this sounds more like spiritual witchcraft than anything else. be careful how you 'cast a spell' because it can come back to bite you'
you have illustrated a major problem with how some people use the Bible as a tool to 'get whatever' and picking verses that have zero to do with the subject at hand
let's look at the context of Romans 10: 8, but in order to do that, we will have to show what is really being said by Paul here and what he actually had in mind.
5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of alland richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
here, you have taken an illustration of salvation, which Paul is basing on an understanding they already have concerning Moses, and twisted it to mean 'speaking the right words the right way will get you what you want'
personal note: sadly, I understand more and more why people shy away from certain groups and WOF and often ultra Charasmatic being a couple.
this passage is speaking of confession of faith in Christ...ie salvation
it is most certainly not speaking of blab it and grab it
no hornet's nest was stirred up that has not been thoroughly covered many many times in these forms
I will say again that there is absolute truth regarding our words as per scripture and you have some truth mixed in with what you say, but it is not as you say
I know about words, I know about cursing and I know about life and death in our words but the shameful and harmful thing here is the addition to the meaning of all the words that turn those who actually study the word OFF and discourage those who believe something is written about words, but become confused by all the twisting of those words
try again
you have illustrated a major problem with how some people use the Bible as a tool to 'get whatever' and picking verses that have zero to do with the subject at hand
let's look at the context of Romans 10: 8, but in order to do that, we will have to show what is really being said by Paul here and what he actually had in mind.
5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of alland richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
here, you have taken an illustration of salvation, which Paul is basing on an understanding they already have concerning Moses, and twisted it to mean 'speaking the right words the right way will get you what you want'
personal note: sadly, I understand more and more why people shy away from certain groups and WOF and often ultra Charasmatic being a couple.
this passage is speaking of confession of faith in Christ...ie salvation
it is most certainly not speaking of blab it and grab it
no hornet's nest was stirred up that has not been thoroughly covered many many times in these forms
I will say again that there is absolute truth regarding our words as per scripture and you have some truth mixed in with what you say, but it is not as you say
I know about words, I know about cursing and I know about life and death in our words but the shameful and harmful thing here is the addition to the meaning of all the words that turn those who actually study the word OFF and discourage those who believe something is written about words, but become confused by all the twisting of those words
try again
Paul clearly says there is a law of faith, and like all laws, it works the same way all the time, otherwise it would cease to be a law.
Paul also says faith is a spirit, like the Holy Spirit is a spirit.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
This is how faith works for us today, as it did for them back then, because we have the SAME SPIRIT OF FAITH, as they had.
You speak what you believe in your heart. That is faith in a nutshell.
Now let's again look at the same principle of HOW faith or the law of faith works in Romans 10:8-10.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Same principal of faith as in 2Corinthians. If you confess with your mouth what you believe in your heart, then it is or become what you just decreed.
Again, both death and/or destruction and life and/or healing are in the power of the tongue. It just doesn't say you have to believe what you say in your heart.
Let's look at yet another example of this law or principle of faith.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God [or the faith of God].
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not [no] doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
It is repeated over and over again, all through the bible.
This is the basic principle of the law of faith and how the law of the word of faith works.
An example of it working on the negative side would be;
Let's say someone has the symptoms of a cold or flu, and because they feel ill, they soon start telling others how they feel and start confessing how they must have caught either a cold or the flu.
Whether they had the actual virus or not, matters not, they just establish it's existence and right to be there to inflict them.
According to your faith, whether it be in the positive or negative, be it done unto you.
Again, "To him that has [that which he believes he has], shall be given [to him].
So even though Romans is talking about salvation, healing, deliverance, protection, and making one whole, the principle of the law of faith is still there that makes it all work or manifest.
This is not an evil doctrine, or that of devils, nor is it a form of witchcraft, and neither did I twist what it said. I simply extrapolated the words that reveal the law itself and how it works.
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