As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

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Truth7t7

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Besides just Genesis 6, Jude, and 2 Peter, all canonical scriptures, not forgeries like book of Enoch, or more lurid heresies, I'd also note there to be the connections of Jude and Peter's confirmation of the first round of fallen angels to Sodom and Gomorrah as means to describe the future end of the world. Sodom and Gomorrah is interesting on many levels for Peter and Jude to recall along with the wickedness of the angels and the Flood. In a sort of a parallel example the good angels which love God in the guise of men meet with Lot. The depraved men of the city of Sodom attempt to rape the angels and hurt meek and honorable Lot only to be blinded and utterly overthrown in a very famous episode of the Bible. Lot of course survives by the Word of God (JESUS) to Abraham in the chapter previous.

Genesis 19:1-29
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;


2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.

14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the Lord will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:

19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

20 Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;

25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the Lord:

28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
More opinion not supported by scripture

"First Round Of Fallen Angel's To Sodom And Gomorrah"

Not one scripture supports your claim of different events and Angel's in Peter or Jude, they are the same group of Angel's (devils) waiting judgement

Same Angels seen below, waiting for the last day judgement

You attempt at creating two different groups of Angel's has failed.

2 Peter 2:4KJV
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6KJV
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
 
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More opinion not supported by scripture

"First Round Of Fallen Angel's To Sodom And Gomorrah"

Not one scripture supports your claim of different events and Angel's in Peter or Jude, they are the same group of Angel's (devils) waiting judgement

Same Angels seen below, waiting for the last day judgement

You attempt at creating two different groups of Angel's has failed.

2 Peter 2:4KJV
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6KJV
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
No, those are indeed the references to the first fall of the angels, which occuredi n Genesis 6 before the Flood, before our time.

This is the second fall of the angels, prophesied for the future when that ancient red dragon whose names are Satan and Devil, seduces them to make war in heaven, be defeated, thrown down to the earth to the rejoicing of heaven but great woe to the inhabitants of the earth and sea for his wrath because that old dragon, the same from the garden, first Liar, cursed with Enmity, he will know on that day that his worthless life is short.

Revelation 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
 

Truth7t7

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No, those are indeed the references to the first fall of the angels, which occuredi n Genesis 6 before the Flood, before our time.

This is the second fall of the angels, prophesied for the future when that ancient red dragon whose names are Satan and Devil, seduces them to make war in heaven, be defeated, thrown down to the earth to the rejoicing of heaven but great woe to the inhabitants of the earth and sea for his wrath because that old dragon, the same from the garden, first Liar, cursed with Enmity, he will know on that day that his worthless life is short.

Revelation 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
There's no fall of any Angel's seen below, let alone the word Angel, none!

As you have been shown several times

We gonna pretend like Angel's are seen, Real Big Smiles!:giggle:

The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women

Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.

Look There, Elimelech's Sons Took Human Wives Toooo :giggle:

Ruth 1:3-4KJV
3 And Elimelech Naomi's husband died; and she was left, and her two sons.
4 And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
 
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There's no fall of any Angel's seen below, let alone the word Angel, none!

As you have been shown several times

We gonna pretend like Angel's are seen, Real Big Smiles!:giggle:

The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women

Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.

Look There, Elimelech's Sons Took Human Wives Toooo :giggle:

Ruth 1:3-4KJV
3 And Elimelech Naomi's husband died; and she was left, and her two sons.
4 And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
I guess then you'll never understand what this means.

1 Corinthians 11:10
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
 
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Nice picture of you preaching, bro! Looks like whatever you was preaching about, you must have ruffled quite a few giant sex-machine angel wings :ROFL:
I was preaching on Ex 34:6 The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty;

I have often thought about preaching on Gen 4 - 6. When I do, I doubt that I will mention the false interpretation about angels at all. I would probably simply preach it from the context as I have presented it hear without mentioning other theories at all. I think that even mentioning the other theories would distract from the real message that God would have me preach which is about separation from the wicked and dedication to faith in a coming redeemer and the dire consequences of compromise with the world. A Truth Stream that continues throughout the bible and into all of the books of the New Testament.
I might even call it "The Last of the God Walkers" because I think that it is not for nothing that it mentions walking with God three times. Adam, Enoch and Noah. What did it mean for Enoch and Noah to "Walk with God?" That is so much better to speculate on than giant angel/human babies don't you think?
 
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There are certainly Rephidim, Anakim, and other giants among the Amorites and famously the Phillistine Goliath and his brothers, and other monsters described in the Bible. This indicates a class of giants separate from the fallen angel born Nephilim whom were all wiped out by the Flood (and those wicked first angels bound in chains of darkness until the final days) that is so popular another Topic, but frankly a moot topic since both the fallen angels were bound under the earth and can do nothing and their monstrosity children were destroyed by the hand of God. There were giants after the flood and within regular races such as the accounted for Amorites (Og king of Bashan notably in the Torah as Israel begins to inherit their land) and Phillistines (whom are descendants of Mizraim and a branch of the Egyptians) and all of them were part of the pagan cultures. Giants and such abominations are universally villains to be wiped out in the Bible from the heroics of Caleb son of Jephunneh to King David
So, what’s stopping the wicked angels running around free today from having sex with women? Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Madonna would be first in line, judging by their fascination with demonic occultism and tendencies toward sexual deviancy, right or wrong?
 
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No. Unless you want to count blood transfusions as cannibalism also ;)
I would, similar to organ donations, I guess. However, blood transfusions are consensual and don't require the death of the host, so probably are in a different category morally.
 

Magenta

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Silliness on steroids!

SCRIBE- "They that called upon the name of the Lord were calling themselves by the name of the Lord"

This is a flat out falsehood. Scholars are not sure what this phrase means. Some believe it to have a NEGATIVE connotation. That the translation should be men began to PROFANE the name of the Lord. But no one is certain. Since God gave them 120 yrs since that point to repent, it seems likely it means PROFANE.
What a silly post, saying it is believed that calling on the Name of the Lord means to profane Him. Ridiculous! :giggle::rolleyes::giggle:
 

Magenta

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In fact, that's about the most shoddy and shady and misleadingly poor hermeneutics as I have ever seen!

Now we are to believe those who who profane His Name shall be saved? LOL.

Give me a break, and get some proper hermeneutics into you!

Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."

Properly dividing the Word, we know that Seth's godly line was saved through Noah :)
 
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Properly dividing the Word, we know that Seth's godly line was saved through Noah :)
Which Seth is the great great Grandson of Enoch, the Righteous man, whom God took without him physically dying.
 

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Beyond stupid and desperate willful ignorance to try and say the "sons of God" are Seth's Children. There is not a shred of Biblical proof to support that. They willfully ignore that there were no human "sons of God" before Jesus' death and resurrection. That Seth was made in ADAM'S fallen spiritual image, NOT God's. That is the EXACT reason Jesus had to come and die and be resurrected so we COULD become born again "sons of God" , a DIRECT creation of the Lord Himself.

Those that have this childish vision of what they think Angels are, HATE the VOLUMES of proof that some of the fallen angels are the sons of God in Genesis 6.

They have ZERO answer as to why the ONLY other place in the Bible the term "sons of God" Bene Elohim, is used is in Job, speaking absolutely about ANGELS.

They CAN'T answer why Jude and Peter say they are in chains in Tartarus right now. Jude specifically telling us that their sin was sexual in nature.

Jude also specifically tells us they abandoned their Heavenly bodies in order to perform these acts.

They have zero answer for that.

They have ZERO answer about the giants (nephilim) all through the old testament.

They have ZERO answer as to why God several times told Israel to murder babies and young Children, like here:


1 Samuel 15:3

New King James Version
INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD HIMSELF!!!

3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, INFANT AND NURSING CHILD, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

Yet with certain other people groups God says it's ok to save the women and children.

The evidence goes on and on..


ALL they are left with is slander, bitterness, and attacks on those that say what Scripture says.

Truly pathetic they are.
 

Magenta

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ALL they are left with is slander, bitterness, and attacks on those that say what Scripture says.

Truly pathetic they are.
Hypocrite. Grab a mirror, why dontcha???

Take a good look at yourself... and your lies.
 

PennEd

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THEY HAVE NO ANSWER! JUST ATTACKS.

Beyond stupid and desperate willful ignorance to try and say the "sons of God" are Seth's Children. There is not a shred of Biblical proof to support that. They willfully ignore that there were no human "sons of God" before Jesus' death and resurrection. That Seth was made in ADAM'S fallen spiritual image, NOT God's. That is the EXACT reason Jesus had to come and die and be resurrected so we COULD become born again "sons of God" , a DIRECT creation of the Lord Himself.

Those that have this childish vision of what they think Angels are, HATE the VOLUMES of proof that some of the fallen angels are the sons of God in Genesis 6.

They have ZERO answer as to why the ONLY other place in the Bible the term "sons of God" Bene Elohim, is used is in Job, speaking absolutely about ANGELS.

They CAN'T answer why Jude and Peter say they are in chains in Tartarus right now. Jude specifically telling us that their sin was sexual in nature.

Jude also specifically tells us they abandoned their Heavenly bodies in order to perform these acts.

They have zero answer for that.

They have ZERO answer about the giants (nephilim) all through the old testament.

They have ZERO answer as to why God several times told Israel to murder babies and young Children, like here:


1 Samuel 15:3

New King James Version
INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD HIMSELF!!!

3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, INFANT AND NURSING CHILD, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

Yet with certain other people groups God says it's ok to save the women and children.

The evidence goes on and on..


ALL they are left with is slander, bitterness, and attacks on those that say what Scripture says.

Truly pathetic they are.
 

Magenta

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ALL they are left with is slander, bitterness, and attacks on those that say what Scripture says.

Truly pathetic they are.
Hypocrite.

You may overlook the Biblical verses we give to support our position or pretend they are irrelevant but that does not mean they do not exist or that we do not supply them despite your repeated lies to the contrary.
 

PennEd

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Simply childish name calling, to go along with the ignorant, childish vision of what Angels are.

THEY HAVE NO ANSWER! JUST ATTACKS.

Beyond stupid and desperate willful ignorance to try and say the "sons of God" are Seth's Children. There is not a shred of Biblical proof to support that. They willfully ignore that there were no human "sons of God" before Jesus' death and resurrection. That Seth was made in ADAM'S fallen spiritual image, NOT God's. That is the EXACT reason Jesus had to come and die and be resurrected so we COULD become born again "sons of God" , a DIRECT creation of the Lord Himself.

Those that have this childish vision of what they think Angels are, HATE the VOLUMES of proof that some of the fallen angels are the sons of God in Genesis 6.

They have ZERO answer as to why the ONLY other place in the Bible the term "sons of God" Bene Elohim, is used is in Job, speaking absolutely about ANGELS.

They CAN'T answer why Jude and Peter say they are in chains in Tartarus right now. Jude specifically telling us that their sin was sexual in nature.

Jude also specifically tells us they abandoned their Heavenly bodies in order to perform these acts.

They have zero answer for that.

They have ZERO answer about the giants (nephilim) all through the old testament.

They have ZERO answer as to why God several times told Israel to murder babies and young Children, like here:


1 Samuel 15:3

New King James Version
INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD HIMSELF!!!

3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, INFANT AND NURSING CHILD, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

Yet with certain other people groups God says it's ok to save the women and children.

The evidence goes on and on..


ALL they are left with is slander, bitterness, and attacks on those that say what Scripture says.

Truly pathetic they are.
 

PennEd

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Hypocrite.

You may overlook the Biblical verses we give to support our position or pretend they are irrelevant but that does not mean they do not exist or that we do not supply them despite your repeated lies to the contrary.
Time to put the children on ignore. Then they can rant and believe whatever fairy tales they've dreamed up in their non Biblical heads buh bye!
 

Magenta

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ALL they are left with is slander, bitterness, and attacks on those that say what Scripture says.

Truly pathetic they are.
Perhaps consulting a dictionary for the definition of "denial" would help you.

Then again, probably not, since your hypocritical denial is so great :geek::giggle:

I used to think you were a nice guy, Ed.

I no longer suffer under that mistake. You taught me differently ;)