Biblical Polygamy?
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both converts are not true converts as they have chosen to be converts in they're own way. they are pleasing themselves still having multiple wives. & that in no way, is Christian. if said converts want to be disciples of Jesus, they will have several meetings with the pastor to hear the truth & grow in grace from there.
1 word says it all, "obedience". just yesterday, i was talking to a 90 year old woman & she said to me, "i always was a Christian, i don't believe in being born again". i mentioned to her verse John 3:5. she still said she didn't believe it. i have heard this statement hundreds of times. so i said to her, "when you were 1 day old did you say, "Jesus, i accept you as my Lord & savior"? she didn't like hearing that & said she didn't want to talk about it anymore but remained in the issue. so this woman is having her way with the Christianity & it's not what God taught. she is in disobedience.
believe on the name of Jesus Christ as your savior, become born again & continually grow in Jesus. (Romans 10:9, John 3:5 ). this is 1 of the toughest questions i have seen on CC. i do not know the proper answer. but my answer is this: "girls, i have become a born again Christian & i have decided to follow Jesus for the rest of my life. i wish for all of us to seek counseling on our relationship with Jesus & multiple pastors & do our best to learn & correct our lives. i am asking you to understand, ponder this with me so we all can move forward in obedience".
.God has an answer for each individual situation, it is our job to ask for His guidance and follow it when it comes.
However, the ridiculously complicated nature of your premise illustrates perfectly why a situation of polygyny in the home would not make for an ideal officer of the church.
A husband is called first and foremost to be the Priest of his own home. Poor dude gottanuff on his plate already!
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Yet again I will make it clear, I am presenting and argument that Christian’s can be polygynists, not that they should be polygynists. If a man with multiple wives all come to faith and some feel that they are called to stay and some that feel they are called to leave, I feel that they are both valid callings. And that no woman should be in such a relationship against her will.
Because there are such strong feelings on the subject (which are not invalid) I have chosen to go from a peripheral approach to the heart of the debate. Not all of you have taken the stance that a polygynists who comes from outside the faith and joins the church may continue his polygyny provided that his wives consent, this is the stance i take as well. Now I will ask you this, “if there is a grandfather clause for men outside the faith coming in, why is this clause not applicable to men (and consenting women) inside the faith who are not pursuing office? (Again, I do not believe this is what Titus and first Timothy says, but by your
Because there are such strong feelings on the subject (which are not invalid) I have chosen to go from a peripheral approach to the heart of the debate. Not all of you have taken the stance that a polygynists who comes from outside the faith and joins the church may continue his polygyny provided that his wives consent, this is the stance i take as well. Now I will ask you this, “if there is a grandfather clause for men outside the faith coming in, why is this clause not applicable to men (and consenting women) inside the faith who are not pursuing office? (Again, I do not believe this is what Titus and first Timothy says, but by your
1 Corinthians 7:12 - 22. I'm not sure why you're making a big deal out of it. Polygyny isn't really practiced in our culture, unless you're dealing with Mormons or Muslims who are converting. Why split hairs over a subject that likely never will come up? (Isn't this like the Pharisees who were trying to test Jesus about the woman who had 7 husbands who all died before her?)
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
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I am Achilles at the siege of Troy, you all wanted to talk about the ins and outs of marriage in the Bible not me.
I will pose another question to you, two men one in a homosexual marriage one in bigamy, both want to continue their relationships as is also their partners agree and they cite 1 Corinthians 7:20.
I would say that the homosexual “marriage” cannot ever be reconciled with scripture or the Christian lifestyle, so that is a non-starter.
But if we say that the bigamist cannot because it is equally contradictory to scripture as the homosexual relationship, how do we reconcile that God permitted a sin equal to homosexual practices within his people if only for a time?
Are all sins equal, then why are some sins given a death sentences where others are given means of restitution?
I am Achilles at the siege of Troy, you all wanted to talk about the ins and outs of marriage in the Bible not me.
I will pose another question to you, two men one in a homosexual marriage one in bigamy, both want to continue their relationships as is also their partners agree and they cite 1 Corinthians 7:20.
I would say that the homosexual “marriage” cannot ever be reconciled with scripture or the Christian lifestyle, so that is a non-starter.
But if we say that the bigamist cannot because it is equally contradictory to scripture as the homosexual relationship, how do we reconcile that God permitted a sin equal to homosexual practices within his people if only for a time?
Are all sins equal, then why are some sins given a death sentences where others are given means of restitution?
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
A man can only be one flesh with one woman not multiple wives.
This was from the beginning before Abraham was chosen.
Israel is God's chosen people but He is not going to go against His law that a man should have one wife.
But He is a forgiving and merciful God and Israel is His chosen people so He allowed it.
Jacob had 12 children by 4 women, 2 were his wife, and 2 were his wive's servants.
But God is a forgiving God and had a purpose for Israel so He blessed the children and Jacob was forgiven.
Also it was not the children's sin to be cursed which God said the son shall not bear the sins of the father, and the father shall not bear the sins of the son, but every person shall bear their own sin.
King David had Uriah put in battle so he would die so he could have his wife Bathsheba which he sinned in coveting another man's wife.
He was punished because of it and had a child by Bathsheba, Solomon, who became king and God blessed him with wisdom and riches more then any other king.
We are to have only one wife and now that God is dealing with the world it is probably more of a stricter issue and might not be forgiven like in the Old Testament when He was dealing with Israel.
That is probably why Bishops, Deacons, and Elders, clergy, are commanded to have only one wife.
And that would go for all the saints for all of the saints are to hold the same morality.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus came to bring a teaching, and salvation on the spiritual level and He taught what was from the beginning.
I do not believe having more than one wife is permitted but God had a purpose for Israel, was forgiving, and blessed the children.
He allowed it but probably was not permitted but was not a serious offense which we do not see it in the 10 commandments, or in the physical laws, and no person was stoned for it.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
A man can only be one flesh with one woman not multiple wives.
This was from the beginning before Abraham was chosen.
Israel is God's chosen people but He is not going to go against His law that a man should have one wife.
But He is a forgiving and merciful God and Israel is His chosen people so He allowed it.
Jacob had 12 children by 4 women, 2 were his wife, and 2 were his wive's servants.
But God is a forgiving God and had a purpose for Israel so He blessed the children and Jacob was forgiven.
Also it was not the children's sin to be cursed which God said the son shall not bear the sins of the father, and the father shall not bear the sins of the son, but every person shall bear their own sin.
King David had Uriah put in battle so he would die so he could have his wife Bathsheba which he sinned in coveting another man's wife.
He was punished because of it and had a child by Bathsheba, Solomon, who became king and God blessed him with wisdom and riches more then any other king.
We are to have only one wife and now that God is dealing with the world it is probably more of a stricter issue and might not be forgiven like in the Old Testament when He was dealing with Israel.
That is probably why Bishops, Deacons, and Elders, clergy, are commanded to have only one wife.
And that would go for all the saints for all of the saints are to hold the same morality.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus came to bring a teaching, and salvation on the spiritual level and He taught what was from the beginning.
I do not believe having more than one wife is permitted but God had a purpose for Israel, was forgiving, and blessed the children.
He allowed it but probably was not permitted but was not a serious offense which we do not see it in the 10 commandments, or in the physical laws, and no person was stoned for it.