Can a Saved Person

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HealthAndHappiness

HealthAndHappiness

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Vote40 said:
The saved have persevered and do not sin.
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-Whoever you decided to listen to for spiritual/ biblical instruction is foolish.
-The thought of foolishness is sin.
-They continue in sin with such a foolish thought.
-They multiply those sins by teaching false foundational Bible truth..
-If you are in that church right now, Run, don't walk to the nearest exit, friend.

there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Ecclesiastes 7

Do you and your pastor think you are the exceptions?

There is NONE righteous, No Not one.

For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:10, 23
 
Nehemiah6

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Vote40 said:
The saved do not sin because they are righteous/have endured.
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You are not only mistaken but trying to mislead others. So are you claiming you have personally stopped sinning altogether? Let's hear it.
 
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Vote40

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Nehemiah6 said:
You are not only mistaken but trying to mislead others. So are you claiming you have personally stopped sinning altogether? Let's hear it.
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Hebrews 10:26-30
For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins. 27 But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries. 28 A man making void the law of Moses, dieth without any mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 How much more, do you think he deserveth worse punishments, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath esteemed the blood of the testament unclean, by which he was sanctified, and hath offered an affront to the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said: Vengeance belongeth to me, and I will repay. And again: The Lord shall judge his people.
 
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Vote40

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HealthAndHappiness said:
-Whoever you decided to listen to for spiritual/ biblical instruction is foolish.
-The thought of foolishness is sin.
-They continue in sin with such a foolish thought.
-They multiply those sins by teaching false foundational Bible truth..
-If you are in that church right now, Run, don't walk to the nearest exit, friend.

there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Ecclesiastes 7

Do you and your pastor think you are the exceptions?

There is NONE righteous, No Not one.

For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:10, 23
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Hell is for the unsaved sinners. The saved do not sin.
 
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Vote40

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HealthAndHappiness said:
-Whoever you decided to listen to for spiritual/ biblical instruction is foolish.
-The thought of foolishness is sin.
-They continue in sin with such a foolish thought.
-They multiply those sins by teaching false foundational Bible truth..
-If you are in that church right now, Run, don't walk to the nearest exit, friend.

there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Ecclesiastes 7

Do you and your pastor think you are the exceptions?

There is NONE righteous, No Not one.

For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:10, 23
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Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
 
Lifted_by_the_word

Lifted_by_the_word

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A born again Christian cannot sin is a lie from the pit of hell.This reminds me of this pastor who believed this doctrine who was actually a full blown satanist.I ended up exposing him to some of the people in his small community.He's was a wolf in sheep's clothing.Acted all nice.Acted like a pillar of the community.
The last time I saw him you can see the hate in his eyes.My friend at the time even seen him looking all angry at me while I was filling up the tank in my boat as the fake pastor was walked into the store.
He then offered to take my money up the store and pay for the gas.I was about to tell him why he was looking at me like that, but decided not too.
I know that a lot of pastors like him get started into the ministry as a believer, but end up being apart of these satanic cults hidden in the churches.Some of these people in these cults even want to be pastors because of the power and money behind it.
This guy would do these sick,twisted,wicked things that people in these cults do, and still believed that he was sinless.
 
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Vote40

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Lifted_by_the_word said:
A born again Christian cannot sin is a lie from the pit of hell.This reminds me of this pastor who believed this doctrine who was actually a full blown satanist.I ended up exposing him to some of the people in his small community.He's was a wolf in sheep's clothing.Acted all nice.Acted like a pillar of the community.
The last time I saw him you can see the hate in his eyes.My friend at the time even seen him looking all angry at me while I was filling up the tank in my boat as the fake pastor was walked into the store.
He then offered to take my money up the store and pay for the gas.I was about to tell him why he was looking at me like that, but decided not too.
I know that a lot of pastors like him get started into the ministry as a believer, but end up being apart of these satanic cults hidden in the churches.Some of these people in these cults even want to be pastors because of the power and money behind it.
This guy would do these sick,twisted,wicked things that people in these cults do, and still believed that he was sinless.
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Do you believe Christians who persevered to the end sin?

Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
 
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Karlon

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Vote40 said:
Not everybody will always sin.
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that is not true. if it were, people can call themselves sinless & that's impossible because Jesus is the only sinless person ever. (2n Corinthians 5:21). the difference between an atheist sinning & a Christian sinning is huge. the atheist sins willfully without care. the saved Christian may sin but is nudged by the Holy Spirit convicting the sinner thinning is wrong. the saved person will recognize that & edify & improve by forsaking that sin. God always knows who is really trying to forsake sin & improve in obedience & who is going thru the motions. also, study & learn Romans 3:23: "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED & COME SHOERT OF RTHE GLORY OF GOD"! even though "have" is past tense, when you read it in the future it's still past tense & no one stops sinning when they read that verse!
 
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Vote40

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Karlon said:
that is not true. if it were, people can call themselves sinless & that's impossible because Jesus is the only sinless person ever. (2n Corinthians 5:21). the difference between an atheist sinning & a Christian sinning is huge. the atheist sins willfully without care. the saved Christian may sin but is nudged by the Holy Spirit convicting the sinner thinning is wrong. the saved person will recognize that & edify & improve by forsaking that sin. God always knows who is really trying to forsake sin & improve in obedience & who is going thru the motions. also, study & learn Romans 3:23: "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED & COME SHOERT OF RTHE GLORY OF GOD"! even though "have" is past tense, when you read it in the future it's still past tense & no one stops sinning when they read that verse!
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They no longer sin; they have persevered.

Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
 
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Karlon

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Vote40 said:
They no longer sin; they have persevered.

Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
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persevere there means believe in Jesus, obey, trust, keep the faith & never quit, not walking away from belief
 
Bob-Carabbio

Bob-Carabbio

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Vote40 said:
Can a Saved Person Sin?
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ABSOLUTELY!!! It would be expected that as the Born again person matures in the their relationship with God, that the Romans 8:28,29 process has its effect that they would sin LESS as time goes on. However we have an advocate - 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1 who restores us.

TRUE - there are actually folks that think/claim they "live sinlessly". They're also liars.
 
Nicolas

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Since the drama that arose in the forum about clothing in the church, I told myself that I was not going to comment further, because it always turns into a royal rumble, but I see that there is so much confusion in this forum. Some say that babies are born without sin, without understanding that sin is inherited, it is not necessary to sin to be a sinner, it is for this reason that Jesus had to be born of a virgin

Psalm 51:5
Surely I was a sinner at birth, a sinner since my mother conceived me.

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.

Others say that a saved person cannot sin because Jesus has cleansed us. So, if, I say something rude to someone, I'm not sinning? If I attack someone, am I not sinning? If I steal a candy, am I not sinning? If I see a woman on the beach with lust, am I not sinning? How does that work??? Now that I am saved, I can do whatever I want because I am no longer sinning?

Galatians 5:13
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.
 
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