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No, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that your loose interpretation of 3 verses do not make void EVERY OTHER scripture in the Bible. What I have done is post the Word's of God which explain who He was, including Isaiah, and attempted to have a conversation about them, what they mean, and what it means to preach that God really didn't come in the Flesh. That Jesus really didn't overcome sin and satan as a man.
But you must deflect G9. Because if Jesus overcame sin and satan as a man, same as you, your entire religious system and all your traditions, and doctrines come crashing down.
It was the same for the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time. If they were to actually "believe" that Jesus was God who became flesh and lived among us, then all their precious religious traditions, all their Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sin, all the money their religion generated for them, would come to a screeching halt.
This is the difference between the broad path and the narrow Path.
The broad path is filled with men who create their own religion and doctrines.
The Narrow Path is filled by those who Live By EVERY WORD of God, as did their Savior, the Man Jesus, who was killed, but God Rose Him from the Dead because He overcame sin..
But you must deflect G9. Because if Jesus overcame sin and satan as a man, same as you, your entire religious system and all your traditions, and doctrines come crashing down.
It was the same for the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time. If they were to actually "believe" that Jesus was God who became flesh and lived among us, then all their precious religious traditions, all their Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sin, all the money their religion generated for them, would come to a screeching halt.
This is the difference between the broad path and the narrow Path.
The broad path is filled with men who create their own religion and doctrines.
The Narrow Path is filled by those who Live By EVERY WORD of God, as did their Savior, the Man Jesus, who was killed, but God Rose Him from the Dead because He overcame sin..
what would change about your religion if you actually believed He is fully God, not only just a blameless man?
I AM the good shepherd
(John 10:11)
if you knew that He calls Himself good, what would change about how you think & preach about what He said to the rich young man who had kept the law? -
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in this passage, the narrow path is filled with the Son of God, The Angel of the LORD, with drawn sword 
few see; few find Him.
When the donkey saw The Angel of the LORD standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, the donkey turned off from the way and went into the field; but Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back into the way.
Then The Angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path of the vineyards, with a wall on this side and a wall on that side. When the donkey saw The angel of the Lord, she pressed herself to the wall and pressed Balaam’s foot against the wall, so he struck her again.
The Angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place where there was no way to turn to the right hand or the left. When the donkey saw The Angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam; so Balaam was angry and struck the donkey with his stick. And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”
(Numbers 22:23-28)
few see; few find Him.
I am The Gate
(John 10:9)
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does it ever occur to you that you might be guilty of the very things you accuse others of doing?
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
(Romans 2:1)
(Romans 2:1)
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enter through the narrow gate
(Matthew 7:13)
everyone who hears these words of Mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock
(Matthew 7:24)
imperative commands in Matthew 7:
- do not judge ((v.1))
- take the plank out of your eye ((v.5))
- don't give dogs what is sacred, pearls to pigs ((v.6))
- ask, seek, knock ((v.7))
- in everything, do to others what you would have done to you ((v.12))
- "this sums up the law and the prophets"
- enter through The Narrow Gate ((v.13))
- "I AM The Gate" - John 10:9
- watch out for false prophets ((v. 15))
how many of us keep them? all 7? even 1 or 2 out of 7, perfectly?
as a poet among our brothers sang, 'lay hand to mouth, spoken once, i will speak no more'
the man who said "have mercy on me, a sinner" is the one who went home justified; not the man who came before God boasting of the good, lawful, obedient works he did. ((re: Luke 18:14))
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That's a tough question, I'll give you the short version of my answer. LOL
Jesus said HE is the Light of the World. And before Abraham was, "I AM".
1Peter 1:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Gen. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
So it seems God so loved the World, that He sent His Son, the Word of God, in which all things were created, from the very beginning.
And the people of God, like Abraham, knew about Him becoming this Lamb.
Gen. 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
And because of transgressions, this same Son created a Priesthood, given to the Levites, which contained sacrificial "Works/deeds of the Law" for the cleansing of sin. This sacrifice foreshadowed a sacrificial event in which this same Son would come to Earth as a man.
Ex. 12:
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Duet. 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
And this same Son foretold of this event several times and what it would mean. Jeremiah 31 is one such place.
Jer. 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ( Levites to administer His Instructions, and to perform sacrificial "works/deeds of the Law for atonement) which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD (For finding fault with THEM)
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
No more Levite Priests to administer His Laws!!!
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
No more Levite Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins!!!
In Galatians the Levite Priests were still promoting their version of this Priesthood that was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham.
They didn't believe that Son, the Word of God. So they didn't believe the Son, the Word of God when He became a man like Moses.
John 5:
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
So it seems then that this "ADDED" Law was to be in place until the "SEED" should come. This "ADDED" Law being the Priesthood Abraham didn't have. (Levi wasn't born yet)
I used to think it was when Jesus became of age to preach. A two year old can't offer his life for or teach anyone. I noticed that Jesus forgave sins without ever shedding a drop of goats or Lambs blood as the "added" Law prescribed. But then I thought about all the sins of His people that were forgiven by His Blood before He gave those "works of the Law" to Levi, like Abraham. So all the sins of the world which have been forgiven, was because of His Sacrifice and His Blood that He gave for them, "but was manifest in these last days for us".
Heb. 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the (Added Priesthood) law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since (Before) the "ADDED" law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
So I would say His Death and Resurrection, when God the Father, raised His Son, the Word of God which became Flesh, from the Dead.
When He said "It is finished".
This was when the Man Jesus became our High Priest. This is the end of the "ADDED" Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins.
I tried to keep it short
Jesus said HE is the Light of the World. And before Abraham was, "I AM".
1Peter 1:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Gen. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
So it seems God so loved the World, that He sent His Son, the Word of God, in which all things were created, from the very beginning.
And the people of God, like Abraham, knew about Him becoming this Lamb.
Gen. 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
And because of transgressions, this same Son created a Priesthood, given to the Levites, which contained sacrificial "Works/deeds of the Law" for the cleansing of sin. This sacrifice foreshadowed a sacrificial event in which this same Son would come to Earth as a man.
Ex. 12:
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Duet. 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
And this same Son foretold of this event several times and what it would mean. Jeremiah 31 is one such place.
Jer. 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ( Levites to administer His Instructions, and to perform sacrificial "works/deeds of the Law for atonement) which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD (For finding fault with THEM)
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
No more Levite Priests to administer His Laws!!!
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
No more Levite Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins!!!
In Galatians the Levite Priests were still promoting their version of this Priesthood that was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham.
They didn't believe that Son, the Word of God. So they didn't believe the Son, the Word of God when He became a man like Moses.
John 5:
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
So it seems then that this "ADDED" Law was to be in place until the "SEED" should come. This "ADDED" Law being the Priesthood Abraham didn't have. (Levi wasn't born yet)
I used to think it was when Jesus became of age to preach. A two year old can't offer his life for or teach anyone. I noticed that Jesus forgave sins without ever shedding a drop of goats or Lambs blood as the "added" Law prescribed. But then I thought about all the sins of His people that were forgiven by His Blood before He gave those "works of the Law" to Levi, like Abraham. So all the sins of the world which have been forgiven, was because of His Sacrifice and His Blood that He gave for them, "but was manifest in these last days for us".
Heb. 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the (Added Priesthood) law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since (Before) the "ADDED" law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
So I would say His Death and Resurrection, when God the Father, raised His Son, the Word of God which became Flesh, from the Dead.
When He said "It is finished".
This was when the Man Jesus became our High Priest. This is the end of the "ADDED" Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins.
I tried to keep it short
That's a tough question, I'll give you the short version of my answer. LOL
Jesus said HE is the Light of the World. And before Abraham was, "I AM".
1Peter 1:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Gen. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
So it seems God so loved the World, that He sent His Son, the Word of God, in which all things were created, from the very beginning.
And the people of God, like Abraham, knew about Him becoming this Lamb.
Gen. 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
And because of transgressions, this same Son created a Priesthood, given to the Levites, which contained sacrificial "Works/deeds of the Law" for the cleansing of sin. This sacrifice foreshadowed a sacrificial event in which this same Son would come to Earth as a man.
Ex. 12:
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Duet. 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
And this same Son foretold of this event several times and what it would mean. Jeremiah 31 is one such place.
Jer. 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ( Levites to administer His Instructions, and to perform sacrificial "works/deeds of the Law for atonement) which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD (For finding fault with THEM)
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
No more Levite Priests to administer His Laws!!!
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
No more Levite Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins!!!
In Galatians the Levite Priests were still promoting their version of this Priesthood that was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham.
They didn't believe that Son, the Word of God. So they didn't believe the Son, the Word of God when He became a man like Moses.
John 5:
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
So it seems then that this "ADDED" Law was to be in place until the "SEED" should come. This "ADDED" Law being the Priesthood Abraham didn't have. (Levi wasn't born yet)
I used to think it was when Jesus became of age to preach. A two year old can't offer his life for or teach anyone. I noticed that Jesus forgave sins without ever shedding a drop of goats or Lambs blood as the "added" Law prescribed. But then I thought about all the sins of His people that were forgiven by His Blood before He gave those "works of the Law" to Levi, like Abraham. So all the sins of the world which have been forgiven, was because of His Sacrifice and His Blood that He gave for them, "but was manifest in these last days for us".
Heb. 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the (Added Priesthood) law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since (Before) the "ADDED" law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
So I would say His Death and Resurrection, when God the Father, raised His Son, the Word of God which became Flesh, from the Dead.
When He said "It is finished".
This was when the Man Jesus became our High Priest. This is the end of the "ADDED" Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins.
I tried to keep it short
Jesus said HE is the Light of the World. And before Abraham was, "I AM".
1Peter 1:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Gen. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
So it seems God so loved the World, that He sent His Son, the Word of God, in which all things were created, from the very beginning.
And the people of God, like Abraham, knew about Him becoming this Lamb.
Gen. 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
And because of transgressions, this same Son created a Priesthood, given to the Levites, which contained sacrificial "Works/deeds of the Law" for the cleansing of sin. This sacrifice foreshadowed a sacrificial event in which this same Son would come to Earth as a man.
Ex. 12:
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Duet. 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
And this same Son foretold of this event several times and what it would mean. Jeremiah 31 is one such place.
Jer. 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ( Levites to administer His Instructions, and to perform sacrificial "works/deeds of the Law for atonement) which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD (For finding fault with THEM)
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
No more Levite Priests to administer His Laws!!!
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
No more Levite Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins!!!
In Galatians the Levite Priests were still promoting their version of this Priesthood that was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham.
They didn't believe that Son, the Word of God. So they didn't believe the Son, the Word of God when He became a man like Moses.
John 5:
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
So it seems then that this "ADDED" Law was to be in place until the "SEED" should come. This "ADDED" Law being the Priesthood Abraham didn't have. (Levi wasn't born yet)
I used to think it was when Jesus became of age to preach. A two year old can't offer his life for or teach anyone. I noticed that Jesus forgave sins without ever shedding a drop of goats or Lambs blood as the "added" Law prescribed. But then I thought about all the sins of His people that were forgiven by His Blood before He gave those "works of the Law" to Levi, like Abraham. So all the sins of the world which have been forgiven, was because of His Sacrifice and His Blood that He gave for them, "but was manifest in these last days for us".
Heb. 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the (Added Priesthood) law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since (Before) the "ADDED" law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
So I would say His Death and Resurrection, when God the Father, raised His Son, the Word of God which became Flesh, from the Dead.
When He said "It is finished".
This was when the Man Jesus became our High Priest. This is the end of the "ADDED" Priesthood "works/deeds of the Law" for remission of sins.
I tried to keep it short
now,
the time he says it is finished and bows his head and dies, assuming that we consider that a single time
and his resurrection
are two different times. in your view, was the added law not in effect after Jesus died?
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Well lets just look at your references here and see what they say..
Yes, they worshipped the prophesied Word of God who became Flesh. Was He God, or a man child?
Yes, they called Him the Son of God, prophesied to save God's People from their sins. How does this make Jesus a God and not a man of sorrows?
So where did they not know this was the prophesied Word of God made Flesh?
He, that is, the Word of God which became Flesh, had just been raised from the dead by God, as the scriptures had spoken. I worship Him as well. How does this make Him NOT a man before He was raised?
Do you not bring flowers to the grave of your loved ones? Does this mean they were a God when they walked the earth?
A man had just been raised from the dead. How does this make my understanding of Matt. 19:17 false?
In your religion, does this verse mean Jesus didn't come in the Flesh?
Again, Jesus had just been killed and buried, and now He just walked right through a closed door and was standing in the midst of them. This makes my understanding of Matt. 19:17 false how?
So, these verses don't make your case, maybe you can find some others. He was the Son of God, a man just like you and I. All His believers knew this and as the scriptures above show, they declared it.
Matt. 16:
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
John 7:
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Matt. 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
I would continue but to what end. You will just deflect and change the subject.
You are omitting from your conversation that Paul is speaking to a religion that was "bewitching" the galatians, which had created their own version of a "Priesthood" given by God to Levi, and had lost the very reason for the Priesthood in the first place.
Those men like Zechariahs, Simeon, the Wise men, Anna, and others knew the Christ, and knew what the "ADDED" sacrificial Laws that Abraham didn't have meant. So for them, the SEED came when they accepted the truth of the Word of God. So when they knew this truth, that the Blood of the sacrifice represented the Blood of the Word which became Flesh, then they no longer relied in the "works of the Law" for justification of their sins, rather, the Blood of Christ slain from the foundation of the world. So when Jesus came on the scene, they "KNEW HIM" because the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices led them to Him. Those who knew Him, who got to see this prophesied event Glorified God as it is written.
Matt. 13:
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
The blood of goats never took away sins, this law was to lead God's People to the Christ. Since these scriptures were written for me;
2 Tim. 3:
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
And given I was not there when these events happened, it seems juvenile to spend much time speaking about "when" the Sacrificial Laws became obsolete, because spiritually speaking they became obsolete the moment a man realizes the animal blood represented His Blood.
For me it was after His Death, for Zechariahs and Peter and Paul, it was before His Death. For some of the Jews, it was in the midst of His Death, but there are still many who the "SEED" has not yet come, and may never come.
Heb. 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Those men like Zechariahs, Simeon, the Wise men, Anna, and others knew the Christ, and knew what the "ADDED" sacrificial Laws that Abraham didn't have meant. So for them, the SEED came when they accepted the truth of the Word of God. So when they knew this truth, that the Blood of the sacrifice represented the Blood of the Word which became Flesh, then they no longer relied in the "works of the Law" for justification of their sins, rather, the Blood of Christ slain from the foundation of the world. So when Jesus came on the scene, they "KNEW HIM" because the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices led them to Him. Those who knew Him, who got to see this prophesied event Glorified God as it is written.
Matt. 13:
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
The blood of goats never took away sins, this law was to lead God's People to the Christ. Since these scriptures were written for me;
2 Tim. 3:
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
And given I was not there when these events happened, it seems juvenile to spend much time speaking about "when" the Sacrificial Laws became obsolete, because spiritually speaking they became obsolete the moment a man realizes the animal blood represented His Blood.
For me it was after His Death, for Zechariahs and Peter and Paul, it was before His Death. For some of the Jews, it was in the midst of His Death, but there are still many who the "SEED" has not yet come, and may never come.
Heb. 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
why did He - in the flesh - accept worship?
notice it's the same question, same subject, and i don't see that you've answered it ↑
separate question i asked, which you conflated. which is fine; they are related - because everything i am saying is about Jesus Christ, who He is and what He has done, is doing, and will do.
note that i didn't necessarily call your religious teaching false here; i asked if it would change when certain facts are considered:
how does what you said about how He replied to the man who kept the law relate to these two facts?
the fact that He accepts worship - even while He was in the flesh - corroborates the obvious conclusion of the two facts listed above. does your teaching on Matthew 19:17 agree? how?
notice it's the same question, same subject, and i don't see that you've answered it ↑
separate question i asked, which you conflated. which is fine; they are related - because everything i am saying is about Jesus Christ, who He is and what He has done, is doing, and will do.
note that i didn't necessarily call your religious teaching false here; i asked if it would change when certain facts are considered:
- Jesus calls Himself good.
- Jesus says no one but God is good.
how does what you said about how He replied to the man who kept the law relate to these two facts?
the fact that He accepts worship - even while He was in the flesh - corroborates the obvious conclusion of the two facts listed above. does your teaching on Matthew 19:17 agree? how?
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just to refresh our memories:
Studyman's teaching is this:
what is Jesus' objection to the way the man addresses Him?
is this even an objection?
does Jesus actually object to being called good ((then why does He call Himself good?)) or does Jesus say this in order to reveal/teach something to the man? if that's the case, what is it specifically He is teaching/revealing?
Studyman's teaching is this:
"Jesus knew He was a Man, He also knew He was the Word of God who directed Abraham. This is why He made the distinction between the two here. "Don't call Me, the man, Good, there is only one who is Good, and that is Me as God. It is His Word's that I speak, not My own. "
what is Jesus' objection to the way the man addresses Him?
is this even an objection?
does Jesus actually object to being called good ((then why does He call Himself good?)) or does Jesus say this in order to reveal/teach something to the man? if that's the case, what is it specifically He is teaching/revealing?
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((re: Matthew 19:17))
it is an interpretation among the saints that Jesus is pointing out a contradiction in what this man said; that he was addressing Christ as though He were only a man, but calling Him good, whereas no one but God is good.
the interpretation continues, that by instructing him to sell everything he had, give to the poor, and then follow Him, he is telling the man to respect and consider Him as God, not as a mere man, albeit a perhaps particularly holy and blameless man.
this man, remember, obediently kept all the law, yet he knew that he still lacked something in order to receive eternal life. he knew that he had not merited it even though he said, 'all these I have kept' -- and remember, Jesus looked on him and loved him. also remember, what this man asked, was 'what good thing must i do' - i.e. 'what work?' will merit eternal life as a reward.
it is important to fully understand the situation we are reading.
it is an interpretation among the saints that Jesus is pointing out a contradiction in what this man said; that he was addressing Christ as though He were only a man, but calling Him good, whereas no one but God is good.
the interpretation continues, that by instructing him to sell everything he had, give to the poor, and then follow Him, he is telling the man to respect and consider Him as God, not as a mere man, albeit a perhaps particularly holy and blameless man.
this man, remember, obediently kept all the law, yet he knew that he still lacked something in order to receive eternal life. he knew that he had not merited it even though he said, 'all these I have kept' -- and remember, Jesus looked on him and loved him. also remember, what this man asked, was 'what good thing must i do' - i.e. 'what work?' will merit eternal life as a reward.
it is important to fully understand the situation we are reading.
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First, I most certainly think Jesus was good, I am just listening to Him for my knowledge about him.
He was the Word of God which became Flesh. He was a man, not God. He said He didn't teach from His own mind, but from the Word of God. He was Prophesied to come, He came and His People Loved Him. But He always deferred to His Father. He always said it was His Father that we must pray to.
He is the "Good" Shepherd because He gives us His Perfect Father's Words, not His.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Now I can see how this would offend a man who may believe that the Father is an unjust God which has created unjust Laws, which burden and imprison men in the yoke of slavery so their Jesus had to come as save them from Him and remove His unjust Laws. All these scriptures certainly do relegate these religious beliefs as from men and not from God.
But Jesus did say all these Word's.
Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matt. 16:
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood (Man's mind)hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matt. 6:
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
So I appreciate your question and I understand your perception. But in my view this is all founded on a single foundational issue.
Was Jesus a man who overcame sins and the devil as a man? Or was He God when He overcame sin and satan?
I think the Bible is clear that He had a great victory over sin and satan. If He were God, there would be no victory, no Glory. This would be like you expecting a great award for beating up on a cockroach. But if the Bible is true, and He was a man, in all things as other men, then His victory over satan is a Great Victory, and His overcoming sin is a Great Accomplishment.
It would be great if you could show me how this understand is wrong according to the Word of God.
He was the Word of God which became Flesh. He was a man, not God. He said He didn't teach from His own mind, but from the Word of God. He was Prophesied to come, He came and His People Loved Him. But He always deferred to His Father. He always said it was His Father that we must pray to.
He is the "Good" Shepherd because He gives us His Perfect Father's Words, not His.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Now I can see how this would offend a man who may believe that the Father is an unjust God which has created unjust Laws, which burden and imprison men in the yoke of slavery so their Jesus had to come as save them from Him and remove His unjust Laws. All these scriptures certainly do relegate these religious beliefs as from men and not from God.
But Jesus did say all these Word's.
Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matt. 16:
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood (Man's mind)hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matt. 6:
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
So I appreciate your question and I understand your perception. But in my view this is all founded on a single foundational issue.
Was Jesus a man who overcame sins and the devil as a man? Or was He God when He overcame sin and satan?
I think the Bible is clear that He had a great victory over sin and satan. If He were God, there would be no victory, no Glory. This would be like you expecting a great award for beating up on a cockroach. But if the Bible is true, and He was a man, in all things as other men, then His victory over satan is a Great Victory, and His overcoming sin is a Great Accomplishment.
It would be great if you could show me how this understand is wrong according to the Word of God.
I'm not omitting anything, I asked for the answer "in your view".
"For me it was after His Death, for Zechariahs and Peter and Paul, it was before His Death. For some of the Jews, it was in the midst of His Death, but there are still many who the "SEED" has not yet come, and may never come."
if I'm understanding you right, it's different times for different people.
again, thank you for your answer.
"For me it was after His Death, for Zechariahs and Peter and Paul, it was before His Death. For some of the Jews, it was in the midst of His Death, but there are still many who the "SEED" has not yet come, and may never come."
if I'm understanding you right, it's different times for different people.
again, thank you for your answer.