As We Observe The Seventh Day Sabbath As A Sign Between Him And Us Being Holy/Scripture

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#61
When was the last time you attended the Temple for Yom Kippur? Oh… right, there is no Temple, so you skipped it last year (and every other year) which makes you a sinner.

You CANNOT follow the Law perfectly; it’s completely impossible. However, God doesn’t intend for you to follow the Law because Jesus already fulfilled it perfectly. That covenant is set aside.
Disagree. The covenant is re- newed. Jesus fulfilled the law “perfectly” because the law is perfect. Jesus didn’t come to make you lawless because you already are lawless and Jesus says “ Away from me, you WORKERS of lawlessness”!
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
18,892
6,485
113
62
#62
Disagree. The covenant is re- newed. Jesus fulfilled the law “perfectly” because the law is perfect. Jesus didn’t come to make you lawless because you already are lawless and Jesus says “ Away from me, you WORKERS of lawlessness”!
What covenant is renewed?
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#63
We all have ancestors and we all have opportunity to be adopted or even grafted in. So yes I agree we are called lost sheep and lost gentiles of the nations and the whole world has opportunity to be of the commonwealth of Israel. there is this that comes to mind for those who refuse this gift of inclusion to the commonwealth of Israel….Revelation 11:
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#64
What covenant is renewed?
See Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31

God/YHWH divorced the house of Israel even though He had been a husband to them since the Mt Sinai Shavuot/Pentecost where all the people said”we will do all the LORD has said “

The whole Bible is the love story of the whole world, now house of Israel scattered around the whole world. Some are being WOKEN and can hear and KNOW The Great Shepherd and follow Him.

Others are blind and deaf.
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
18,892
6,485
113
62
#65
See Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31

God/YHWH divorced the house of Israel even though He had been a husband to them since the Mt Sinai Shavuot/Pentecost where all the people said”we will do all the LORD has said “

The whole Bible is the love story of the whole world, now house of Israel scattered around the whole world. Some are being WOKEN and can hear and KNOW The Great Shepherd and follow Him.

Others are blind and deaf.
Great info. I'm only interested in what covenant you believe was renewed.
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#66
We all have ancestors and we all have opportunity to be adopted or even grafted in. So yes I agree we are called lost sheep and lost gentiles of the nations and the whole world has opportunity to be of the commonwealth of Israel. It there is this that comes to mind …. Leave off counting outside of the temple area for the gentiles to trample.
yes

i still wish for one of these sabbath threads to turn into a discussion of all the amazing meaning and blessing in it, instead of the tired old 'it's required or else' vs 'are you crazy Jesus paid it all' debate over and over
I’d like to see a discussion that Jesus fulfilled the Spring Feasts perfectly and He will fulfill the Fall Feasts perfectly. But all that foolishly have done away with the Old Testament will miss the timing because of learned and listening to false teachers or willfully ignorant by refusing to accept the Old Testament. But that will only happen for a very few because the majority are stuck on man-made traditions. In Greek the word is paradosis and adding each of the Greek letters with their associated number equals 666.
 

Inquisitor

Well-known member
Mar 17, 2022
2,859
845
113
#67
Is this question motivated by love? If so, my reply must be that All Who believe Jesus Yeshua are by translation Jews, that is by translation, praisers of God.
The more proper country for us all is the Israel of God with its Capitol to be New Jerusalem, so in this sense we are all Israelites, not to be confused with the Israelis of today, nowhere near the former Israel, nor the true Israel to come.
I do not read the sripture the way you do.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

In the spiritual sense, we are a new creation in Christ, hence, the geographical divisions do not apply. So I would not refer to myself as a Jew or a Gentile.
What may I ask are you? one of the sects calling themselves Christian, or one of the Sects calling themselves Jews. My denomination is simple, what Jesus Yeshua teaches, a Child of Abraham. Abraham means Father of the peoples..s ome say nations.
I believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I do not belong to any church organization.
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#68
What covenant is renewed?
The covenant at Shavuot/Pentecost at Mt Sinai after the exodus from Egypt in 1379 BC. When the mixed multitude said We will do all the LORD has said. If you read all my previous posts you would know the reason a RENEWED COVENANT was necessary for all the world. The FIRST covenant was faultless and still is faultless and perfect. It was the people “for finding fault with them” that Jesus had to die so that the law of Divorce and Remarriage would not be broken. Jesus is the LORD. YHWH/LORD divorced the House of Israel. He gave them punishment of captivity for 390 years times 7 times more for 2730 years. These lost their true identity and forgot their True LORD/MASTER. They were taken into captivity 722/721 BC. Add 722/721 plus 2730 years and many Woke up in 2008/2009 CE. These are from the House of Israel and a few from House of Judah.

Jesus stated “He has ONLY come for the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL”.

Are you a lost sheep in need of a true Shepherd or you being misled by wolves in sheep’s clothing? And desire to cling to your man-made traditions?
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#69
I do not read the sripture the way you do.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

In the spiritual sense, we are a new creation in Christ, hence, the geographical divisions do not apply. So I would not refer to myself as a Jew or a Gentile. I believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I do not belong to any church organization.
You are on the right path with Galatians 3:28. The path does not end there. Keep searching and praying for understanding. Time is very short. The 7th millennium begins 2045. But Christ will fulfill the Fall Feasts 100% before that date. At Jesus first coming He told those hypocrites they could predict the weather but we’re clueless of His visitation. Hear the message “come out of her my people so as to not take of her plagues”.
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
18,892
6,485
113
62
#70
The covenant at Shavuot/Pentecost at Mt Sinai after the exodus from Egypt in 1379 BC. When the mixed multitude said We will do all the LORD has said. If you read all my previous posts you would know the reason a RENEWED COVENANT was necessary for all the world. The FIRST covenant was faultless and still is faultless and perfect. It was the people “for finding fault with them” that Jesus had to die so that the law of Divorce and Remarriage would not be broken. Jesus is the LORD. YHWH/LORD divorced the House of Israel. He gave them punishment of captivity for 390 years times 7 times more for 2730 years. These lost their true identity and forgot their True LORD/MASTER. They were taken into captivity 722/721 BC. Add 722/721 plus 2730 years and many Woke up in 2008/2009 CE. These are from the House of Israel and a few from House of Judah.

Jesus stated “He has ONLY come for the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL”.

Are you a lost sheep in need of a true Shepherd or you being misled by wolves in sheep’s clothing? And desire to cling to your man-made traditions?
The first covenant has been retired. There is a new covenant in His blood. You seem to be trying to put new wine in old wineskins.
I do agree that the old covenant was not flawed and it was the weakness of the flesh that necessitated a different covenant. But nothing has changed about the flesh. It remains weak and thus only a covenant of grace will work for fallen mankind.
 

Ted01

Well-known member
May 14, 2022
1,055
447
83
#72
The covenant at Shavuot/Pentecost at Mt Sinai after the exodus from Egypt in 1379 BC. When the mixed multitude said We will do all the LORD has said. If you read all my previous posts you would know the reason a RENEWED COVENANT was necessary for all the world. The FIRST covenant was faultless and still is faultless and perfect. It was the people “for finding fault with them” that Jesus had to die so that the law of Divorce and Remarriage would not be broken. Jesus is the LORD. YHWH/LORD divorced the House of Israel. He gave them punishment of captivity for 390 years times 7 times more for 2730 years. These lost their true identity and forgot their True LORD/MASTER. They were taken into captivity 722/721 BC. Add 722/721 plus 2730 years and many Woke up in 2008/2009 CE. These are from the House of Israel and a few from House of Judah.

Jesus stated “He has ONLY come for the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL”.

Are you a lost sheep in need of a true Shepherd or you being misled by wolves in sheep’s clothing? And desire to cling to your man-made traditions?
Scripture says that you are wrong!!

Heb. 8:6-7
6But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#73
Scripture says that you are wrong!!

Heb. 8:6-7
6But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
Consider this:

When was the Holy Spirit given?

Pentecost 31AD

When was the first covenant at Mt Sinai given?

Shavuot/Pentecost 3937BC

Do you know God’s calendar and His commandments on how to calculate when each is His Feasts are of Leviticus 23? Most Jews know, in part with much man-made traditions ADDED, which caused them to misunderstand Jesus and His timing. Karaite Jews take the Word literally and do not add or diminish from it.

Learn the LORD’s FEAST DAYS. Learn that the LORD/YHWH is Jesus and Jesus was sent as Immanuel “God with us”. Learn that neither change. Learn that it is a sin to add or diminish from the Old Testament. Jesus did not, would not and cannot abolish. Do away with or change the Word, the Feasts, and the commandments.

PERIOD. If you are interpreting any scripture or New Testament writings that contradicts these FACTS then the fault is with you disobeying the plain text. I’m not pointing a finger at anyone person for we all fall short and yes we need grace and Jesus salvation.
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#74
Understanding of Daniel’s 70 weeks and understanding Gen 6:3 and understanding Lev 25. Then research verified by historical events. I’m on my cell phone so not able to grab links. Many of my previous post have links. My avatar is quote from Psalms 90:12
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#75
The first covenant has been retired. There is a new covenant in His blood. You seem to be trying to put new wine in old wineskins.
I do agree that the old covenant was not flawed and it was the weakness of the flesh that necessitated a different covenant. But nothing has changed about the flesh. It remains weak and thus only a covenant of grace will work for fallen mankind.
Grace is not new.
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#76
March 11, 2020, W.H.O declares a worldwide pandemic!

The following week the whole world went into lockdown.

• 2020 was the Midst of the Week as Daniel predicted.

• You Can Understand all of this by understanding the Jubilee Cycles

• We Wrote this Book in 2013 explaining all of today’s events in 2013.

• Do you want to know what is coming next?

• Do you want to meet The Messiah in the clouds when He comes?

• Do you want to know when and where the Two Witnesses will appear?

The NIGHTLY NEWS is reporting the following events NOW!

• Worldwide pandemic

• Various variants and who knows what’s next? Bubonic plague???

WW III – The Russia and Ukraine war will spill over to NATO

• Extreme weather around the world

• Apocalyptic Floods

• Apocalyptic Wildfires

• Apocalyptic Droughts

• Apocalyptic Famines

• Apocalyptic Locusts Plagues

• F5 Hurricanes

• F5 Typhoons

• F5 Tornadoes

• Volcanoes erupting

You see all of these things on the Nightly News NOW!

DO YOU THINK WE ARE CLOSE?

You Know We Are!

DO YOU WANT TO BE READY?

In the parable of the 10 virgins, 5 of them were LEFT BEHIND!

HE SAID HE NEVER KNEW THEM!

They thought they were ready!

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 70TH JUBILEE CYCLE – IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 120TH JUBILEE CYCLE, WOULD BE WAR, FAMINE AND PLAGUE!

YOU KNOW WE ARE CLOSE, NOW YOU CAN KNOW JUST HOW CLOSE!

If you don’t know then you need to get this e-book TODAY!

Did you know that the Jubilee Cycles show you how you can know?

The 2300 Days of Hell is going to show you using the Jubilee Cycles how you can understand the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy which was sealed until the time of the end.

That TIME IS NOW!

What do the following statements mean?

“As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the last days”

“As it was in the days of Lot so shall it be in the last days”

This is only explained when you understand the Jubilee Cycles!

No Longer will you have the pain of yet another let down from yet another theory.

No longer will you be guessing exactly when the Rapture is to happen.

You WILL know!

You WILL ABSOLUTELY KNOW!!

The Bible speaks about a SECOND EXODUS that is going to be so GREAT that the first Exodus will be forgotten. The GREATEST DAYS IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND are happening right now!

AND YOU GET TO BE A PART OF IT IF YOU ARE READY!

ARE YOU READY NOW?
 

Ted01

Well-known member
May 14, 2022
1,055
447
83
#77
Consider this:

When was the Holy Spirit given?

Pentecost 31AD

When was the first covenant at Mt Sinai given?

Shavuot/Pentecost 3937BC

Do you know God’s calendar and His commandments on how to calculate when each is His Feasts are of Leviticus 23? Most Jews know, in part with much man-made traditions ADDED, which caused them to misunderstand Jesus and His timing. Karaite Jews take the Word literally and do not add or diminish from it.

Learn the LORD’s FEAST DAYS. Learn that the LORD/YHWH is Jesus and Jesus was sent as Immanuel “God with us”. Learn that neither change. Learn that it is a sin to add or diminish from the Old Testament. Jesus did not, would not and cannot abolish. Do away with or change the Word, the Feasts, and the commandments.

PERIOD. If you are interpreting any scripture or New Testament writings that contradicts these FACTS then the fault is with you disobeying the plain text. I’m not pointing a finger at anyone person for we all fall short and yes we need grace and Jesus salvation.
I get that you enjoy having knowledge, above my own, about Feast days, the Jewish calendar, and many nuances of Hebrew history. I think that's great, I really do.

But the FACT is, that your earlier post (and some others I've read) contradicts Scripture. You say that the Old Covenant was faultless, but Scripture... God's Word... says that it DID have fault(s).

I don't need to know all those other wonderful facts that you know... the verses are clear and the only fact that I require in this instance.

So, what do you say in light of Hebrews 8:6-7? You said that the Old Covenant was faultless, but God's Word says that it did have fault(s)?
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,366
13,728
113
#78
Disagree. The covenant is re- newed. Jesus fulfilled the law “perfectly” because the law is perfect.
The old (Sinai) covenant is set aside. That is crystal clear from Hebrews 8:6-13.

Jesus didn’t come to make you lawless because you already are lawless and Jesus says “ Away from me, you WORKERS of lawlessness”!
Huh? That doesn’t make any sense. Of course Jesus didn’t come to make us lawless. He came to fulfill the righteous requirements of the law. In Christ, we died to the law.
 

Grace911

Active member
Nov 11, 2018
595
148
43
#80
I get that you enjoy having knowledge, above my own, about Feast days, the Jewish calendar, and many nuances of Hebrew history. I think that's great, I really do.

But the FACT is, that your earlier post (and some others I've read) contradicts Scripture. You say that the Old Covenant was faultless, but Scripture... God's Word... says that it DID have fault(s).

I don't need to know all those other wonderful facts that you know... the verses are clear and the only fact that I require in this instance.

So, what do you say in light of Hebrews 8:6-7? You said that the Old Covenant was faultless, but God's Word says that it did have fault(s)?
Don’t stp at verse 7

Hebrews 8:8. But God found fault with the people and said
The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.