because the first Adam was the one who caused all of mankind to be born with a sin nature which separated us from God. So the first Adam bought condemnation upon mankind and the second Adam (Jesus) came and liberated those God gave Him before the foundation of the world, (the elect).

 

[John146]

I'm not sure how you understand "became sin for us who knew no sin" what does that mean. How do we correctly understand what Jesus was saying there. The way I understand it is, Jesus took our parking ticket and paid the fine Himself. So the Clerk who received the payment looked down on Him as the offender, even though He was perfectly innocent.

I don't see how Adam took Eve's sin and paid for it. I do see Adam blaming Eve for His sin, so he cannot be compared to Jesus in any way.

The Bible does refer to Jesus as the last Adam, because the first Adam was the one who caused all of mankind to be born with a sin nature which separated us from God. So the first Adam bought condemnation upon mankind and the second Adam (Jesus) came and liberated those God gave Him before the foundation of the world, (the elect).

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Adam could not pay for Eve's sin. But Adam's sin made him a type of Jesus Christ.

Is the following a true statement? No blame game going on, but a true statement of what occurred. I know blaming Eve makes for a good sermon, but that's not what was going on.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

 

[CS1]

So you actually agree with my point that there would be no blood of Jesus without having someone to die for. And they can be none other than the elect of God, whom He foreknew and chose before He created the world.

Thank you

that is not what you said:

"But there would be no blood of Jesus, without first having the elect to shed His blood for. You had the order back to front"

Jesus said God loved and gave His son, but he did not say God loved the elect and therefore gave up His son for only them.

FYI God killed some kind of animal for Adam & Eve to provide skins to cover them. They were already sinners when HE did this.
They were elected before they fell, were they not? If that is the case, Then God did not need to do anything because they were Hid Elect.

it seems you have the order back to front. LOL

 

[Stan_the_Man]

But Adam's sin made him a type of Jesus Christ.

That's very disrespectful to the Lord Jesus claiming when someone sins it makes them like Jesus

This statement is absolutely false!

 

[Nehemiah6]

This statement is absolutely false!

Yes. Adam is contrasted with Christ even though Christ is called "the last Adam". And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. (1 Cor 15:45-47)

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Yes. Adam is contrasted with Christ even though Christ is called "the last Adam". And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. (1 Cor 15:45-47)

None of this suggests that committing sin makes one like Jesus - it does not.

 

[John146]

That's very disrespectful to the Lord Jesus claiming when someone sins it makes them like Jesus

This statement is absolutely false!

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

And this does not mean Adam became like Jesus when he sinned.

Jesus never ever sinned.

 

[John146]

And this does not mean Adam became like Jesus when he sinned.

Jesus never ever sinned.

Typology, not exact replica

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Typology, not exact replica

God assigned Adam to have authority over the entire world, but he sinned and gave it to the devil.

Now, Jesus had to come along and undo the damage that Adam did and after this age is over, Jesus will become the ruling authority over this world for 1000 years and some of us will rule and reign with him.

Those that don't believe in the 1000 year reign of Christ and just wait in the breakroom

 

[Nehemiah6]

None of this suggests that committing sin makes one like Jesus - it does not.

Did I say it does?

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Did I say it does?

When did you say that?

Somebody earlier said Adam became like Jesus

 

[Charlie_2024]

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Adam could not pay for Eve's sin. But Adam's sin made him a type of Jesus Christ.

Is the following a true statement? No blame game going on, but a true statement of what occurred. I know blaming Eve makes for a good sermon, but that's not what was going on.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Adam knew he couldn't lie to God about eating the fruit because he knew that God knew that he ate it. Three's no disputing that fact. I just don't understand how Adams sin made him a type of Christ, we know he couldn't pay for Eves sin and God didn't hold him accountable for her sin either.

We see they both tried to blame others for disobeying God, none of them admitted responsibility for their own actions. Why does Adam sat "the woman you gave me, gave me the fruit and I did eat" He's not saying I took the fruit and ate it. And Eve is blaming the Serpent for seducing her.

Adam didn't take any punishment for Eve, so there is no comparison between Jesus and Adam

 

[Charlie_2024]

that is not what you said:

"But there would be no blood of Jesus, without first having the elect to shed His blood for. You had the order back to front"

Jesus said God loved and gave His son, but he did not say God loved the elect and therefore gave up His son for only them.

FYI God killed some kind of animal for Adam & Eve to provide skins to cover them. They were already sinners when HE did this.
They were elected before they fell, were they not? If that is the case, Then God did not need to do anything because they were Hid Elect.

it seems you have the order back to front. LOL

You knew I was referring to the elect, are you suggesting that He also shed His blood for the condemned reprobate whom He's going to cast into the lake of fire.

Your philosophy is self defeating, why would He shed His blood for someone who He promised to cast into hell. It just doesn't make sense

 

[John146]

God assigned Adam to have authority over the entire world, but he sinned and gave it to the devil.

Now, Jesus had to come along and undo the damage that Adam did and after this age is over, Jesus will become the ruling authority over this world for 1000 years and some of us will rule and reign with him.

Those that don't believe in the 1000 year reign of Christ and just wait in the breakroom

I agree with you brother