Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[dcontroversal]

You missed the point. The ten virgins represent Israel. Jesus came to His own who is Israel. The Gentiles received the blessing that Israel refused.

The five virgins who were ready when the bridegroom appeared were representing Israel who heard and received Christ as Messiah.

Jesus was speaking to those who should have recognized Him and telling them that He would shut the door and they would not enter the kingdom because of their unbelief in Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Not to mention that the Gentiles are called the guests at the wedding in the parables......but hey........the Gentiles are all that and a bag of chips......

 

[Dino246]

Hi Dino.

I would offer it most certainly is.

To prophesy is to declare the living word of God ( Prophecy). It's not to declaring the will of men as the witness of man .That would be other books like the book of Mormon, the Catholics CCC book as a law of their fathers , creeds etc .Those books are compared to His one book.

You're contrasting the Bible with the core books of false religions. That is completely off-topic and has nothing to do with my point.

Paul writes in 1 Corinthians that prophecy is a spiritual gift. Reading the Bible aloud is not a spiritual gift; anyone can do that, including an unbeliever.

The prophecy that the daughters spoke is not recorded. Just like the prophecy of Enoch. Not every word as prophecy that comes from the lips of the Holy Spirit is written down .

EXACTLY! That means that words delivered today aren't intended to be added to Scripture!

It does not mean there is a open slate

Iv'e asked you many times to quote anyone who believes that there is an "open slate". You haven't provided a single quote. You just keep asserting that "they" believe there is. Why do you keep making an accusation with absolutely no evidence to support it?

If ever time God brought a word of prophecy to a individual and it was written down. We would need a bigger world to hold all the books that could be written One book is enough for me . Why go above that which is written? What's the living hope in doing so ?

More of the same baseless argument. I honestly wonder if you have even read my repeated requests for evidence.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Bravo.
Thats called posting for your ackalaids.
Just throw out smears. Put plenty of ketchup on it.
Other ketchup adherants will cover you with ignorant high fives.

 

[Dino246]

Bravo.
Thats called posting for your ackalaids.
Just throw out smears. Put plenty of ketchup on it.
Other ketchup adherants will cover you with ignorant high fives.

Psst... "accolades".

 

[fredoheaven]

When you have a church meeting - when the church comes together - we are instructed on how to conduct ourselves
in respect to operating the three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit - decently and in order ...

5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
6 Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge
or prophecy or teaching?
1Corinthians 14: (ESV)
22 Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.
23 If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds?
24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all,
25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed, and so, falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you.
1Corinthians 14: (ESV)
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged,
32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
1Corinthians 14: (ESV)
37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command
of the Lord.
38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
40 But all things should be done decently and in order.
1Corinthians 14: (ESV)

So what is this "prophetic message/s" means?

Thanks

 

[fredoheaven]

To which prophetic message are you referring? Your question doesn't make sense to me.

Ok, this makes no sense. I am just only trying to clarify but just wonder why a vocalist like you says nothing about this matter. well anyway, this is out of thread or the OP.

Thanks anyway...

 

[fredoheaven]

If you look at the criteria in Heb 6, you might see, they were truly born again children of God.
As for the former Baptist minister, I don't know, but it is possible for a child of God to be cut off from Christ, and I believe, grafted in again.
For example:
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

If we are in and part of the body of Christ, and He tells us to cut off that which offends us, would He be a hypocrite and do any less with those who offend Him.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them [again] be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee {oh child of God].
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in [again]: for God is able to graff them in again.

Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Hi know1, I think this is from another thread "Not by works". A simple summary: Romans 11 talks about Gentiles who will believe.

Luke 15 is a parable of not losing salvation.

I just think, spare doing some additions to the text in word of God or the KJV else will fall to wresting the scriptures.

God bless

 

[Waggles]

So what is this "prophetic message/s" means?

Thanks

It means operating the voice gift of the Holy Spirit in a church meeting where God speaks directly to his children -
the body of Christ.
Wonderful, uplifting, edifying, reproving, but always with love.

 

[Dino246]

Ok, this makes no sense. I am just only trying to clarify but just wonder why a vocalist like you says nothing about this matter. well anyway, this is out of thread or the OP.

Thanks anyway...

You say my post makes no sense in response to me saying your post makes no sense. Perhaps, as it was your post that first led to confusion, you could clarify your earlier post.

Or, we can drop it.

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

You are somebody who can interpret tongues!!? Fantastic!

Can you please interpret these tongues?

false teaching does not mean Tongues are not for today.

But also the scripture clearly states
1 Corinthians 12:30 (KJV)
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

and further

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.


So yes speak with the gift of tongues if you have it , but make sure you are loving each other as Jesus commanded

 

[garee]

You're contrasting the Bible with the core books of false religions. That is completely off-topic and has nothing to do with my point.

Paul writes in 1 Corinthians that prophecy is a spiritual gift. Reading the Bible aloud is not a spiritual gift; anyone can do that, including an unbeliever.

No one said anyone can't do it. Balaam's Ass did it. The gift is not the prophet , he as a apostle is sent with it. God is not served by the hands/will of things made .

Of course it has to do with my point. Different sources as well as different manners of faith bring different conclusions .

As Christians we have one source of faith...... Christ's . . . the faith of God, called the same spirit of faith as it is written it does the preaching .

So then whether one reads the one source of Christian faith as a in gate to our soul or hears another reading the hearing of Faith as God gives ears to hear accomplishes its good purpose

The new tongue the believers declares is the gospel found in the Book of prophecy the book of Law.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

Isaiah 29:18And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

 

[garee]

false teaching does not mean Tongues are not for today.

But also the scripture clearly states
1 Corinthians 12:30 (KJV)
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

and further

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.


So yes speak with the gift of tongues if you have it , but make sure you are loving each other as Jesus commanded

What does speaking with the gift of tongues mean . Preach the gospel? Do they have to be words a person can understand?

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

What does speaking with the gift of tongues mean . Preach the gospel? Do they have to be words a person can understand?

according to scripture. no they not undestnadable , but can be interpreted.

 

[notuptome]

according to scripture. no they not undestnadable , but can be interpreted.

How is one to interpret if they do not understand? How does one verify the interpretation is correct?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

How is one to interpret if they do not understand? How does one verify the interpretation is correct?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

All by the Holy Spirit.

PEople either believe the scriptures or they don't. there is never going to be Evidence other than Faith.

Faith is the Evidence of things hoped for .

 

[garee]

It means operating the voice gift of the Holy Spirit in a church meeting where God speaks directly to his children -
the body of Christ.
Wonderful, uplifting, edifying, reproving, but always with love.

Speaking what directly to his children? Lifting them up from what? Lack of Joy? Reproving ...falling backward?

A Unknown, mystical love? Who is the unknown? What are the attributes of this love? How did he/she spread his love abroad in the new born again hearts of 3000 souls in the twinkling of the eye? Did they make a unknow sound as a way of thanksgiving?

 

[garee]

All by the Holy Spirit.

PEople either believe the scriptures or they don't. there is never going to be Evidence other than Faith.

Faith is the Evidence of things hoped for .

Beleive scripture or people who teach what they belive the scritures are teaching?

 

[Dino246]

No one said anyone can't do it. Balaam's Ass did it. The gift is not the prophet , he as a apostle is sent with it. God is not served by the hands/will of things made .

Irrelevant. Anyone can read Scripture aloud; that is not prophesying. Balaam's donkey was not reading Scripture aloud.

Of course it has to do with my point. Different sources as well as different manners of faith bring different conclusions .

My point has nothing to do with false religions.

 

[notuptome]

All by the Holy Spirit.

PEople either believe the scriptures or they don't. there is never going to be Evidence other than Faith.

Faith is the Evidence of things hoped for .

The scriptures are able to be understood. Tongues as you said are not understandable? That sounds like having faith in the interpretor and not to scriptures.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

The scriptures are able to be understood. Tongues as you said are not understandable? That sounds like having faith in the interpretor and not to scriptures.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The scriptiures say it is done so it is done....