Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

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Will the nonelect ever be born-again?

  • The nonelect can be born-again.

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ForestGreenCook

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You're theology is incoherent and biblically incorrect. So you need to deal with what God says about Himself and not what your shepherd said about Him It's very obvious your view is not consistent with biblical theology.

In Numbers 23:19 we read, “God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.” First Samuel 15:29 affirms, “He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind.” Psalm 110:4 says, “The LORD has sworn and will not change ...

You should find a teacher/shepherd who doesn't contradict what God has said. God is not pleased with false teachers, as they don't bring Him any glory and they do damage to the gospel.
Matt. 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

So I would urge you to get away from whoever is teaching you false doctrines and seek out a true shepherd, who will lead you and teach you the truth of the gospel.

From what I have read of your posts, I agree with. Here is another verse that affirms that God does not change. Mal 3:6.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The elect are chosen servants during the time of Jacob's trouble. They will be gathered to be spared from the Lord's wrath on the earth.
Scripture please. Jacob, whose name God changed to be called Israel is spiritual Israel (Rom 9:6-16)
 

John146

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Scripture please. Jacob, whose name God changed to be called Israel is spiritual Israel (Rom 9:6-16)
Nope, spiritual Israel are Jews who are saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Matthew 24 and 25 is prophecy that includes the kingdom of Christ on earth over the nation of Israel, not the body of Christ.
 
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The elect are chosen servants during the time of Jacob's trouble. They will be gathered to be spared from the Lord's wrath on the earth.
The elect where all chosen to serve the lord to bring people to the lord.

Do you believe this


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24 “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!
26 “So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.[a] 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.



32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Nope, spiritual Israel are Jews who are saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Matthew 24 and 25 is prophecy that includes the kingdom of Christ on earth over the nation of Israel, not the body of Christ.
These scriptures are referencing the destruction of Jerusalem, by the Roman empire, and the generation at that time will not pass till all these thing be fulfilled (Matt 24:34) (Mark 13:30) (Luke 21:32).
 

John146

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These scriptures are referencing the destruction of Jerusalem, by the Roman empire, and the generation at that time will not pass till all these thing be fulfilled (Matt 24:34) (Mark 13:30) (Luke 21:32).
That generation is yet future.
 

John146

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What is your proof that it is in the future?
The problem is what time frame to put this in. Although many want to put its fulfillment around 70 A.D. there are problems:
1. Nation didn't rise against nation, Rome was in control.
2. Nor were there any pestilence and earthquakes, however there has been a slow buildup of these things the past couple of centuries.
3. None of the apostles here addressed were delivered up and hated of all nations after 70 A.D. because none of them were alive except John.
 

John146

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What is your scripture reference for your statement?
There are no election verses unto salvation. Most are to service. The first mention principle helps us with this. Jesus is God's elect servant.

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
 

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Not only in my eyes but in Gods eyes also, because I'm indwelt by His Spirit.

Ok, here we go. Let me see how you deny Gods Word in this verse of scripture.

Psalms 139:7-10

If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, Even there Your hand shall lead me, And Your right hand shall hold me.

God is not a man; he is omniscient. He is everywhere and you can't deny it
Yeah, you're a legend in your own mind.

Here is a word for you: ready CONTEXT!!! David prayed to speak of his relationship with his God.

Some would argue it was Figertively said. David was saying God is with HIM ALWAYS is David in hell?

NO.

Here are two more words for you to look up.


Descriptive = scripture not to build a doctrine on not shown more than once or trice contextually as a Normative

Normative = that which is in scripture; the doctrine that can be seen and adhered to or said many times beyond descriptive.


You are wrong and unwilling to be corrected. But that's ok.