Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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Dear Sir, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that everyone knows that God exists. But there are two types of people, those who know God as their Lord and Savior. And those who know Him as the Judge who will cast them into hell.
So the important thing is our relationship with Him, are we friends or enemies of His. Please consider the 2 verses below, they address the issue very well.
Roman 1:21
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts.
So the important thing is our relationship with Him, are we friends or enemies of His. Please consider the 2 verses below, they address the issue very well.
Roman 1:21
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts.
Those verses have nothing to do with our issue. The first one instructs us not to judge our enemies, as God is the judge. In other words don't go and shoot your enemy because he stole a loaf of bread from you. You don't know if God has purposed to save that person.
Nobody gets a shot at salvation, you either receive it from God as a gift or you don't receive it at all. God doesn't play games with a carrot and stick, you must deal with the fact that salvation is not mans choice in any way shape of form. It's all of the Lord or it's nothing.
The parable of the Sower, is not an invitation or an alter call. It's speaking about the kinds of ways people respond to the gospel message. We see four kinds of responses and only one is a saving response and the other three are going to hell.
You can see that all four responses are passive, none of them rejected the gospel because the gospel was bad news. The three rejected it because they weren't equipped to receive it, meaning it had nothing to do with their choice to reject it. It means their soil was bad, so they couldn't nurture the seed to allow it to grow.
The one which did receive the seed and nurture it was the soil which was already prepared before by God, in other words God elected to make that soil good while leaving the other is their unsuitable state.
The whole Bible keeps proving that God is subject to Gods sovereign choice in all things including who is saved and who is left in their sin. Those who think that God doesn't control every aspect of His creation have a very low and false view of who God is.
Nobody gets a shot at salvation, you either receive it from God as a gift or you don't receive it at all. God doesn't play games with a carrot and stick, you must deal with the fact that salvation is not mans choice in any way shape of form. It's all of the Lord or it's nothing.
The parable of the Sower, is not an invitation or an alter call. It's speaking about the kinds of ways people respond to the gospel message. We see four kinds of responses and only one is a saving response and the other three are going to hell.
You can see that all four responses are passive, none of them rejected the gospel because the gospel was bad news. The three rejected it because they weren't equipped to receive it, meaning it had nothing to do with their choice to reject it. It means their soil was bad, so they couldn't nurture the seed to allow it to grow.
The one which did receive the seed and nurture it was the soil which was already prepared before by God, in other words God elected to make that soil good while leaving the other is their unsuitable state.
The whole Bible keeps proving that God is subject to Gods sovereign choice in all things including who is saved and who is left in their sin. Those who think that God doesn't control every aspect of His creation have a very low and false view of who God is.
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Please don't leave me lost in confusion. Please let me know in what way I've been led astray. I really don't want to be led down the wrong path, so please let me know which part of what I believe is false doctrine. You keep telling me I'm wrong but you have never identified a single fault in my theology.
This leaves me no choice, other than to hold you to account or treat you as a false accuse. You really don't want to follow the example of the accuser of the brethren in the bible. His coming punishment is unimaginably horrible.
This leaves me no choice, other than to hold you to account or treat you as a false accuse. You really don't want to follow the example of the accuser of the brethren in the bible. His coming punishment is unimaginably horrible.
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This nothing more than your understanding
James 4:8
New International Version
8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Everyone Gets given a seed,
18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
James 4:8
New International Version
8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Everyone Gets given a seed,
18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
But you never defend your view with any scripture. You always respond to the charges, by your emotions. I'm afraid emotional responses never resolve anything. You may get temporary relief by letting off steam but that doesn't achieve anything other than provide temporary relief from a chronic condition.
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Exactly you can not do nothing without Christ.
Which means you where nothing before you was created.
Which means it's christ life in you all ready before your given a new seed.
His life is in all unsaved people to.
And they have honor his life in them and love his life in them to become Good soil whilst they are unsaved
Old testament say this
Love Good with all your heart
Love thy neighbour as they self.
How is that even possible if his life is not in fallen people
Which means you where nothing before you was created.
Which means it's christ life in you all ready before your given a new seed.
His life is in all unsaved people to.
And they have honor his life in them and love his life in them to become Good soil whilst they are unsaved
Old testament say this
Love Good with all your heart
Love thy neighbour as they self.
How is that even possible if his life is not in fallen people
“I would suggest you find a Shepherd to lead you and teach you, because it's obvious you're only a sheep and not a Teacher or Minister.”
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
“Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.”
Matthew 7:7-8 KJV
Awee the action and reaction involved ? I need to ask or I’m not going to receive , I need to seek with all my heart or I won’t find I need to knock or the door won’t be opened for me
rather than “ if you seek or don’t seek you’ll find , if you don’t know I the door will be opened if you don’t ask you’ll still receive “
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
Hebrews 11:6 KJV
We need to hear this stuff because it will teach us to seek the lord your looking at what it was before the lord came looking at why he came rather than after he came
We’re in the New Testament now born as gods children filled with his spirit not who we were partakers of this now
This is for us now brother it’s marching orders , a battle plan our new charter and identity is this
“grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
( v your saved you can’t do anything there’s nothing for you to do )
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”
2 Peter 1:2-11 KJV
If ye do these things you’ll never fall and enter into the kingdom v if we live this way
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
What we do has so much impact after we come to Christ we have to embrace the new and let the old go this is not about Christian’s it’s about before Christ had come to save us this is why Jesus had to come and teach the truth to mankind
“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
Psalm 14:2-3 KJV
Jesus became the son of man and did good now we can be converted to him through the gospel
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
“Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.”
Matthew 7:7-8 KJV
Awee the action and reaction involved ? I need to ask or I’m not going to receive , I need to seek with all my heart or I won’t find I need to knock or the door won’t be opened for me
rather than “ if you seek or don’t seek you’ll find , if you don’t know I the door will be opened if you don’t ask you’ll still receive “
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
Hebrews 11:6 KJV
We need to hear this stuff because it will teach us to seek the lord your looking at what it was before the lord came looking at why he came rather than after he came
We’re in the New Testament now born as gods children filled with his spirit not who we were partakers of this now
This is for us now brother it’s marching orders , a battle plan our new charter and identity is this
“grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
( v your saved you can’t do anything there’s nothing for you to do )
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”
2 Peter 1:2-11 KJV
If ye do these things you’ll never fall and enter into the kingdom v if we live this way
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
What we do has so much impact after we come to Christ we have to embrace the new and let the old go this is not about Christian’s it’s about before Christ had come to save us this is why Jesus had to come and teach the truth to mankind
“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
Psalm 14:2-3 KJV
Jesus became the son of man and did good now we can be converted to him through the gospel
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