Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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I agree. I can find anything that says you are a legend, even if it is in your mind.
David prays No matter what, God is with me is the point. There is what is known as figurative speaking.
"Drink water from your own cistern," Provbers 5:15-22 is speaking of Fidelity. Interpretation of the text is done when you keep it in context. You are only wanting to be right and unable to be teachable.
The difference between you and I is I will. I could be wrong. Those here who read what I say must pray and read it themselves. If they disagree Fine
I am not going to attack them like you do.
Psalm 139
1O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
2You know my sitting down and my rising up;
You understand my thought afar off.
3You comprehend my path and my lying down,
And are acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word on my tongue,
But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.
5 You have hedged me behind and before,
And laid Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is high, I cannot attain it.
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
IF is not saying it has or did. David was not in heaven, nor was he in hell. Yet he testified of God knowing all things and being ever present with David.
I did not blow the context as you suggested. You don't understand the word of God.
David prays No matter what, God is with me is the point. There is what is known as figurative speaking.
"Drink water from your own cistern," Provbers 5:15-22 is speaking of Fidelity. Interpretation of the text is done when you keep it in context. You are only wanting to be right and unable to be teachable.
The difference between you and I is I will. I could be wrong. Those here who read what I say must pray and read it themselves. If they disagree Fine
I am not going to attack them like you do.Psalm 139
1O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
2You know my sitting down and my rising up;
You understand my thought afar off.
3You comprehend my path and my lying down,
And are acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word on my tongue,
But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.
5 You have hedged me behind and before,
And laid Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is high, I cannot attain it.
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
IF is not saying it has or did. David was not in heaven, nor was he in hell. Yet he testified of God knowing all things and being ever present with David.
I did not blow the context as you suggested. You don't understand the word of God.
You firstly admitted that you could be wrong, which is OK because most Christians don't know much about what God said. They have a lot to learn, and that's fine. But to then go on to accuse me of not understanding the Word of God, just because I quoted the Word of God, suggests that you don't want to embrace the awful truth.
I appreciate were all at different levels of knowledge and at different places on the journey, but you shouldn't jump to conclusions when you don't know what God said about the matter.
I'm happy to assist you with many scriptures to show you that God is always in hell, but I'll give you this one to study in the meantime.
Revelation 14:10
He himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Every Church has a Judas Iscariot or two, sadly they do a lot of damage by the time we find out who they are. Some are in the pulpit, while others may by ordinary garden variety Church Members.
We don't consider Devils Children to be a problem if they just visit our Church, because they come and go. But it's those Devils who make a profession of faith and apply for Church membership, in order to gain access to children or to some other sinister reason. They are the ones we need to judge and excommunicate ASAP
We don't consider Devils Children to be a problem if they just visit our Church, because they come and go. But it's those Devils who make a profession of faith and apply for Church membership, in order to gain access to children or to some other sinister reason. They are the ones we need to judge and excommunicate ASAP
First off you are not an authority nor are you the judge . You think Christ failed to atone if he Died for one who is in Hell.
Yet you argued God is in hell. Do you even read what you say? You say everyone who disagree with you is unbiblical. That's because you are prideful person. Unable to teach, and unable to learn. You just regurgitate what you hear hard line calvinist say.
Many provided scripture to support their position. You don't agree fine. The understanding you have about Christ ability to atone is foolishness'. You are incapable of understanding that the Gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ is the power of God for Salvation. Romans 1:16. Jesus said those who believe in Him shall be saved. John 3:16-18.
Those who are in hell are also known as the dead without Christ and we are to leave those who are dead to God because after death is the judgement.
Are you a soul winner ? You have been given the minister of Reconciliation 2cor 5:18-19
Who have you led to the lord ? No one. Why? Because you are ineffective in the Gospel message of Christ that tell everyone who is alive Christ died for them. Even if they don't come to the saving knowledge. You think that is a waste? How beautiful are the feet of them that Bring Good news.
You have none. "IF God did not elect you, you are going to hell. " "Sorry suck to be you." What a pitiful Gospel you bring and weaken the ability of God to save all. You think you are elite. You are not.
Yet you argued God is in hell. Do you even read what you say? You say everyone who disagree with you is unbiblical. That's because you are prideful person. Unable to teach, and unable to learn. You just regurgitate what you hear hard line calvinist say.
Many provided scripture to support their position. You don't agree fine. The understanding you have about Christ ability to atone is foolishness'. You are incapable of understanding that the Gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ is the power of God for Salvation. Romans 1:16. Jesus said those who believe in Him shall be saved. John 3:16-18.
Those who are in hell are also known as the dead without Christ and we are to leave those who are dead to God because after death is the judgement.
Are you a soul winner ? You have been given the minister of Reconciliation 2cor 5:18-19
Who have you led to the lord ? No one. Why? Because you are ineffective in the Gospel message of Christ that tell everyone who is alive Christ died for them. Even if they don't come to the saving knowledge. You think that is a waste? How beautiful are the feet of them that Bring Good news.
You have none. "IF God did not elect you, you are going to hell. " "Sorry suck to be you." What a pitiful Gospel you bring and weaken the ability of God to save all. You think you are elite. You are not.
It is very sad that you do not yet have the peace of God with the assurance that all sin is forgiven in Christ.
Rom 4:6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
Rom 4:7 "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS ARE FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS ARE COVERED;
Rom 4:8 BLESSED IS THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD SHALL NOT IMPUTE SIN."
Stop looking to yourself and look to Christ and live!
Rom 4:6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
Rom 4:7 "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS ARE FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS ARE COVERED;
Rom 4:8 BLESSED IS THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD SHALL NOT IMPUTE SIN."
Stop looking to yourself and look to Christ and live!
by implying that Christ died for every single person born you therefore are in contradiction of Scripture and have become a Universalist who can not believe in Hell because if Christ died for everyone then everyone's sin must be forgiven and there can not be a Hell which Christ warned about or you have insulted God by insinuating that Christ only came to try to make salvation possible for those who might choose Him which Scripture confirms no man can do because all are born enemies of God and would never choose God unless they are first born again. By doing so you are robbing a perfectly jealous God of the glory of His salvation and giving it to cursed man who by nature hates God and are perverting the glorious Gospel of grace found only in the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
It seems that God has judicially blinded you from seeing who you truly are before Him because of your pride in thinking that spiritually dead men can do anything except be dead just like in the valley of dry bones in Ezekiel 37 until God breathed on them and I sincerely hope that God gives you absolutely no peace until you are humbled to see your desperate need of Christ and trust in Him alone.
It seems that God has judicially blinded you from seeing who you truly are before Him because of your pride in thinking that spiritually dead men can do anything except be dead just like in the valley of dry bones in Ezekiel 37 until God breathed on them and I sincerely hope that God gives you absolutely no peace until you are humbled to see your desperate need of Christ and trust in Him alone.
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The fact remains, that regardless of your private opinion the truth remains the same forever and no private opinions can ever destroy it.
The fact is I am an Elect Saint of God, He has given me a sound mind and the gift of faith and discernment so I can rightly interpret God's Word. God said He only gives these gifts to His Elect Saints, and the rest have no hope of ever understanding anything God said.
He actually said they would seek it diligently, but I will hide it from them and they will have eyes and ears but they will remain blind and deaf. See, this is why the non elect hate the God the Elect believe in. They hate Him because they love their sin and they know that He didn't save them.
Remember that there are countless conflicting interpretations of the gospel, I have no idea which one you believe in because you refuse to identify yourself so all I can do is assume you have invented a fake gospel in your mind and you run with it.
The fact is I am an Elect Saint of God, He has given me a sound mind and the gift of faith and discernment so I can rightly interpret God's Word. God said He only gives these gifts to His Elect Saints, and the rest have no hope of ever understanding anything God said.
He actually said they would seek it diligently, but I will hide it from them and they will have eyes and ears but they will remain blind and deaf. See, this is why the non elect hate the God the Elect believe in. They hate Him because they love their sin and they know that He didn't save them.
Remember that there are countless conflicting interpretations of the gospel, I have no idea which one you believe in because you refuse to identify yourself so all I can do is assume you have invented a fake gospel in your mind and you run with it.