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Yes, deception happens when people listen to human preachers instead of the Lord God ! To be sure we have all been there for nobody was ever/or is born into truth. I was born RCC for 50 years of my life before GOD took me out of it and translated me 1000 miles away...PRAISE the LORD !!!
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The law points us to Christ. The law is like a voltmeter that detects if there's power or not. If you sin, it means you lack voltage. But the volt meter has no power of itself...it can merely detect if there's power. We need to be hooked up, as it were, to a power source in order to register voltage on the meter. So then we are given grace (power) from above. THEN we can fulfill the law.
Rom. 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (by grace)
Rom. 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (by grace)
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Trof.....scripture says Jesus did NOT abolish the law Mat 5v17.
what you are referring to in Eph 2v15 are the ''commandments contained in Ordinances/Works' (NOT the spiritual 10) and in any case....fulfilling is not abolishing. Fulfilling is to PERFECT them, keep them correctly....but it is true that what Jesus paid for on the cross no longer applies or needs to be kept Col2v14.
There are Commandments that are spiritual and eternal, the 10.....and other commandments that were temporal and carnal Heb 9v10. We must not confuse the 2 different groups.
what you are referring to in Eph 2v15 are the ''commandments contained in Ordinances/Works' (NOT the spiritual 10) and in any case....fulfilling is not abolishing. Fulfilling is to PERFECT them, keep them correctly....but it is true that what Jesus paid for on the cross no longer applies or needs to be kept Col2v14.
There are Commandments that are spiritual and eternal, the 10.....and other commandments that were temporal and carnal Heb 9v10. We must not confuse the 2 different groups.
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He abolished the law in his body. I am not sure how exactly it is not about past...
Αὐτὸς γάρ ἐστιν ἡ εἰρήνη ἡμῶν, ὁ ποιήσας τὰ ἀμφότερα ἓν καὶ τὸ μεσότοιχον τοῦ φραγμοῦ λύσας, τὴν ἔχθραν, ἐν τῇ σαρκὶ αὐτοῦ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας
As for example ESV translates:
"For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances"
Αὐτὸς γάρ ἐστιν ἡ εἰρήνη ἡμῶν, ὁ ποιήσας τὰ ἀμφότερα ἓν καὶ τὸ μεσότοιχον τοῦ φραγμοῦ λύσας, τὴν ἔχθραν, ἐν τῇ σαρκὶ αὐτοῦ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας
As for example ESV translates:
"For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances"
You are right ...to FULFILL is the correct word and means perfecting/keep perfectly.....because even those commandments that were only temporary and stood in carnal rituals/observance had an important purpose while they were so intended. They were never useless just to be scrapped or abolished. Everything with God has a reason and purpose whether eternal or just for a time.
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Jesus/Yashua fulfilled/abolished the law of ordinances/works rituals/sacrifices etc in his own body by DYING for them.....but that did NOT include the 10 holy Commandments God Himself gave to people and separated from the works etc etc Ex 20 v1-17; Deut 5(22).
When He says He did not come to abolish the law He was talking of the 10 spiritual, eternal Commandments. ( Paul was not always clear in his writings about which law he was talking about).
When He says He did not come to abolish the law He was talking of the 10 spiritual, eternal Commandments. ( Paul was not always clear in his writings about which law he was talking about).
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No. Let me make it more clear to you. I will attend a church that teaches that we are to seek to be obedient to what the Bible commands us to do, and knows and teaches how to do that through a relationship with God by the Holy Spirit.
Yes, God made the WAY of the law of Moses obsolete. He did not make the requirements of the law of Moses themselves obsolete. The 'how' has changed, not the 'what'. I will attend a church that teaches and encourages that doctrine.
23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
From the passage, this is what we meet to accomplish:
-encourage continued believing.
-consider how to spur one another on toward the obedience of love and good deeds (you know, that 'law' thing).
-encourage one another in that obedience.
-doing all these things all the more as we see the decay increase around us and the appearance of Christ approaching.
I will attend a church that does this (and more, which we may get to). I will not attend a church that exists to push their favorite hobby horse doctrine, or which exists to focus on a single gift or ministry.
Yes, God made the WAY of the law of Moses obsolete. He did not make the requirements of the law of Moses themselves obsolete. The 'how' has changed, not the 'what'. I will attend a church that teaches and encourages that doctrine.
23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
From the passage, this is what we meet to accomplish:
-encourage continued believing.
-consider how to spur one another on toward the obedience of love and good deeds (you know, that 'law' thing).
-encourage one another in that obedience.
-doing all these things all the more as we see the decay increase around us and the appearance of Christ approaching.
I will attend a church that does this (and more, which we may get to). I will not attend a church that exists to push their favorite hobby horse doctrine, or which exists to focus on a single gift or ministry.
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"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.
The old covenant has become obsolete to put into place the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the New Command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
More exhaustive list:
Matthew 2:2; 2:8; 2:11; 4:9; 4:10; 14:33; 15:9; 28:9; 28:17, Mark 7:7, Luke 4:7; 4:8; 24:52, John 4:20,21,22,23,24; 9:38; 12:20, Acts 7:43; 8:27; 16:14; 17:23; 18:7; 18:13; 19:27; 24:11, Romans 1:25; 12:1, 1 Corinthians 14:25, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 1:6; 9:1; 9:6; 10:2; 11:21, Revelation 4:10; 5:14; 7:11; 9:20; 11:1; 11:16; 14:7; 15:4; 19:4; 19:10; 22:8; 22:9
Acts 15:20,29, Romans 1:25, 1 Corinthians 6:9; Chapter 8; 10:7,14; 12:2, 2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:9, Galatians 5:20, Ephesians 5:5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Revelation 2:14, 20; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15
Matthew 12:36, Ephesians 5:4, Romans 2:24, Revelation 16:9
Matthew 15:5, Matthew 19:19, Mark 7:10; 10:19, Luke 18:20, Ephesians 6:2
Matthew 5:21; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 1:29; 13:9, James 2:11
Matthew 5:27,28,32; 19:9,18, Mark 10:11,19, Luke 16:18; 18:20, Romans 13:9, James 2:11, 2 Peter 2:14
Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 2:21; 13:9, Ephesians 4:28
Matthew 15:9; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20
Mark 7:22, Luke 12:15, Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9, Ephesians 5:3, Colossians 3:5, Hebrews 13:5, 2 Peter 2:14
I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.
Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.
The old covenant has become obsolete to put into place the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the New Command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
More exhaustive list:
Matthew 2:2; 2:8; 2:11; 4:9; 4:10; 14:33; 15:9; 28:9; 28:17, Mark 7:7, Luke 4:7; 4:8; 24:52, John 4:20,21,22,23,24; 9:38; 12:20, Acts 7:43; 8:27; 16:14; 17:23; 18:7; 18:13; 19:27; 24:11, Romans 1:25; 12:1, 1 Corinthians 14:25, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 1:6; 9:1; 9:6; 10:2; 11:21, Revelation 4:10; 5:14; 7:11; 9:20; 11:1; 11:16; 14:7; 15:4; 19:4; 19:10; 22:8; 22:9
Acts 15:20,29, Romans 1:25, 1 Corinthians 6:9; Chapter 8; 10:7,14; 12:2, 2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:9, Galatians 5:20, Ephesians 5:5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Revelation 2:14, 20; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15
Matthew 12:36, Ephesians 5:4, Romans 2:24, Revelation 16:9
Matthew 15:5, Matthew 19:19, Mark 7:10; 10:19, Luke 18:20, Ephesians 6:2
Matthew 5:21; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 1:29; 13:9, James 2:11
Matthew 5:27,28,32; 19:9,18, Mark 10:11,19, Luke 16:18; 18:20, Romans 13:9, James 2:11, 2 Peter 2:14
Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 2:21; 13:9, Ephesians 4:28
Matthew 15:9; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20
Mark 7:22, Luke 12:15, Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9, Ephesians 5:3, Colossians 3:5, Hebrews 13:5, 2 Peter 2:14
I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.
Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
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The traditional (boring and ineffective) church service is like a golden calf. We have exalted it and revere it to the point we believe that's the way it has to be and nothing is going to be allowed to change it. I agree that golden idol has to be cast down and crushed into dust and scattered to the sea and the winds.
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Sabbath or not, I won't attend a church that does not do and accomplish what it's supposed to in a meeting of the saints and is instead preoccupied with a hobby horse doctrine, a single ministry to the exclusion of all others, a particular gift, a set way of conducting it's service, or which shuts down all participation by the congregation. Not going there. I've spent way too many wasted hours trying to endure them in the name of love and cooperation and peace while I starve to death. Not doing it anymore. Period.
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