Baptized more than once ?

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Well.. in acts 19...after water baptism..they receive the Holy Spirit.

So.. that's not salvation..it's a different role of the Holy Spirit.

That's a whole group receiving the Holy Spirit
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AI again.

Acts 19:3-7 recounts an encounter between the Apostle Paul and some disciples in Ephesus:

3 And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John's baptism."​
4 And Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus."​
5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.​
6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying.​
7 There were about twelve men in all.​
How I Understand This Passage

  1. John’s Baptism vs. Baptism into Christ
    These disciples had received John’s baptism, which was a baptism of repentance in preparation for the coming Messiah. However, John's baptism did not impart the Holy Spirit. It was a symbolic act of turning back to God but was not the same as being baptized into Christ.
  2. Water Baptism in Jesus' Name
    Paul makes it clear that John's baptism was incomplete because it pointed forward to Christ. So, after receiving the full gospel, they were baptized in the name of Jesus—which is often understood as Christian water baptism.
  3. Spirit Baptism & Power
    Interestingly, even after being baptized in Jesus' name, they did not receive the Holy Spirit until Paul laid hands on them. When this happened, they experienced a clear manifestation of the Spirit—speaking in tongues and prophesying.
Key Implications for Water vs. Spirit Baptism

  • Water baptism alone does not equal Spirit baptism. These men were baptized in Jesus' name, yet the Spirit did not come upon them until Paul laid hands on them.
  • Spirit baptism is essential. The defining sign of their full inclusion in Christ was the coming of the Holy Spirit, not just water baptism.
  • Faith in Jesus is what brings the Holy Spirit. The moment they truly believed in Jesus, they were eligible for the Spirit's indwelling and empowerment.
Conclusion

This passage highlights the distinction between John’s preparatory baptism, Christian water baptism, and Spirit baptism. It reinforces that water baptism alone does not grant the Holy Spirit. The true baptism that matters is being baptized into Christ by the Spirit, which brings new life, power, and love.
 
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ATSTD said:
Is this the Bible Discussion Forum? Why did I come on here?

Note to self: No Bible Discussion Forum, No News Forum.
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On some topics there is lot's of discussion but on others not so much.

Amongst many of the older churches it's water baptism and there is no further discussion.
 
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AI again.

Acts 19:3-7 recounts an encounter between the Apostle Paul and some disciples in Ephesus:

3 And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John's baptism."​
4 And Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus."​
5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.​
6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying.​
7 There were about twelve men in all.​
How I Understand This Passage

  1. John’s Baptism vs. Baptism into Christ
    These disciples had received John’s baptism, which was a baptism of repentance in preparation for the coming Messiah. However, John's baptism did not impart the Holy Spirit. It was a symbolic act of turning back to God but was not the same as being baptized into Christ.
  2. Water Baptism in Jesus' Name
    Paul makes it clear that John's baptism was incomplete because it pointed forward to Christ. So, after receiving the full gospel, they were baptized in the name of Jesus—which is often understood as Christian water baptism.
  3. Spirit Baptism & Power
    Interestingly, even after being baptized in Jesus' name, they did not receive the Holy Spirit until Paul laid hands on them. When this happened, they experienced a clear manifestation of the Spirit—speaking in tongues and prophesying.
Key Implications for Water vs. Spirit Baptism

  • Water baptism alone does not equal Spirit baptism. These men were baptized in Jesus' name, yet the Spirit did not come upon them until Paul laid hands on them.
  • Spirit baptism is essential. The defining sign of their full inclusion in Christ was the coming of the Holy Spirit, not just water baptism.
  • Faith in Jesus is what brings the Holy Spirit. The moment they truly believed in Jesus, they were eligible for the Spirit's indwelling and empowerment.
Conclusion

This passage highlights the distinction between John’s preparatory baptism, Christian water baptism, and Spirit baptism. It reinforces that water baptism alone does not grant the Holy Spirit. The true baptism that matters is being baptized into Christ by the Spirit, which brings new life, power, and love.
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Again ...I wouldn't rely on AI.

How does it get to its conclusions?
 
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Again ...I wouldn't rely on AI.

How does it get to its conclusions?
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Chat GPT can be restricted to just the N.T. in it's analysis of any topic.

The N.T. is a text and like any text; Chat GPT simply reads the literal text without bias.

Chat GPT can be used to understand any letter in the N.T.

Chat GPT is not foolproof though and one would use it to check topics only.

The letter to the Romans took two serious corrections before Chat GPT unlocked Romans.

Chat GPT will only become, more and more, powerful with each new version.

There is of course a spiritual way to understand the N.T. for which Chat GPT is useless.
 
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Chat GPT can be restricted to just the N.T. in it's analysis of any topic.

The N.T. is a text and like any text; Chat GPT simply reads the literal text without bias.

Chat GPT can be used to understand any letter in the N.T.

Chat GPT is not foolproof though and one would use it to check topics only.

The letter to the Romans took two serious corrections before Chat GPT unlocked Romans.

Chat GPT will only become, more and more, powerful with each new version.

There is of course a spiritual way to understand the N.T. for which Chat GPT is useless.
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“Everyone, he’s a bot!” Jk

God and the indwelling spirit in every born again Christian is more powerful than AI my friend.
 
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“Everyone, he’s a bot!” Jk

God and the indwelling spirit in every born again Christian is more powerful than AI my friend.
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I was only referring to the literal; the plain reading of the text.

If you wish to then apply an interpretation to the text over that plain reading, go ahead.

That is what church organizations do and so do theologians.

Traditional churches are renowned for applying an interpretation to the text.

Unfortunately, for us, we arrived late in history and rarely see through that fog of war.

You can apply a spiritual interpretation to the text; if that's what you call it.

Nevertheless, scripture only means you are anchored to the literal reading of the text.

If you do not follow scripture only, then you can generate your own version of the text.
 
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I was only referring to the literal; the plain reading of the text.

If you wish to then apply an interpretation to the text over that plain reading, go ahead.

That is what church organizations do and so do theologians.

Traditional churches are renowned for applying an interpretation to the text.

Unfortunately, for us, we arrived late in history and rarely see through that fog of war.

You can apply a spiritual interpretation to the text; if that's what you call it.

Nevertheless, scripture only means you are anchored to the literal reading of the text.

If you do not follow scripture only, then you can generate your own version of the text.
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God>idolatry
 
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Inquisitor said:
I was only referring to the literal; the plain reading of the text.

If you wish to then apply an interpretation to the text over that plain reading, go ahead.

That is what church organizations do and so do theologians.

Traditional churches are renowned for applying an interpretation to the text.

Unfortunately, for us, we arrived late in history and rarely see through that fog of war.

You can apply a spiritual interpretation to the text; if that's what you call it.

Nevertheless, scripture only means you are anchored to the literal reading of the text.

If you do not follow scripture only, then you can generate your own version of the text.
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The bible does interpret itself.. know the context and its clear.

But AI cannot replace Holy Spirit empowered believers expounding on the Word of God.

An atheist can read the Bible as is and interpret, but carries the a priori assumption supernatural cannot happen.
 
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